AGP version of X1800 and 7800 planned?

[JPRacer]

I curently have an AthlonXP 3200+ and an ATI 9800Pro and want to upgrade to an Athlon64 and new video card.

The problem is I don't have enough cash to upgrade both the MB/CPU and video card.

I have a good deal for an ATI X800XL AGP for 300CAD$. I was planning buying the card and upgrade to a nForce3 MB later. But I'm sure the X800XL will have some problem running Unreal Engine 3 and was wondering if any of you know if ATI or nVidia will release AGP version of their X1800 and 7800 video cards. I don't want to change my MB in 6 months.

I know that I can get the ASRock MB with AGP and PCI-E but I want a good reliable MB and I don't trust this board.

Also, if I want to overclock, is the A64 3000+ better or worse than the 3200+? Will I see a huge difference between a Barton 3200+ and an A64 3200+ at stock speed?

Thank you.

 

[kyparrish]

As of yet, I don't think they've planned to (either company).

If you've got an AXP 2.2ghz, and a 9800pro, I would save your money and wait till you can get a 939 board, with an A64 3000+ Venice, and a PCI express video card. With your current rig, you can still play all games, just at a little lower resolution.

Other members will chip in their thoughts here too. Welcome to AT! Hope you stick around!

 

[Pabster]

Go for the video upgrade if you are a serious gamer.

AthlonXP 3200+ is still plenty of horsepower.

 

[videoclone]

I think AGP will die with the X800XT PE as being the fastest AGP card.

The Rason !! Well people who buy the high priced X1800XT and 7800GTX cards generaly also have the cash to buy PCI-E Motherboards to go with them.

ATI and Nvidia may release there midrange cards on AGP but these wont be as fast as 6800Ultra or X800XT cards so at the end of the day people are going to be forced to make the move if they want the best. !! But with the price of motherboards these days its very easy to make the move of to PCI-E and still keep your CPU.

Ive seen some AMD 754 Nforce4 motherboards with PCI-E

 

[Hacp]

Well, at least one 7 series AGP card or x18 series AGP card would be good for the agp market. Keep it viable for one more generation before fully killing it next generation. There are still nforce 3 ultra mobos out there, and people might not want to spend the extra 100 bucks on a whole new mobo when they buy their video card.

 

[videoclone]

A Athlon 64 3200+ 939 System with 1GB Dual channel DDR400 will be twice .. YES thats right Twice as fast with games then a Athlon XP 3200+ ( My Jaw droped )

My friend upgraded to this and is still using his Geforce4 Ti4200 and he is now playing all the games that ran like slideshows at 40-75 FPS

HL-2 CS-Sourse DoD-Source Warhammer Winter assault , Doom 3 so on ?. F.E.A.R even runs GREAT !!! Looks good too.

The jump in performance in games is unbelievable .. and that?s just from a CPU upgrade With a Ti4200 128Mb card ?

If you want those games to run like silk go out now and grab a A64 3200+ 939 and a AGP Motherboard. If you can get that Asrock one with Both PCI-E and AGP then that will set you up for the future Video card upgrade.

Anandtech gave that motherboard an awesome review with no stability issues it was very solid.

Good luck ? Hope this helps.

 

[Auric]

Ya never know... maybe it will just take one company to blink and then they will both be made available. Or one of the board makers (particularly Sapphire) will fill the niche with a custom design. But I wouldn't count on it.

$300 CAD isn't really a deal but just common retail at this point. Without new high-end AGP's I would not expect the prices to plummet though. However the 9800 will continue to lose value so upgrading to the XL now (and selling the 9800) may allow you to enjoy games more even if only for the shorter term as you continue to save for a new MB/CPU (maybe even M2, DDR2 & PCIe 1.1 or whatever).

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: videoclone
I think AGP will die with the X800XT PE as being the fastest AGP card.

The Rason !! Well people who buy the high priced X1800XT and 7800GTX cards generaly also have the cash to buy PCI-E Motherboards to go with them.

Actually, there's an X850XT PE for AGP also - that's the fastest AGP card .

To the original poster: if you're a gamer, an X800XL is a good upgrade for you.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: videoclone
A Athlon 64 3200+ 939 System with 1GB Dual channel DDR400 will be twice .. YES thats right Twice as fast with games then a Athlon XP 3200+ ( My Jaw droped )

My friend upgraded to this and is still using his Geforce4 Ti4200 and he is now playing all the games that ran like slideshows at 40-75 FPS

HL-2 CS-Sourse DoD-Source Warhammer Winter assault , Doom 3 so on ?. F.E.A.R even runs GREAT !!! Looks good too.

