After my arm workout - size is good but shoud I get more definition?

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TallBill

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Originally posted by: TheNinja
Originally posted by: TallBill
A picture of my legs

My biggest muscle group so far. Dont bother click if you're going to spew homosexual comments. Btw, picture isn't resized, so its gonna open up huge.

you got some long ass legs. and some good muscle def. i thought your kneecap was screwed up and off to the side...then I realized it was part of your quad that was sticking out all pumped up :eek:

lol, I hit my quads hard. That picture was not taken after a workout either, so no extra pump going. I should take a pic after a workout one of these days.

Now I just wish the rest of me was that big. Not that I'm complaining at my progress.
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun

I went to high school with this guy.

According to Tom DeLong sets of 10 reps with 60 second recovery periods are standard for hypertrophy.

Edit: I'm not saying there's no correlation between mass and strength, just that that it's more than possible to be quite strong without having a lot of mass.

Now, you will always find genetic freaks. I have seen them as well. Small guys that are unnaturally strong are rare, but not THAT rare... and their strength/size has more to do with genetics that any one training routine.

But I will tell you this: I gained my size from low volume/high intensity training. Anyone I know that is natural and big has done the same.

A hint: You will find lots of "experts" in fitness. And they will tell you many conflicting things. 90% of what you hear is BS and snake oil.

Since we're doing personal anecdotes, I've increased my squat by 200 pounds with little hypertrophy, doing low volume/high intensity work.

As for "genetic freaks" they could do pretty much any type of workout they want and be a top powerlifter then?

On Tom DeLong, he has more qualifications than any of us. Why is he automatically incorrect? By the way, he does recommend periodized training but considers that to be the optimal hypertrophy range.
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: Garth
Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: Garth
Anybody wanna comment on my routine?

I do 3 days in the gym on a rotation like so:

Day 1: Chest and Shoulders
Day 2: Legs and Back
Day 3: Arms and Abs

I also play rugby so I get my cardio there on the in-between days, i.e. gym Mon Wed Fri and rugby Tues Thurs Sat.

In the gym I typically do a series of warm-up sets for each muscle group before I do 3 "heavy" sets each of 3 different lifts per group. On my "heavy" sets I usually do a weight that is heavy enough to make me fail within 4-6 reps. I've read conflicting suggestions regarding lifting to failure in my "heavy" sets, though. Is it a good idea?

Right now I'm about 6'2" and 210. I'm eating like a champ -- lots of whey, tuna, chicken, cottage cheese at night, brown rice, oatmeal, etc... I wanna get to 220 or 225 by the end of the year.

You're working two of your larger body parts in one day...why?

My three day split focuses on compound movements:

Monday: Legs (Squats, Straight-Legged Deads, Calf raises)
Wednesday: Chest/Triceps (Flat DB Bench, Incline DB Bench, Close-Grip Bench, Skull Crushers)
Friday: Back/Biceps (Deadlifts, Rows, Weighted Pullups, DB Curls)

You can probably see that I don't specifically target my shoulders or my abs in this routine. My abs get plenty of work by doing compound movements...my shoulders as well. I'll throw in a crunch set here and there when I feel like it but for the most part...I don't worry about them. My abs are plenty strong...and when I finally cut I'll have a beautiful 6-pack.

I used to do a split like yours, actually. Chest/Tri's, Back/Bi's, and Legs/Abs.

After a while, I guess I thought it would be a good idea to do a separate dedicated arm workout apart from my chest and back workouts. I felt like I wasn't getting a chance to focus on my bi's and tri's properly after they were pre-exhausted during my chest and back workouts.

Similarly I felt like my previous split neglected my deltoids and traps, so I decided to add a dedicated shoulder workout into the mix. I put legs and back together because the deadlifts are a bit of both, then I can do my squats and rows to differentiate the two groups.

So you decided to focus on two small muscles at the expense of much larger, and more important, muscles? Sorry man...you lost me...

If you want to "mix it up" try Chest/Bis, Legs, Back/Tris...

