After Failure of BD I am desperate about SB-E

[bkzed]

I am not gamer, I need more cores and faster chips for 3d rendering like cinebench, at work I have atleast 30 dual 6 core xeon boxes, and I most of time use all of them 24x7 for the 3d rendering task. but at home I only have 3 boxes of i7-870 and don't have those powerful 6 core boxes for my own rendering tasks, so SB-E or IB any one who comes first and is reasonably prized and easy to overclock can do my work. now I hope people can understand why I am desperate about the upcoming CPU's.

I waited a lot for BD thinking it will out perform SB and will be near by IB's speed, but it turns out another way it is now near by the Nehalem. so they are almost 2-3 years behind. its not good because if we loose competition then intel may start monopoly and can delay products and also can overprice them.

 

[Assimilator87]

Well AMD usually gives better performance/price so if they had executed well, I was expecting close to SB-E performance for cheaper.

 

[IntelUser2000]

its not good because if we loose competition then intel may start monopoly and can delay products and also can overprice them.

What's certain: The super high end products won't drop in price, like the 990x

What's also certain: It's been fairly clear AMD hasn't been the source of Intel's targets for a while, bringing new innovations. Now the new targets are keeping the consumers interested, drive the PC market, and compete with ARM.

Even if you are a monopoly, not innovating you'll eventually pay a price. They kinda did that in the Pentium II days, when they added a new instruction set after few years and called it "Pentium III" but I think they have learned a lesson.

 

[sangyup81]

I am not gamer, I need more cores and faster chips for 3d rendering like cinebench, at work I have atleast 30 dual 6 core xeon boxes, and I most of time use all of them 24x7 for the 3d rendering task. but at home I only have 3 boxes of i7-870 and don't have those powerful 6 core boxes for my own rendering tasks, so SB-E or IB any one who comes first and is reasonably prized and easy to overclock can do my work. now I hope people can understand why I am desperate about the upcoming CPU's.

I waited a lot for BD thinking it will out perform SB and will be near by IB's speed, but it turns out another way it is now near by the Nehalem. so they are almost 2-3 years behind. its not good because if we loose competition then intel may start monopoly and can delay products and also can overprice them.

How about a multi-socket Interlagos setup? Would that be out of the budget? I'd love to hear anything about how those perform

 

[AdamK47]

Who the hell needs new CPU's?

Don't need it. Want it.

 

[bryanW1995]

(waits to see how $294 part oc's)

You realize that $294 part just became a $394 thanks to BD's massive and complete thud. Also, since that part is a quad, why not just get SB? Gulftown cpus are still nearly $600, I'd be surprised if IB-E hex cores didn't start in the $700-900 range. 😡


******in' Hector Ruiz!!!

 

[bryanW1995]

More like 120 for 1333 (which is the supported speed), so I was slightly high. And this assumes that the RAM specs remain unchanged (voltage limits remain the same?) which is likely a good assumption, but we have no data there.

Your math sucks, I just sorted that link by "highest rated" and the first one listed is some gskill ddr 3 1333 with 771 reviews that is $46.99 for 2x4gb. so, uh, math isn't my strong suit, but 2 x2x4 = 16, right? So 2x46.99= 93.98, and that is literally the highest rated 2x4 kit that is available, I'm sure that I could find some cheaper if I wanted to hassle with rebates/etc.

yep, further down found the 2x4 gb kits for $41.99, so that is $83.98 for 16 gb. That's just crazy!

 

[bryanW1995]

Why would anyone who is in the market for SB-E even consider the BD as an alternative even before the official benches came out? We know from AMD's recent history that you don't want the first of any of their architectures when they are trying to play catch up to Intel

But, but, 8 cores > 6 cores!!!

 

[sangyup81]

But, but, 8 cores > 6 cores!!!

You seem to really like this thread! Even by AMD's best estimations, a module was like 1.8 cores which makes the "8 core" really a 7.2 core. Even this number seems to be an overestimation now. =(

 

[RampantAndroid]

They said that its fully compatible with any 6 series chipset except the value ones like Q and B. So that includes all H, Z, and P chipsets. The new plan seems to be a 24 months cycle, with Tock bringing new sockets and Tick plugging into the old one.

The Sandy Bridge E makes much sense as buying i7-970/980/990 chips. It's just MOAR CORES. And it costs just as much. But I guess if you need extra cores, good for you.

That's less clear that I had hoped for. If intel wanted to knock it out of the park, it shouldn't even be binary compat/not compat. It should be if you have a 6 series chipset, you get IB. That'd put them above AMD.