The jump in performance in games is unbelievable .. and that?s just from a CPU upgrade With a Ti4200 128Mb card ?

If you want those games to run like silk go out now and grab a A64 3200+ 939 and a AGP Motherboard. If you can get that Asrock one with Both PCI-E and AGP then that will set you up for the future Video card upgrade.

Anandtech gave that motherboard an awesome review with no stability issues it was very solid.

Good luck ? Hope this helps.

i call shens on that, perhaps in one game at agonisingly low res that MIGHT be true, but generally i'd say a ti4200 would be the bottleneck at any res over 1024 and decent graphics settings in new games...

For instance, i get very solid and playable frame rates in FEAR with my 6600GT (570/1.145)/2.1GHz AXp, 1 GB single channel RAM, ASUS A7V8X, SBLive! 24-bit rig...i'd like to do a comparison with someone packing a 6600GT and s939 rig...

 

[CP5670]

I went from an AXP to a 939 A64 at the beginning of the year, with the same clockspeeds (2.2ghz), memory and video card (6800 GT) on both setups. Some older games as well as UT2004 received considerable boosts, but framerates in most newer games really didn't change much at all. To be honest, I think the CPU limitation thing is way exaggerated.

 

[tuteja1986]

ammm , ATI Had plans but after all delay and crap. that plan was sweapt under the carpet. But if ATI or Nvidia release a G70 or R520 in AGP , i think they would be making crap loads.

 

[rise]

i agree with tuteja. i thought there was a chance pre-delays but now that the ati mobos are starting to materialize its in both companies interest to just move forward.

 

[Dainas]

If you can find a used X850Xt pe for about $400 CAN get it and forget the cpu. Granted you have decent mobo the 3200xp is not underpowered like alot of people would have you belive, give them good ram and a mobo and they can fly. My old system (3200xp @3400mhz 220fsb 1gig ddr500 @220/2.0 and x850xt pe) did around 4100CPU and 6100 in 3Dmark05. I'd rather go for a 64 system but its kinda iffy as to wether its worth it if your stuck with an agp mobo, because all hints devulged say its pretty much PCIe for high end video here on out.

(cat knocked over my monitor and cause my video card to gouge out my old mobo so no I'm not a whim upgrader)

 

[TheoPetro]

Originally posted by: Dainas
If you can find a used X850Xt pe for about $400 CAN get it and forget the cpu. Granted you have decent mobo the 3200xp is not underpowered like alot of people would have you belive, give them good ram and a mobo and they can fly. My old system (3200xp @3400mhz 220fsb 1gig ddr500 @220/2.0 and x850xt pe) did around 4100CPU and 6100 in 3Dmark05. I'd rather go for a 64 system but its kinda iffy as to wether its worth it if your stuck with an agp mobo, because all hints devulged say its pretty much PCIe for high end video here on out.

(cat knocked over my monitor and cause my video card to gouge out my old mobo so no I'm not a whim upgrader)

hehe howd that one happen? did you launch your cat at it or something?

 

[rancherlee]

I wouldn't hold youir breath for a 1800x or G70 AGP card, which Is why I just picked up a X800XT AIW AGP for my AXP system.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: videoclone
A Athlon 64 3200+ 939 System with 1GB Dual channel DDR400 will be twice .. YES thats right Twice as fast with games then a Athlon XP 3200+ ( My Jaw droped )

My friend upgraded to this and is still using his Geforce4 Ti4200 and he is now playing all the games that ran like slideshows at 40-75 FPS

HL-2 CS-Sourse DoD-Source Warhammer Winter assault , Doom 3 so on ?. F.E.A.R even runs GREAT !!! Looks good too.

The jump in performance in games is unbelievable .. and that?s just from a CPU upgrade With a Ti4200 128Mb card ?

If you want those games to run like silk go out now and grab a A64 3200+ 939 and a AGP Motherboard. If you can get that Asrock one with Both PCI-E and AGP then that will set you up for the future Video card upgrade.

Anandtech gave that motherboard an awesome review with no stability issues it was very solid.

Good luck ? Hope this helps.

i call shens on that, perhaps in one game at agonisingly low res that MIGHT be true, but generally i'd say a ti4200 would be the bottleneck at any res over 1024 and decent graphics settings in new games...