Or are you one of those types who want 22" pythons and could care less about the rest of your body?
 

aCynic2

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Yes, well Arnold did a LOT of things that go against what "top authorities" say, and he was ENOURMOUS. I think pretty much spending whatever time in the gym at least 3-4 times a week will definitely keep you improving.

So, a juicer has more validity? Ok, I'm done with this crowd.

You didn't even bother to look at it so your opinion is totally worthless.

 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: aCynic2
Originally posted by: TallBill
Yes, well Arnold did a LOT of things that go against what "top authorities" say, and he was ENOURMOUS. I think pretty much spending whatever time in the gym at least 3-4 times a week will definitely keep you improving.

So, a juicer has more validity? Ok, I'm done with this crowd.

You didn't even bother to look at it so your opinion is totally worthless.

I just wanted you to post again after you said you were done posting. I knew that you just wouldn't be able to let it go. 105 posts, and we already know that you're a complete jackass.
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: aCynic2
This will be my last post on this. Here is the word from some of the top authorities in the world:

The Training Split Round Table
The Training Split Round Table II

Yes, well Arnold did a LOT of things that go against what "top authorities" say, and he was ENOURMOUS. I think pretty much spending whatever time in the gym at least 3-4 times a week will definitely keep you improving.

With Arnold's freak genetics and drug use, ANY routine would have caused him to grow like a weed.
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: aCynic2
Originally posted by: TallBill
Yes, well Arnold did a LOT of things that go against what "top authorities" say, and he was ENOURMOUS. I think pretty much spending whatever time in the gym at least 3-4 times a week will definitely keep you improving.

So, a juicer has more validity? Ok, I'm done with this crowd.

You didn't even bother to look at it so your opinion is totally worthless.

I just wanted you to post again after you said you were done posting. I knew that you just wouldn't be able to let it go. 105 posts, and we already know that you're a complete jackass.

Haha...too frickin funny.

 

w00t

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posting pictures of your muscles on a computer off topic forum is pretty lame...
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: w00t
posting pictures of your muscles on a computer off topic forum is pretty lame...

Yet, still not half as lame as responding with a useless comment.
 

LLCOOLJ

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: w00t
posting pictures of your muscles on a computer off topic forum is pretty lame...

Yet, still not half as lame as responding with a useless comment.
No actually it's lamer.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: w00t
posting pictures of your muscles on a computer off topic forum is pretty lame...

Yet, still not half as lame as responding with a useless comment.
No actually it's lamer.

Between your post and your username, I could write a 6-page dissertation on lameness. ;)
 

LLCOOLJ

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: w00t
posting pictures of your muscles on a computer off topic forum is pretty lame...

Yet, still not half as lame as responding with a useless comment.
No actually it's lamer.

Between your post and your username, I could write a 6-page dissertation on lameness. ;)
I doubt that you would be capable of doing that . Now tell me what's lamer, making a post mocking those whose egos are so big that they have to continually post the same pics of their muscles like Amused or posting those pics to stroke that ego?
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: w00t
posting pictures of your muscles on a computer off topic forum is pretty lame...

Yet, still not half as lame as responding with a useless comment.
No actually it's lamer.

Between your post and your username, I could write a 6-page dissertation on lameness. ;)
I doubt that you would be capable of doing that . Now tell me what's lamer, making a post mocking those whose egos are so big that they have to continually post the same pics of their muscles like Amused or posting those pics to stroke that ego?

The ONLY time I have posted those pics is to show that I am, in fact an advanced weight lifter and not some stick-boy nerd who thinks he's an expert.

There is no vanity involved. Those shots were taken cold and unpumped by a GF and myself and aren't even professional. If vanity were involved I would have professional shots taken while pumped.

If you think I need to post those to boost my ego, you need to go out drinking with me one night. Wow...
 

TheNinja

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Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: w00t
posting pictures of your muscles on a computer off topic forum is pretty lame...

Yet, still not half as lame as responding with a useless comment.
No actually it's lamer.

