After the last eight years, what could possibly posses you to vote Republican?

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People can only think within the confines of their hidden prejudices. Billions have been spent convincing people that liberal is bad, whereas, in fact, liberal has meant more inclusive. More inclusive scares the crap our of those who have pie and think no bigger pie exists. But more inclusive means more pie. The us against them mentality of the primitive hold back the progress of the human race. We will die robotic slaves or evolve into what we can't even begin to imagine. The fearful and small minded, all they see is fear. We will break the Republican cocoon of grunt level issues and learn to fly or we will die aborted. A tidal wave is coming and we will ride or drown.

Nothing can stand before the Will of God and God is the Ultimate Liberal.

wow...moonbeam talking about people with hidden prejudices....

if that aint the pot meeting the kettle, I don't know what is...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Topic: New Messages After the last eight years, what could possibly posses you to vote Republican?

Answer: Because GWB doesnt reflect the ideals of the GOP.

Another reason the brain dead will be voting 90% McBush. The Republican mindset is a cornucopia of imbecilic rationalizations.

Hint: No elected Republican reflects the ideals of the GOP.

it's posts like this that give me doubts about voting for Obama.

Pulled right out of that cornucopia. You are full of doubts about Obama. What you can't explain in any rational language is why. You are like somebody who doesn't like gays. You don't know why but they fill you wit doubt.

There's nothing to say to your absurd comment if you can't supply some reasoning? You are a bigot.

LOL - isn't Loki gay?

He says he is which is exactly why I chose that example.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Atreus21

So stop all this self-righteous bullshit.

And leave it to those like you who thrive on it.

At least I don't deny it. I believe I'm right, and you're wrong. Liberals pretend to behave as if all viewpoints are valid, while in actuality are just as close-minded as me. It's deliberately misleading.

Good thing I'm not a Liberal.

:laugh:
I walk like a duck, quack like a duck, shit like a duck, hang out with ducks, but I'm a beautiful swan dammit! :roll:

What an ass. You post a :laugh: and some crap and another emoticon and you think your absurd remarks can wipe out years of history with Red Dawn's posts that clearly and without a single shred of doubt are the work of no liberal. Your sad and sickening attempt to insult is really shameful. You are an idiot and you demonstrate it clearly.

Red Dawn wisely knows he is a simpleton. You on the other hand...well I think I'll quote myself:
"You're just another partisan hack, the only difference is your motivation. "

You showed you're a liar and an idiot. I'm not going, now, to get excited about what you say about me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
People can only think within the confines of their hidden prejudices. Billions have been spent convincing people that liberal is bad, whereas, in fact, liberal has meant more inclusive. More inclusive scares the crap our of those who have pie and think no bigger pie exists. But more inclusive means more pie. The us against them mentality of the primitive hold back the progress of the human race. We will die robotic slaves or evolve into what we can't even begin to imagine. The fearful and small minded, all they see is fear. We will break the Republican cocoon of grunt level issues and learn to fly or we will die aborted. A tidal wave is coming and we will ride or drown.

Nothing can stand before the Will of God and God is the Ultimate Liberal.

wow...moonbeam talking about people with hidden prejudices....

if that aint the pot meeting the kettle, I don't know what is...

You don't know what is.... is what is.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Topic: New Messages After the last eight years, what could possibly posses you to vote Republican?

Answer: Because GWB doesnt reflect the ideals of the GOP.

Another reason the brain dead will be voting 90% McBush. The Republican mindset is a cornucopia of imbecilic rationalizations.

Hint: No elected Republican reflects the ideals of the GOP.

it's posts like this that give me doubts about voting for Obama.

Pulled right out of that cornucopia. You are full of doubts about Obama. What you can't explain in any rational language is why. You are like somebody who doesn't like gays. You don't know why but they fill you wit doubt.

There's nothing to say to your absurd comment if you can't supply some reasoning? You are a bigot.

when you so pillorize anyone who disagrees with you, it brings doubts and makes me wonder what in Obama appeals to you that I'm not seeing.

I thought this whole post-partisan thing was about trying to understand the other side despite your disagreements, not calling them all mouth breathers.

and it's not limited to you, don't get me wrong. you can hardly open a thread in P&N without an Obama supporter slamming anyone who dares to disagree with his world view.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Topic: New Messages After the last eight years, what could possibly posses you to vote Republican?

Answer: Because GWB doesnt reflect the ideals of the GOP.

Another reason the brain dead will be voting 90% McBush. The Republican mindset is a cornucopia of imbecilic rationalizations.