And 2 years for a socket seems too short (that is what you're saying, yes? Tock is 1155 SB, tick is 1155 IB, tock will be some replacement for 1155?) How long did we have 478 (pentium 4) - greater than 2 years, yes? And LGA775 was above 2 years. Also, it seems to me that Intel does themselves no favors by having two sockets at once (just like AMD seemed lacking when they had Sempron on one socket, and AMD64 on another.)

I dunno...just my thoughts.

 

[sangyup81]

That's less clear that I had hoped for. If intel wanted to knock it out of the park, it shouldn't even be binary compat/not compat. It should be if you have a 6 series chipset, you get IB. That'd put them above AMD.

And 2 years for a socket seems too short (that is what you're saying, yes? Tock is 1155 SB, tick is 1155 IB, tock will be some replacement for 1155?) How long did we have 478 (pentium 4) - greater than 2 years, yes? And LGA775 was above 2 years. Also, it seems to me that Intel does themselves no favors by having two sockets at once (just like AMD seemed lacking when they had Sempron on one socket, and AMD64 on another.)

I dunno...just my thoughts.

All evidence that Intel is trying to give AMD a chance so that it won't get broken up by anti-trust

 

[Ajay]

That's less clear that I had hoped for. If intel wanted to knock it out of the park, it shouldn't even be binary compat/not compat. It should be if you have a 6 series chipset, you get IB. That'd put them above AMD.

They are above AMD! And IB is going to knock it out of the park (like IU2K said, SB-E just gets one more cores).

And 2 years for a socket seems too short (that is what you're saying, yes? Tock is 1155 SB, tick is 1155 IB, tock will be some replacement for 1155?) How long did we have 478 (pentium 4) - greater than 2 years, yes? And LGA775 was above 2 years. Also, it seems to me that Intel does themselves no favors by having two sockets at once (just like AMD seemed lacking when they had Sempron on one socket, and AMD64 on another.

Well, let's just say that Intel is kind to it's motherboard partners. I'm probably going to get 4 years out of my 1366 socket, never stayed on anything more than 2 years b/4 - times have changed. I'd probably be fine with an H2O cooled Gulftown for another year or two, but that doesn't make sense when I could get a completely new. damn fast, air cooled SB/IB system for less $$s.

 

[RampantAndroid]

They are above AMD! And IB is going to knock it out of the park (like IU2K said, SB-E just gets one more cores).



Well, let's just say that Intel is kind to it's motherboard partners. I'm probably going to get 4 years out of my 1366 socket, never stayed on anything more than 2 years b/4 - times have changed. I'd probably be fine with an H2O cooled Gulftown for another year or two, but that doesn't make sense when I could get a completely new. damn fast, air cooled SB/IB system for less $$s.

Except that for going from a launch mobo with a 920 on it to a gulftown chip, you generally needed a new mainboard that had the ability to supply enough power, right?

Also, SB-E will eventually get it's own IB, right? I seem to remember seeing that on the Intel roadmap. I don't have much confidence in a launch-2011 motherboard being capable of handling IB-E.

 

[IntelUser2000]

How long did we have 478 (pentium 4) - greater than 2 years, yes?

Both Socket 478 and 775 didn't really have that long of a lifespan. Lot of motherboards needed a revision to support it, meaning some of the early adopters were left out. I went to get a new motherboard when I had the 945G with the Celeron D on Socket 775. Part of reason for skimping out on the processor was after Prescott and the dual core variants failed to go anywhere, I was looking into Core 2. Had no luck though.

It was same with the 478. Not all motherboards were compatible. I don't know how S1155 will work out, but Lynnfield and Clarkdale both work on the P55 boards, and both are different generations, and one even has a integrated graphics controller.

For LGA1366, well unless you were absolutely borderline on the power supply, I didn't hear power issues either. I mean, think of how many are buying a $20 power supply while going full on everything else. Both 920 and and Gulftown are specced 130W, while the latter is 6 cores, its also on 32nm.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2960

Did I mention that with a BIOS update it’s fully compatible with all X58 motherboards? That’s right, even if you bought a board in November 2008 - you can upgrade directly to Gulftown.

http://www.behardware.com/news/11447/lga-1155-series-6-ivy-bridge-compatibility.html
http://giapytech.com/intel-6-series-chipset-supported-ivy-bridge/

The new "guaranteed" 24 months support is far better than "oh its physically compatible, rest is based on your luck" level they had in the previous generations. Especially on a workstation derived chip like the E/EP, half-assed compatibility would be bad.