Let me guess....you and w00t are too busy playing WOW to spend any time in the gym. Then you have to mock those of us who try and stay in shape because you know you don't have what it takes to put in any effort. I'm a level 50 paladin with a vortex sword ;)

It has nothing to do with big egos or being vain. Many people here like to workout and are:
a) looking for pointers from other people on how to better their body or improve their workout technique
b) showing something they are proud of or discussing a hobby (like lifting)

To me it is no different than somebody posting pics of their new PC rig, or streetbike, or car. Whatever people are interested in they can post.

 

w00t

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Originally posted by: TheNinja
Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: w00t
posting pictures of your muscles on a computer off topic forum is pretty lame...

Yet, still not half as lame as responding with a useless comment.
No actually it's lamer.

Let me guess....you and w00t are too busy playing WOW to spend any time in the gym. Then you have to mock those of us who try and stay in shape because you know you don't have what it takes to put in any effort. I'm a level 50 paladin with a vortex sword ;)

It has nothing to do with big egos or being vain. Many people here like to workout and are:
a) looking for pointers from other people on how to better their body or improve their workout technique
b) showing something they are proud of or discussing a hobby (like lifting)

To me it is no different than somebody posting pics of their new PC rig, or streetbike, or car. Whatever people are interested in they can post.

actually, no

I do not play WoW at all. I do not go to the gym I am active enough I don't need to.

if your a and b options are the case why don't you/him post in a forum for weight lifting instead of a computer off-topic forum I am sure you will get much more feedback.

 

Sniper82

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I would start focusing MORE on your chest/abs and not worry about building your arms much more for now.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: w00t
Originally posted by: TheNinja
Originally posted by: LLKOOLJ
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: w00t
posting pictures of your muscles on a computer off topic forum is pretty lame...

Yet, still not half as lame as responding with a useless comment.
No actually it's lamer.

Let me guess....you and w00t are too busy playing WOW to spend any time in the gym. Then you have to mock those of us who try and stay in shape because you know you don't have what it takes to put in any effort. I'm a level 50 paladin with a vortex sword ;)

It has nothing to do with big egos or being vain. Many people here like to workout and are:
a) looking for pointers from other people on how to better their body or improve their workout technique
b) showing something they are proud of or discussing a hobby (like lifting)

To me it is no different than somebody posting pics of their new PC rig, or streetbike, or car. Whatever people are interested in they can post.

actually, no

I do not play WoW at all. I do not go to the gym I am active enough I don't need to.

if your a and b options are the case why don't you/him post in a forum for weight lifting instead of a computer off-topic forum I am sure you will get much more feedback.
Or you can just ignore this thread.
 

StormRider

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Looks good. If I were gay I would be on you like a horny pet rabbit humping the white socks on a person's feet.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: w00t

I do not go to the gym I am active enough I don't need to.

Hey, thats what I told myself when I was a skinny bitch too. Either that or you are huge in a bad way.
 

Rudee

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: aCynic2
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: aCynic2


A full-body provides a better hormonal response for growth. I've experienced a great deal of strength gain on a full-body done 3x/week.

Sorry, but I gotta disagree. Especially for someone going heavy and to failure.

You shouldn't be going to failure often. That will lead to neural fatigue and over training. The symptoms are disrupted sleep patterns, slow concentrics, irritability, etc.

Lifting weight is a stressful activity, in that it adds stress to the body and over doing it consistently leads to the same potential neural breakdown.

So then it becomes not a matter of lifting full-body 3x/week, but rather lifting stupidly: to failure, without a good plan/program, etc.

And as far as the older you get nonsense you're spouting, I know a 58yr old man, hasn't missed a workout in years, deadlifting 405, >300 for reps, does a full-body 3x/week.

I'm 42 and doing pretty well. So before you start saying we over 30s are getting to old to be doing this, you need to check your attitude and prejudice.

I'll be 40 this year. I know a bit about over-training.

And I believe my results speak for themselves. You can try and claim I lift "stupidly" but in reality, I minimize everything except intensity. Frequency, sets and reps are all minimized and intensity is maximized.