Hint: No elected Republican reflects the ideals of the GOP.

Im not an elector my vote doesnt count. I dont vote in prez elections. Why bother?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Honestly, I'd like to know.

Seeing the state of the country the way it stands now, why would you do it?

I'd particularly like to hear reasoning from the more vocal members on the right.

I havent read the other posts, but I'll give my opinion directly.

It comes down to 2 issues. Social programs and gun rights. While you may say "Well thats pretty narrow minded" thats really what it is.

First off I HATE the idea of paying someone elses way in life. I also hate the fact my future and the future of my children is taken from me at gunpoint to be given to someone else. Thats what it is in my eyes. My money is taken and given to someone who has a worse job and 6 kids. My money is taken and given to people who dont want to work as hard as me, all in the name of "helping". Those who support this always seem to think only the "downtrodden" have problems or struggle. That somehow life for me is roses and koolaid all the time. In fact its not. So when the fruits of my labor are forcfully taken from me to be given to others, well, I will NEVER support that. EVER.

And gun rights, well that should be pretty obvious. I dont think I need to go into details on that one.

So there you go. It comes down to taxes for social programs and gun rights as the real big issues for me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Topic: New Messages After the last eight years, what could possibly posses you to vote Republican?

Answer: Because GWB doesnt reflect the ideals of the GOP.

Another reason the brain dead will be voting 90% McBush. The Republican mindset is a cornucopia of imbecilic rationalizations.

Hint: No elected Republican reflects the ideals of the GOP.

it's posts like this that give me doubts about voting for Obama.

???

None of the ranking Republicans have any true conservative values. They are all supporters of big government and fewer individual or state rights. Why is that so hard to understand?

Every time someone suggests that the Democrats are big spenders, I laugh. We spend but a fraction of what the Republicans spend and plan to spend. It's amazing how the followers of the Republican party can believe in one set of ideals yet vote for people who never represent these ideals in any form.

"Republicans are for lower taxes. Republicans are for you and your small business. Republicans are fiscally responsible."

This bullshit has been so deeply ingrained in the psyche of sheep they can't believe anything else even with 8 years of disaster staring them in the face.

In every thread I can count on moonie to say 3 things.

1st that if you don't vote Obama you are going against "God's" will. Obama has been chosen by "God"

2nd that if you vote Republican you are "brain-dead" or "stupid"

and 3rd that you are a "sheep" if you can't see that GWB was a Republican, so all Republicans must be the same.

Here's a question for you though. How do you know this "God" being thing wants Obama to be CIC? How do you know "God" doesn't want Ron Paul to be CIC? Moonie you really should read up on fallacies. You make quite a few of them every thread you reply in, and sometimes even more than one each reply.

I'd read up on um but I'm too busy looking at the ones you make:

1. Republicans are the party of the Taliban God so I'm going with the one some Democrats believe in. I don't like monopolies.

2. You are quite correct at this point in time.

3. There's a whole host of different Republican stupid.

All I know is that if God's will is Ron Paul Ron Paul will win. Nothing can stand against the will of God.

 

[Jschmuck2]

So Loki is the gay Republican? I was wondering who that person was.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Honestly, I'd like to know.

Seeing the state of the country the way it stands now, why would you do it?

I'd particularly like to hear reasoning from the more vocal members on the right.

I havent read the other posts, but I'll give my opinion directly.

It comes down to 2 issues. Social programs and gun rights. While you may say "Well thats pretty narrow minded" thats really what it is.

First off I HATE the idea of paying someone elses way in life. I also hate the fact my future and the future of my children is taken from me at gunpoint to be given to someone else. Thats what it is in my eyes. My money is taken and given to someone who has a worse job and 6 kids. My money is taken and given to people who dont want to work as hard as me, all in the name of "helping". Those who support this always seem to think only the "downtrodden" have problems or struggle. That somehow life for me is roses and koolaid all the time. In fact its not. So when the fruits of my labor are forcfully taken from me to be given to others, well, I will NEVER support that. EVER.

And gun rights, well that should be pretty obvious. I dont think I need to go into details on that one.

So there you go. It comes down to taxes for social programs and gun rights as the real big issues for me.

"You're stupid and you're proud of it." That would have been even more direct.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Honestly, I'd like to know.

Seeing the state of the country the way it stands now, why would you do it?

I'd particularly like to hear reasoning from the more vocal members on the right.

I havent read the other posts, but I'll give my opinion directly.