For instance, i get very solid and playable frame rates in FEAR with my 6600GT (570/1.145)/2.1GHz AXp, 1 GB single channel RAM, ASUS A7V8X, SBLive! 24-bit rig...i'd like to do a comparison with someone packing a 6600GT and s939 rig...

For once, I agree with dug777... This is BS... I've owned a Ti4200 before, and I know what it can do... Why did all the review sites run FEAR below 1600x1200 for X1800XT vs 7800GTX benchmarks with an FX-57 when you could play it "GREAT" with a 4-year old Ti4200 and a <$200 A64 3200+...?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: videoclone
A Athlon 64 3200+ 939 System with 1GB Dual channel DDR400 will be twice .. YES thats right Twice as fast with games then a Athlon XP 3200+ ( My Jaw droped )

My friend upgraded to this and is still using his Geforce4 Ti4200 and he is now playing all the games that ran like slideshows at 40-75 FPS

HL-2 CS-Sourse DoD-Source Warhammer Winter assault , Doom 3 so on ?. F.E.A.R even runs GREAT !!! Looks good too.

The jump in performance in games is unbelievable .. and that?s just from a CPU upgrade With a Ti4200 128Mb card ?

If you want those games to run like silk go out now and grab a A64 3200+ 939 and a AGP Motherboard. If you can get that Asrock one with Both PCI-E and AGP then that will set you up for the future Video card upgrade.

Anandtech gave that motherboard an awesome review with no stability issues it was very solid.

Good luck ? Hope this helps.

i call shens on that, perhaps in one game at agonisingly low res that MIGHT be true, but generally i'd say a ti4200 would be the bottleneck at any res over 1024 and decent graphics settings in new games...

For instance, i get very solid and playable frame rates in FEAR with my 6600GT (570/1.145)/2.1GHz AXp, 1 GB single channel RAM, ASUS A7V8X, SBLive! 24-bit rig...i'd like to do a comparison with someone packing a 6600GT and s939 rig...

I was very surprised about a year ago when Toms did a comparison of A64 vs AXP chips for gaming. Even the lowly S754 semprons took the AXP 3200+ to task.

The on die memory controller makes a huge difference in games.

 

[apoppin]

i still think ati will make a top AGP card . . . if not you have the x800xtPE as the fastest AGP card - about twice as fast as your 9800p . . . then there are the x1600xt which *might* turn out to be great o/c'ers [when they are on the "new" core], will be on AGP, and may be even faster.

IF ATI or nVidia feel there is money to be made, then they will release a fast AGP card . . . right now they are MAXimixing their profits from the PCIe guys and sli/x-fire . . .

there's still hope
:thumbsup:

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: apoppin
. . . then there are the x1600xt which *might* turn out to be great o/c'ers [when they are on the "new" core], will be on AGP, and may be even faster.

Do you mean an RV refresh like RV590? 'cause the announced 1600 does not seem favourable compared to the mid to high-end X800 on price/performance.

 

[Ronin]

Ah, the thread that wouldn't exist if the OP had used the search function.

I'm not getting into this mess again. It's not worth the time.

 

[TomKazansky]

fricken newb; USE THE SEARCH BUTTON

now newb, say it with me:

"ati and nvidia will drop agp completely with their new gen"
"search before i post"

 

[alimoalem]

save the money til u can get a full 939 system. the small upgrades won't be worth it in the long run

 

[PzyMazter]

I bought an X850XTPE because I didn't think there would be. If I'm wrong I'll shoot myself, but oh well. One last leg out of my A64 AGP mobo (S754 Clawhammer 3200+, 2.0ghz, so its not a bottleneck yet)

 

[JPRacer]

Hey, I'm sorry if I didn't use the search function, usually I never find what I'm looking for.

Thanks all for your inputs. Now I seriously lean toward a Xbox 360, I'm sick of upgrading. I'll wait a little and see, and I still can play all the games I want on my PC. But the 360 seems a better deal performace/price wise.

Again thank you for your inputs, if I upgrade I'll wait to have all the cash and go with a PCI-E MB and new video crad.

 

[ZobarStyl]

Jeez, I even have an AGP mobo, and I still want AGP to die out as quickly as possible. Quit trying to hold back the transition with your "Just one more gen, please!" begging. It's not worth minor returns on a few high end sales to keep AGP around another gen; that means more bridge chips and more overall cost than just moving to a single platform.