BTW, I'm 100% natural having taken only Creatine and Protien...

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/back2.jpg

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0438.JPG

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0672.JPG

But apparently I'm lifting stupid and don't know what I'm doing, right?


Amused, I'm 1 year older then you (turned 40 last Sept) and have most likely been lifting much longer then you (been lifting since early 80's). By looking at your pics I will say you have good development for a natural, but you are far from being "genetically gifted" as you claim. I would say your arm is about 17" in circumference and, would be far more impressive if there were more definition and separation in your arm. I'm sure you know as well as I do that young kids on a internet forum may be impressed by a little bit of development, but in the gyms where I go, you would be considered small, even by natural standards. I just find it funny that every time there is a post about weightlifting you feel you have to chime in and cause a big argument about who know's what. Give it a break.
BTW.. If you are ever in Calgary, AB come by BJ's Gym on 7th ave. Most of the regulars there are larger them me and I'm 225lbs! Then again, they're on the gear, but I'm not and can certainly give you some pointers on developing guns that have size and definition.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Rudee
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: aCynic2
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: aCynic2


A full-body provides a better hormonal response for growth. I've experienced a great deal of strength gain on a full-body done 3x/week.

Sorry, but I gotta disagree. Especially for someone going heavy and to failure.

You shouldn't be going to failure often. That will lead to neural fatigue and over training. The symptoms are disrupted sleep patterns, slow concentrics, irritability, etc.

Lifting weight is a stressful activity, in that it adds stress to the body and over doing it consistently leads to the same potential neural breakdown.

So then it becomes not a matter of lifting full-body 3x/week, but rather lifting stupidly: to failure, without a good plan/program, etc.

And as far as the older you get nonsense you're spouting, I know a 58yr old man, hasn't missed a workout in years, deadlifting 405, >300 for reps, does a full-body 3x/week.

I'm 42 and doing pretty well. So before you start saying we over 30s are getting to old to be doing this, you need to check your attitude and prejudice.

I'll be 40 this year. I know a bit about over-training.

And I believe my results speak for themselves. You can try and claim I lift "stupidly" but in reality, I minimize everything except intensity. Frequency, sets and reps are all minimized and intensity is maximized.

BTW, I'm 100% natural having taken only Creatine and Protien...

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/back2.jpg

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0438.JPG

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0672.JPG

But apparently I'm lifting stupid and don't know what I'm doing, right?


Amused, I'm 1 year older then you (turned 40 last Sept) and have most likely been lifting much longer then you (been lifting since early 80's). By looking at your pics I will say you have good development for a natural, but you are far from being "genetically gifted" as you claim. I would say your arm is about 17" in circumference and, would be far more impressive if there were more definition and separation in your arm. I'm sure you know as well as I do that young kids on a internet forum may be impressed by a little bit of development, but in the gyms where I go, you would be considered small, even by natural standards. I just find it funny that every time there is a post about weightlifting you feel you have to chime in and cause a big argument about who know's what. You look like I did BEFORE I started training with weights back in the early 80's. I clearly am not Amused.

Actually, my arms are just over 19"

I don't worry about cutting very much. I'm don't compete and I don't think BF under 10% is very healthy for me. My BF stays around 15% where I feel healthiest.

As for the rest, you're full of sh!t. Very few people bigger than me are natural.

You're fully welcome to come lift with me and see for yourself.

Gold's Gym in Springfield, IL. I'm there most weekdays midmorning.

Finally, even ExRx.com points out that less than 20% of men are genetically able to naturally put on signifigant muscle. Even fewer are able to get very large. So yes, I am genetically gifted. Other gifts include a small waist and wrists that make me look proportionately larger.

 

Rudee

Lifer
Apr 23, 2000
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Rudee
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: aCynic2
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: aCynic2


A full-body provides a better hormonal response for growth. I've experienced a great deal of strength gain on a full-body done 3x/week.

Sorry, but I gotta disagree. Especially for someone going heavy and to failure.