It comes down to 2 issues. Social programs and gun rights. While you may say "Well thats pretty narrow minded" thats really what it is.

First off I HATE the idea of paying someone elses way in life. I also hate the fact my future and the future of my children is taken from me at gunpoint to be given to someone else. Thats what it is in my eyes. My money is taken and given to someone who has a worse job and 6 kids. My money is taken and given to people who dont want to work as hard as me, all in the name of "helping". Those who support this always seem to think only the "downtrodden" have problems or struggle. That somehow life for me is roses and koolaid all the time. In fact its not. So when the fruits of my labor are forcfully taken from me to be given to others, well, I will NEVER support that. EVER.

And gun rights, well that should be pretty obvious. I dont think I need to go into details on that one.

So there you go. It comes down to taxes for social programs and gun rights as the real big issues for me.

"You're stupid and you're proud of it." That would have been even more direct.

True, however if I had said that I would not have been answering his questions. I dont see how me calling anyone stupid helps to answer their questions..... But think what you will.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Honestly, I'd like to know.

Seeing the state of the country the way it stands now, why would you do it?

I'd particularly like to hear reasoning from the more vocal members on the right.

I havent read the other posts, but I'll give my opinion directly.

It comes down to 2 issues. Social programs and gun rights. While you may say "Well thats pretty narrow minded" thats really what it is.

First off I HATE the idea of paying someone elses way in life. I also hate the fact my future and the future of my children is taken from me at gunpoint to be given to someone else. Thats what it is in my eyes. My money is taken and given to someone who has a worse job and 6 kids. My money is taken and given to people who dont want to work as hard as me, all in the name of "helping". Those who support this always seem to think only the "downtrodden" have problems or struggle. That somehow life for me is roses and koolaid all the time. In fact its not. So when the fruits of my labor are forcfully taken from me to be given to others, well, I will NEVER support that. EVER.

And gun rights, well that should be pretty obvious. I dont think I need to go into details on that one.

So there you go. It comes down to taxes for social programs and gun rights as the real big issues for me.

"You're stupid and you're proud of it." That would have been even more direct.

True, however if I had said that I would not have been answering his questions. I dont see how me calling anyone stupid helps to answer their questions..... But think what you will.

Pssst, he was calling you stupid.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Honestly, I'd like to know.

Seeing the state of the country the way it stands now, why would you do it?

I'd particularly like to hear reasoning from the more vocal members on the right.

I havent read the other posts, but I'll give my opinion directly.

It comes down to 2 issues. Social programs and gun rights. While you may say "Well thats pretty narrow minded" thats really what it is.

First off I HATE the idea of paying someone elses way in life. I also hate the fact my future and the future of my children is taken from me at gunpoint to be given to someone else. Thats what it is in my eyes. My money is taken and given to someone who has a worse job and 6 kids. My money is taken and given to people who dont want to work as hard as me, all in the name of "helping". Those who support this always seem to think only the "downtrodden" have problems or struggle. That somehow life for me is roses and koolaid all the time. In fact its not. So when the fruits of my labor are forcfully taken from me to be given to others, well, I will NEVER support that. EVER.

And gun rights, well that should be pretty obvious. I dont think I need to go into details on that one.

So there you go. It comes down to taxes for social programs and gun rights as the real big issues for me.

Fair enough. Although I think it's very sad that you choose to lead such a narrow-minded life, I do appreciate that you took the time to answer my questions. Hell, I think you're the only one

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Honestly, I'd like to know.

Seeing the state of the country the way it stands now, why would you do it?

I'd particularly like to hear reasoning from the more vocal members on the right.

I havent read the other posts, but I'll give my opinion directly.

It comes down to 2 issues. Social programs and gun rights. While you may say "Well thats pretty narrow minded" thats really what it is.

First off I HATE the idea of paying someone elses way in life. I also hate the fact my future and the future of my children is taken from me at gunpoint to be given to someone else. Thats what it is in my eyes. My money is taken and given to someone who has a worse job and 6 kids. My money is taken and given to people who dont want to work as hard as me, all in the name of "helping". Those who support this always seem to think only the "downtrodden" have problems or struggle. That somehow life for me is roses and koolaid all the time. In fact its not. So when the fruits of my labor are forcfully taken from me to be given to others, well, I will NEVER support that. EVER.

And gun rights, well that should be pretty obvious. I dont think I need to go into details on that one.

So there you go. It comes down to taxes for social programs and gun rights as the real big issues for me.

