Maybe with some sorta update, no im not going to get a PCI video card, im getting the Voodoo3 3000 AGP and while i have win 98 now if i have to reformat (probally very soon) i only have the Win95 CD.
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win95 OSR2 with usb supplement will do it. which you can get at microsoft
But you probably don't need to worry about it. There really isn't any performance improvement just moving to AGP from PCI will give you about 10% though
win95 OSR2 with usb supplement will do it. which you can get at microsoft
But you probably don't need to worry about it. There really isn't any performance improvement just moving to AGP from PCI will give you about 10% though
You can do it. Especially with the Voodoo 3/Banshee series, since they don't use true AGP addressing. You'll need the USB supplement to Windows '95, which can be found on the 'net if nobody here has it. usbsupp.exe is the name, & it enables USB & AGP support for OSR2. After that, install your AGP GART drivers that your motherboard manufacturer provided (may not be necessary for an Intel chipset, though I don't know for sure...). Then install the Voodoo3 drivers, & re-install the GART drivers. I ran an AGP Banshee on Windows 95 for a long, long time. It's a pain in the ass to set up the first time, but once you get the hang of it it's easy.
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What is the point of getting a voodoo3 3000 if you only have a P133? You couldnt play any of the games anyway.
I had major problems with GeForce 256 + LX mobo + Win 95.
It wasn't to 98 that everything was OK, although this coincided with a new mobo, so I do not know which one cured it.
It wasn't to 98 that everything was OK, although this coincided with a new mobo, so I do not know which one cured it.
That's what I was thinking Piku. I have a P200MMX overclocked to 225 in another room and it barely uses half of the framerate capability of the Voodoo3 2000 PCI that is on it. Using the WickedGL drivers I can get playable framerates in Counterstrike at 640x480 and 512x384. Actually, I even needed to put a PCI sound card in it to help framerates too. I don't even want to think about what would happen if I put my P133 in it. Well, at least 2D would be better and the desktop could go to higher resolutions with a V3 over his current ATI.
Don't worry I got it all worked out. See I got a P2 350 from my friend (not great, but a whole lot better than what I got now 
) and 160 MB of RAM. So as soon as I get a new mobo ( Tyan Trinity 400 ) and a new case which will hopefully be tommorow, I'm gonna buy the Voodoo3 soon after if not tommorow.
Now, what is this OSR2 thing? Is that some sorta uprade to Win95? And what's this USB supplement does that come with this Win95 uprade or whatever, this looks these could be a big mess.
) and 160 MB of RAM. So as soon as I get a new mobo ( Tyan Trinity 400 ) and a new case which will hopefully be tommorow, I'm gonna buy the Voodoo3 soon after if not tommorow. Now, what is this OSR2 thing? Is that some sorta uprade to Win95? And what's this USB supplement does that come with this Win95 uprade or whatever, this looks these could be a big mess.
This is an interesting subject for me !
I am getting a new Socket A board, and I already have the Matrox G400 AGP card (only $108).
But, I only own Windows 95a.
As I previously mentioned, I want to go directly to Windows ME and some helpful Anandtech members described a way I could do that. (I don't want to buy OSR2.1 or 98SE for only a couple of months of use.)
BUT, does this mean that I can't use the G400 at all until I get some OS more recent than Windows 95a?
I am getting a new Socket A board, and I already have the Matrox G400 AGP card (only $108).
But, I only own Windows 95a.
As I previously mentioned, I want to go directly to Windows ME and some helpful Anandtech members described a way I could do that. (I don't want to buy OSR2.1 or 98SE for only a couple of months of use.)
BUT, does this mean that I can't use the G400 at all until I get some OS more recent than Windows 95a?
OSR2
Operating System Release 2 or Windows 95 B version
I kinda consider the Windows B with usb sup "it has it labeled right on the win95 CD if its got it" like win95 B+
But like I said you aren't going to need it, really.
Operating System Release 2 or Windows 95 B version
I kinda consider the Windows B with usb sup "it has it labeled right on the win95 CD if its got it" like win95 B+
But like I said you aren't going to need it, really.
speg, hurry up & get your voodoo 3 now. 3dfx has a $30 rebate going on since sunday. I'm not sure when it ends -- possibly this saturday.