You shouldn't be going to failure often. That will lead to neural fatigue and over training. The symptoms are disrupted sleep patterns, slow concentrics, irritability, etc.

Lifting weight is a stressful activity, in that it adds stress to the body and over doing it consistently leads to the same potential neural breakdown.

So then it becomes not a matter of lifting full-body 3x/week, but rather lifting stupidly: to failure, without a good plan/program, etc.

And as far as the older you get nonsense you're spouting, I know a 58yr old man, hasn't missed a workout in years, deadlifting 405, >300 for reps, does a full-body 3x/week.

I'm 42 and doing pretty well. So before you start saying we over 30s are getting to old to be doing this, you need to check your attitude and prejudice.

I'll be 40 this year. I know a bit about over-training.

And I believe my results speak for themselves. You can try and claim I lift "stupidly" but in reality, I minimize everything except intensity. Frequency, sets and reps are all minimized and intensity is maximized.

BTW, I'm 100% natural having taken only Creatine and Protien...

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/back2.jpg

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0438.JPG

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0672.JPG

But apparently I'm lifting stupid and don't know what I'm doing, right?


Amused, I'm 1 year older then you (turned 40 last Sept) and have most likely been lifting much longer then you (been lifting since early 80's). By looking at your pics I will say you have good development for a natural, but you are far from being "genetically gifted" as you claim. I would say your arm is about 17" in circumference and, would be far more impressive if there were more definition and separation in your arm. I'm sure you know as well as I do that young kids on a internet forum may be impressed by a little bit of development, but in the gyms where I go, you would be considered small, even by natural standards. I just find it funny that every time there is a post about weightlifting you feel you have to chime in and cause a big argument about who know's what. You look like I did BEFORE I started training with weights back in the early 80's. I clearly am not Amused.

Actually, my arms are just over 19"

I don't worry about cutting very much. I'm don't compete and I don't think BF under 10% is very healthy for me. My BF stays around 15% where I feel healthiest.

As for the rest, you're full of sh!t. Very few people bigger than me are natural.

You're fully welcome to come lift with me and see for yourself.

Gold's Gym in Springfield, IL. I'm there most weekdays midmorning.

Finally, even ExRx.com points out that less than 20% of men are genetically able to naturally put on signifigant muscle. Even fewer are able to get very large. So yes, I am genetically gifted. Other gifts include a small waist and wrists that make me look proportionately larger.


That's very interesting to hear you claim a 19" arm, because a few years back I had my flexed upper arm measured to be about 19.75 at a bodyweight close to what I am now (225lbs) and It looks like night and day. You look about 190lbs in your pic, so that would be a 35lb difference in bodyweight. Also, the average circumference of a mans head is 22 inches, so if we do simple comparison between your arm and your head, we see that the difference is quite drastic. Certainly not within 3" of circumference. But anyway, forget all that, you can claim anything you want.

I don't know where you are getting your facts from when you say that people who are bigger then you are not natural. I assume where you live there are a lot of skinny guys so that a guy who is over 180lbs seems huge to everyone else. Before I moved to the City I was raised on a farm, where everyone worked their chores in the morning before they went to school. Like I said, I was your size before I even touched a weight. Of course you don't compete, because you would get laughed off the stage. You flash a bicep that is devoid of definition and seperation and run off like you are some kind of genetic freak. lol. If you are ever in Calgary, AB pm me and I will get you a pass to workout at BJ's Gym. One of the most hard-core gyms you will ever visit. Just don't pull the delusional crap on the regulars there as like myself, they won't buy it for one second.

Bottom line: Nobody likes a no-it-all. For once I would like to be able to enjoy a thread about weightlifting/bodybuilding without having to see your name spewn throughout. You are becoming a cancer and people are getting sick of it.
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: Rudee
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Rudee
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: aCynic2
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: aCynic2


A full-body provides a better hormonal response for growth. I've experienced a great deal of strength gain on a full-body done 3x/week.

Sorry, but I gotta disagree. Especially for someone going heavy and to failure.

You shouldn't be going to failure often. That will lead to neural fatigue and over training. The symptoms are disrupted sleep patterns, slow concentrics, irritability, etc.