"You're stupid and you're proud of it." That would have been even more direct.

True, however if I had said that I would not have been answering his questions. I dont see how me calling anyone stupid helps to answer their questions..... But think what you will.

Pssst, he was calling you stupid.

HAHAHA. Compared to the ATDU'ers around here?!?!

Now THATS comedy gold!! Thanks for that laugh.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Honestly, I'd like to know.

Seeing the state of the country the way it stands now, why would you do it?

I'd particularly like to hear reasoning from the more vocal members on the right.

based on your responses here, you really don't give a rat's ass why someone wants to vote repulican...you just want to stir up the pot and then fire off rehashed BS to make you and others like you feel better about themselves...go eat a cookie or whatever.

 

[redgtxdi]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Fair enough. Although I think it's very sad that you choose to lead such a narrow-minded life, I do appreciate that you took the time to answer my questions. Hell, I think you're the only one

Except that there's nothing sad about it, actually.

If we keep on the road we're on (meaning, I also believe the Republicans are responsible for 'more' government lately too) we're going to turn into a socialist country!!!

Next up???.......Communism!!


In short:

Dem = more government
Rep = less government

Despite the fact Boosh hasn't enforced that philosophy the way I'd like, that's it in a nutshell.

Now.........why someone would choose MORE gov't, to me is the bigger question.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: danzig

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Stupidity and/or poor self-esteem (specifically, inability to admit fault and learn from errors).

Locally , I have seen many people who are finally admitting to this.

I screwed up and voted for GWB the first time. Shortly after , it was like GWB & Palpatine were merging into the same person.

Many of us didn't see him for the refuse he is. That's ok just as long as we have learned from our mistakes. That's all anybody can ask of us.

Welll, ya, learning from it though includes things like not requating 'one party rule' by the Republicans and Democrats.

Just because one party rule by Repulbicans was terrible does not mean that it's the same with the Democrats.

In part, it depedns on how much we can keep the Democrats from getting as corrupted as the Republicans. There's a large progressive wing in the Democratics Party.

Historically, one party rule by the Democrats has given our nation some of its best things that it would not have without the one party rule. One party rule by the Republicans gave us 'under God' added to our pledge of allegiance, the McCarthy era, and the modern Bush era. To be fair, the Democrats did get into some problems with one party in charge of Congress eventually, but nothing like the Republicans.

Recgozize the parties have different policies and the the cure for poison isn't a mix of antidote and poison. There's a lot the dems need to fix and Republicans are obstructionist.

Consider this commentrary by John Dean on how the Republicans are happy to block good reforms for politics:

Dean: Congress has traditionally had the lowest approval ratings of all the branches. In the book I explain why this is the case, along with the irony that most voters give their own representatives and senators high approval ratings, claiming it is merely the rest of them they don't approve of. After explaining the repairs that the Democrats have instituted since regaining control of the legislative branch, I explain that it is a Republican tactic to do all within their power to not allow the Democrats to get public credit for making Congress work again. Indeed, Republicans won control of Congress in the 1994 election after years of doing all they could to literally destroy Congress--it was really quite remarkable how they attacked the institution that they were part of, but it worked. Voters concluded that Democrats could not run Congress. After the GOP took control in 1995, they ran Congress not as a deliberative body but in a dictatorial manner that literally excluded Democrats, which meant over half the nation was not represented in Congress. Not surprisingly, by 2006 the efforts of the GOP to make their Congressional majority permanent through blatantly corrupt means and methods had backfired, and enough voters realized what was happening to take away control.

Now the GOP is back to trying their best to make the Congress not function, so that voters will put them back in control. The reason approval ratings are sinking is the GOP is succeeding--and the Democrats inexplicably refuse to talk about what the GOP is again doing to the process, and the media is not reminding voters. If Democrats continue to ignore process issues, if they refuse to make them an issue in 2008, not only will they lose but so will democracy as we know it.


Amazon.com: You describe yourself as a "Goldwater conservative on many issues," but note that conservatives' "fundamentally antigovernmental attitude" can make it hard for them to govern effectively. In other words, if people hate government, why would they be good at it? What do you think are the models of good conservative governance?
Dean: Senator Goldwater said during the 1964 presidential campaign--and I have found him saying the same thing years later in speeches--that when history looked back on his political philosophy that he would be called a liberal. Goldwater conservatism is actually drawn from classic liberalism. I particularly admire Senator Goldwater's positions on "process" issues, the way he rejected the incivility and intellectual dishonesty that has overpowered conservatism. While he did not like big government--in fact, nobody does and he was merely ahead of his time in raising the issue--he believed that which was essential must function in the best interest of all Americans, not merely Republicans. He never embraced the Reagan mantra that government is the problem not the solution. I always thought Senator Goldwater's definition of conservatism a good motto for good conservative governance: "a conservative draws on the wisdom and best of the past to apply it to the present and the future." Today, conservatives are drawing on the worst of the past, not because they are true conservatives; rather they are radicals more interested in power for themselves and other Republicans instead of serving the general public interest.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Honestly, I'd like to know.