Translation: In order to get OSR/2, you need to either buy it at the same time as a hard drive purchase (really, I'm not making this up) or else you can undoubtedly buy a "used" copy from someone who upgraded to Win98.
Unless something has changed in the last year, you cannot download it.
However, I've looked through the entire Matrox G400 installation manual, and I don't see anything that indicates that you need OSR/2 for an AGP card. I think that Win95 just identifies it as a PCI card, but as long as the card's drivers are installed, and the mobo BIOS is setup for AGP, my hunch is that it will work. I have also e-mailed Matrox about the Win 95a issue and will report back what they say.
Unless something has changed in the last year, you cannot download it.
However, I've looked through the entire Matrox G400 installation manual, and I don't see anything that indicates that you need OSR/2 for an AGP card. I think that Win95 just identifies it as a PCI card, but as long as the card's drivers are installed, and the mobo BIOS is setup for AGP, my hunch is that it will work. I have also e-mailed Matrox about the Win 95a issue and will report back what they say.
After getting no clear answer here, I asked Kevin Rice at the Daily Radar QANDA. And I got just got an e-mail from him ( since when does he personaly respond ? ) All you have to do to get OSR2 is get all the critical and recomend updates from microsoft and there ya go!
? ) All you have to do to get OSR2 is get all the critical and recomend updates from microsoft and there ya go!heh here's a HOPEFULLY clear answer. I've done this, so here we are.
I ran my Voodoo 3 2K AGP on my Windows 95 system. It ran FINE, but windows didn't think it was an AGP slot. the AGP slot has some sort of PCI to PCI bridge if I remember correctly, and Windows saw this device, which then showed up in the Device manager as a conflicting device. Don't worry, it really isn't conflicting, Windows 95 is too stupid (rather old) to figure out what to do with it.
this was with OSR2.5, with ALL the upgrades. USB Supplement too (which BTW didn't let me use my USB Steering wheel, but it's goin fine with Windows 98 right now).
So, I imagine that all cards that don't really use the special feature that AGP does (namely, the different way of accessing data from the memory, and now you could consider Sidebanding and Fast Writes an AGP feature) offer, will run in Windows 95 just fine. With cards that actually impliment it, (TNT 1 and 2, Riva 128 I think did too, and of course the Geforce 1 and 2) I suspect you MIGHT need to go Windows 98, though AFAIK, the Riva 128 was available before Windows 98.. hmm. I don't remember.
I ran my Voodoo 3 2K AGP on my Windows 95 system. It ran FINE, but windows didn't think it was an AGP slot. the AGP slot has some sort of PCI to PCI bridge if I remember correctly, and Windows saw this device, which then showed up in the Device manager as a conflicting device. Don't worry, it really isn't conflicting, Windows 95 is too stupid (rather old) to figure out what to do with it.
this was with OSR2.5, with ALL the upgrades. USB Supplement too (which BTW didn't let me use my USB Steering wheel, but it's goin fine with Windows 98 right now).
So, I imagine that all cards that don't really use the special feature that AGP does (namely, the different way of accessing data from the memory, and now you could consider Sidebanding and Fast Writes an AGP feature) offer, will run in Windows 95 just fine. With cards that actually impliment it, (TNT 1 and 2, Riva 128 I think did too, and of course the Geforce 1 and 2) I suspect you MIGHT need to go Windows 98, though AFAIK, the Riva 128 was available before Windows 98.. hmm. I don't remember.
I received a reply (and a reply to my reply) today from Matrox TS - very encouraging in terms of support - that I will probably get video from the AGP card in Windows 95a, but there may be a performance hit in comparison with later versions of the OS that explicitly support AGP.
SO, the OSR2 upgrades may not even be necessary, or at least not for me, since I am planning to upgrade to Windows ME in September.
SO, the OSR2 upgrades may not even be necessary, or at least not for me, since I am planning to upgrade to Windows ME in September.
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