Lifting weight is a stressful activity, in that it adds stress to the body and over doing it consistently leads to the same potential neural breakdown.

So then it becomes not a matter of lifting full-body 3x/week, but rather lifting stupidly: to failure, without a good plan/program, etc.

And as far as the older you get nonsense you're spouting, I know a 58yr old man, hasn't missed a workout in years, deadlifting 405, >300 for reps, does a full-body 3x/week.

I'm 42 and doing pretty well. So before you start saying we over 30s are getting to old to be doing this, you need to check your attitude and prejudice.

I'll be 40 this year. I know a bit about over-training.

And I believe my results speak for themselves. You can try and claim I lift "stupidly" but in reality, I minimize everything except intensity. Frequency, sets and reps are all minimized and intensity is maximized.

BTW, I'm 100% natural having taken only Creatine and Protien...

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/back2.jpg

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0438.JPG

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Amused/IMG_0672.JPG

But apparently I'm lifting stupid and don't know what I'm doing, right?


Amused, I'm 1 year older then you (turned 40 last Sept) and have most likely been lifting much longer then you (been lifting since early 80's). By looking at your pics I will say you have good development for a natural, but you are far from being "genetically gifted" as you claim. I would say your arm is about 17" in circumference and, would be far more impressive if there were more definition and separation in your arm. I'm sure you know as well as I do that young kids on a internet forum may be impressed by a little bit of development, but in the gyms where I go, you would be considered small, even by natural standards. I just find it funny that every time there is a post about weightlifting you feel you have to chime in and cause a big argument about who know's what. You look like I did BEFORE I started training with weights back in the early 80's. I clearly am not Amused.

Actually, my arms are just over 19"

I don't worry about cutting very much. I'm don't compete and I don't think BF under 10% is very healthy for me. My BF stays around 15% where I feel healthiest.

As for the rest, you're full of sh!t. Very few people bigger than me are natural.

You're fully welcome to come lift with me and see for yourself.

Gold's Gym in Springfield, IL. I'm there most weekdays midmorning.

Finally, even ExRx.com points out that less than 20% of men are genetically able to naturally put on signifigant muscle. Even fewer are able to get very large. So yes, I am genetically gifted. Other gifts include a small waist and wrists that make me look proportionately larger.


That's very interesting to hear you claim a 19" arm, because a few years back I had my flexed upper arm measured to be about 19.75 at a bodyweight close to what I am now (225lbs) and It looks like night and day. You look about 190lbs in your pic, so that would be a 35lb difference in bodyweight. Also, the average circumference of a mans head is 22 inches, so if we do simple comparison between your arm and your head, we see that the difference is quite drastic. Certainly not within 3" of circumference. But anyway, forget all that, you can claim anything you want.

I don't know where you are getting your facts from when you say that people who are bigger then you are not natural. I assume where you live there are a lot of skinny guys so that a guy who is over 180lbs seems huge to everyone else. Before I moved to the City I was raised on a farm, where everyone worked their chores in the morning before they went to school. Like I said, I was your size before I even touched a weight. Of course you don't compete, because you would get laughed off the stage. You flash a bicep that is devoid of definition and seperation and run off like you are some kind of genetic freak. lol. If you are ever in Calgary, AB pm me and I will get you a pass to workout at BJ's Gym. One of the most hard-core gyms you will ever visit. Just don't pull the delusional crap on the regulars there as like myself, they won't buy it for one second.

Bottom line: Nobody likes a no-it-all. For once I would like to be able to enjoy a thread about weightlifting/bodybuilding without having to see your name spewn throughout. You are becoming a cancer and people are getting sick of it.

If "people" = you then that's cool but you're kind of making youself look like an ASS for ASSUMING that everyone doesn't appreciate Amused's comments/suggestions. Amused has been more than helpful to people around here who have questions about weightlifting/bodybuilding.

Oh...and it's "nobody likes a KNOW-it-all"

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No offense or anything but I think you're a bit off base.