Seeing the state of the country the way it stands now, why would you do it?

I'd particularly like to hear reasoning from the more vocal members on the right.

I havent read the other posts, but I'll give my opinion directly.

It comes down to 2 issues. Social programs and gun rights. While you may say "Well thats pretty narrow minded" thats really what it is.

First off I HATE the idea of paying someone elses way in life. I also hate the fact my future and the future of my children is taken from me at gunpoint to be given to someone else. Thats what it is in my eyes. My money is taken and given to someone who has a worse job and 6 kids. My money is taken and given to people who dont want to work as hard as me, all in the name of "helping". Those who support this always seem to think only the "downtrodden" have problems or struggle. That somehow life for me is roses and koolaid all the time. In fact its not. So when the fruits of my labor are forcfully taken from me to be given to others, well, I will NEVER support that. EVER.

And gun rights, well that should be pretty obvious. I dont think I need to go into details on that one.

So there you go. It comes down to taxes for social programs and gun rights as the real big issues for me.

Fair enough. Although I think it's very sad that you choose to lead such a narrow-minded life, I do appreciate that you took the time to answer my questions. Hell, I think you're the only one

I told you you'd say it was narrow minded

But let me ask you this. WHY is it narrow minded? Why is MY view narrow minded and your view the "right" view?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Fair enough. Although I think it's very sad that you choose to lead such a narrow-minded life, I do appreciate that you took the time to answer my questions. Hell, I think you're the only one

Except that there's nothing sad about it, actually.

If we keep on the road we're on (meaning, I also believe the Republicans are responsible for 'more' government lately too) we're going to turn into a socialist country!!!

Next up???.......Communism!!


In short:

Dem = more government
Rep = less government

Despite the fact Boosh hasn't enforced that philosophy the way I'd like, that's it in a nutshell.

Now.........why someone would choose MORE gov't, to me is the bigger question.

you see the thing is voting Republican isn't voting for less government and it hasn't been since Ike.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
We have witnessed what a one party govt can do. Lets not give the other party at least 4 years to prove the previous 8 werent a fluke. If the republicans owned congress Obama would get my vote.

That is all.

Yeah right, what a load of bullshit.

Believe what you want I really dont give a shit. I am not bound by party anymore. The republicans have completely failed my litmus test.

Yet you are going to vote for more of the same.:roll:

How do you get "more of the same" if the Dems have a filibuster proof legislature?

More of the same inadequate boneheaded leadership we had under Bush.

I love this new tactic by the Bush/McCain supporters. They are now voting for McCain not because he's a Republican, they are voting for him because they don't want the same situation they had voted for twice previously when they voted for Bush. If their judgment was so lacking back then why should we pay any attention to it now?

First of all, I am not voting for McCain. Secondly, you did not address my point. Do you think its a good idea for a single party to control the executive branch and have a filibuster proof Legislature?

Just because I think that is a bad situation does not mean I agree with <insert specific asshole or party>.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Math is obviously not your strong point.

In the 2006 election, as opposed to the 2000-2004 elections, the House swung by 60 seats! Taking that into consideration, it is statistically likely that the Republicans will pick up more seats this time around as opposed to previous elections (when change was slower). This is basic time-dependent statistical fluctuations that we're talking about. A large deviation like what we saw in 2006 is most likely to accompany a so-called 'pendulum swinging the other way' effect.

Also, when did I suggest that the Republicans held a significant House majority in 2004? Holding even a 1-seat majority in the Senate makes your Congressional holding a 'significant majority' in my book; you're able to pass whatever you want anytime you want, especially with the way that the Republicans in Congress have fallen in line. In contrast, the Democrats hold a similarly slim majority in the House as the Republicans did last go around, but now they don't have a Senate majority. This is a much larger difference than you're letting on.

The facts -
Democrats have a slim majority in the House
No one has a Senate majority
Statistics tells us that the Democrats are likely to surrender some House AND Senate seats due to last year's winnings being so large

In 2004 the Republicans held both the House and the Senate. Where were your principles then? I'm still waiting on an answer. Everyone who voted for Bush in 2004 and is now voting for McCain in 2008 based on 'checks and balances' is a liar.

1. Except there is no indication that the GOP has any chance at picking up seats in Congress. Unlike the Presidency, they are getting creamed in the polls.

The Democrats didn't take back Congress in 1996 after the 1994 readjustment, did they?

2. The Senate Republicans in 2004 had a 1 vote majority, same as the Democrats do now. Yeah, that includes Joe Lieberman now, but we had Lincoln Chafee back then, so it evens out.

The real facts are that the Democrats have the same 'significant' majority now in the Senate that the GOP had 4 years ago.

Even by your own silly definition of 2 Senators being a significant majority, you need 2 houses of Congress to do much of anything, and the GOP had a very slim majority in the House at the time.

 

[redgtxdi]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
you see the thing is voting Republican isn't voting for less government and it hasn't been since Ike.

Except at least Rep is *supposed* to be.......(and ultimately should fall to such a mean if things get too far out of hand).

Whereas Dem will *never* and never is *supposed* to be less gov't.

The state of California (my home state) is the greatest example. We'll lead the socialist agenda here and pass it off to the rest of you states just as soon as you keep voting for *more* gov't!

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: danzig

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Stupidity and/or poor self-esteem (specifically, inability to admit fault and learn from errors).

Locally , I have seen many people who are finally admitting to this.

I screwed up and voted for GWB the first time. Shortly after , it was like GWB & Palpatine were merging into the same person.

Many of us didn't see him for the refuse he is. That's ok just as long as we have learned from our mistakes. That's all anybody can ask of us.

You nominated McCain. Obviously you didn't learn from your mistakes.

The Dems nominated Obama. Obviously they didn't learn from their mistakes when they lost the last election darn near handed to them. This shouldn't even be a contest right now.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Honestly, I'd like to know.

Seeing the state of the country the way it stands now, why would you do it?

I'd particularly like to hear reasoning from the more vocal members on the right.

I havent read the other posts, but I'll give my opinion directly.

It comes down to 2 issues. Social programs and gun rights. While you may say "Well thats pretty narrow minded" thats really what it is.

First off I HATE the idea of paying someone elses way in life. I also hate the fact my future and the future of my children is taken from me at gunpoint to be given to someone else. Thats what it is in my eyes. My money is taken and given to someone who has a worse job and 6 kids. My money is taken and given to people who dont want to work as hard as me, all in the name of "helping". Those who support this always seem to think only the "downtrodden" have problems or struggle. That somehow life for me is roses and koolaid all the time. In fact its not. So when the fruits of my labor are forcfully taken from me to be given to others, well, I will NEVER support that. EVER.

And gun rights, well that should be pretty obvious. I dont think I need to go into details on that one.

So there you go. It comes down to taxes for social programs and gun rights as the real big issues for me.

Fair enough. Although I think it's very sad that you choose to lead such a narrow-minded life, I do appreciate that you took the time to answer my questions. Hell, I think you're the only one

I told you you'd say it was narrow minded

But let me ask you this. WHY is it narrow minded? Why is MY view narrow minded and your view the "right" view?

Narrow minded in that those are the two issues that are the most important to you - in my opinion, there are many, many more important things to be concerned about.

That's what I meant - I wasn't attacking you and I apologize if you took it that way.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: redgtxdi

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Fair enough. Although I think it's very sad that you choose to lead such a narrow-minded life, I do appreciate that you took the time to answer my questions. Hell, I think you're the only one

Except that there's nothing sad about it, actually.

If we keep on the road we're on (meaning, I also believe the Republicans are responsible for 'more' government lately too) we're going to turn into a socialist country!!!

Next up???.......Communism!!


In short:

Dem = more government
Rep = less government

Despite the fact Boosh hasn't enforced that philosophy the way I'd like, that's it in a nutshell.

Now.........why someone would choose MORE gov't, to me is the bigger question.

you see the thing is voting Republican isn't voting for less government and it hasn't been since Ike.

To be fair, since Goldwater.

The bigger fallacy of the right though its their terror of the democrats' 'big government'.

In fact, democrats have often run relatively tight 'government', even while they do tend to help the population more, but the right is pretty ignorant about how effective that help is.

Social Security has all but ended elder poverty. Medicare has been essential for the needy to get care. Their invetment in higher education for very low cost earlier has been good.