There were even rumors that Socket 1155 compatibility might last at least 3 years, FWIW.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Both Socket 478 and 775 didn't really have that long of a lifespan. Lot of motherboards needed a revision to support it, meaning some of the early adopters were left out. I went to get a new motherboard when I had the 945G with the Celeron D on Socket 775. Part of reason for skimping out on the processor was after Prescott and the dual core variants failed to go anywhere, I was looking into Core 2. Had no luck though.

It was same with the 478. Not all motherboards were compatible. I don't know how S1155 will work out, but Lynnfield and Clarkdale both work on the P55 boards, and both are different generations, and one even has a integrated graphics controller.

For LGA1366, well unless you were absolutely borderline on the power supply, I didn't hear power issues either. I mean, think of how many are buying a $20 power supply while going full on everything else. Both 920 and and Gulftown are specced 130W, while the latter is 6 cores, its also on 32nm.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2960



http://www.behardware.com/news/11447/lga-1155-series-6-ivy-bridge-compatibility.html
http://giapytech.com/intel-6-series-chipset-supported-ivy-bridge/

The new "guaranteed" 24 months support is far better than "oh its physically compatible, rest is based on your luck" level they had in the previous generations. Especially on a workstation derived chip like the E/EP, half-assed compatibility would be bad.

There were even rumors that Socket 1155 compatibility might last at least 3 years, FWIW.

I've read about issues with the power in terms of the voltage regulation on the motherboard, with some boards not being capable of supplying gulftown, not in any way related to your power supply, directly related to power regulation.

I'll look for a link.

 

[imaheadcase]

But what i'm saying is, even though other sockets will support IB, getting the SB-E specific chipset could offer better upgrade route down the line than IB. Seeing how they always put out extreme editions of CPUs, it might only be 2011 compatible IB. OR other CPUs. They have before stopped using a socket mid cycle of a CPU line.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I'm still waiting to see just how nerfed early X79 will be, otherwise I may just end up picking up a used i7 970 or 980 for my old s1366 rig to pair with my current 2600K rig until IB/IB-E or Haswell. I could really use two extra cores for some of the live encoding I'm doing.

If you require hypertheading, then you'll want a 2600k....but SB-E will be a non-starter for most people. I was considering it, but then decided against it. Quad channel RAM alone will be $150 or more, I bet.

My i7 950 is easily enough for now, and I'm waiting for Ivy Bridge.

no need to be suckered into an "official" kit of "quad channel memory", 4 individual sticks (shouldn't have a problem as long as you stick to the same brand and model), two duals, or a current dual channel 4-pack will do the trick (currently 4GB modules are going for about $25 a pop for DDR3 1600) or you could go with some 2GB modules and save some money if 8GB is enough.

Also, since quad channel will be overkill for the vast majority of SB-E users, you don't even have to run quad channel, you could always stop with 2 or 3 sticks of ram and just run dual or triple channel instead, (heck, I ran dual channel on my s1366 rig for quite a while with virtually no performance drawback for my computing, my advantage for going triple channel was mostly gaining more ram capacity than performance from extra bandwidth

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see 2GB sticks of faster DDR3 make a brief comeback for s2011 as gamers opt for speed and bandwidth over capacity now that 8GB is the sweet spot

 

[Ben90]

Why would anyone be "desperate" about a future CPU product? I'd be more interested in newer GPUs.

Why would anyone be interested in newer GPUs? I'm more interested in future CPU products.

 

[aigomorla]

Why would anyone be interested in newer GPUs? I'm more interested in future CPU products.

cuz i want something to replace our 580gtx's which run hotter then 95% of all the cpu's available including my 990X, and eats more power while at it too.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Why would anyone be interested in newer GPUs? I'm more interested in future CPU products.

well we are vastly GPU limited at the moment, so its only natural to crave a faster GPU when current CPUs are plenty for the majority of games. Although its been far too long since we've seen a significant leap with either: March 2010 = i7 980X and April 2010 = GTX480 (longer if we consider the Radeon 5870) A year and a half later and we've only seen marginal upgrades with the 990X/2600K and GTX580

22nm and 28nm can't get here soon enough 😛

 

[Ben90]

I was mostly annoyed at the "I don't need X so you don't need X" type post which seems to pad a lot of these threads recently. In retrospect I did it the childish way that ends up causing the exact thing I was annoyed about.

Many people could care less about improvements in GPU technology. While GPGPUs may eventually help the non-gamers out, for the near distant future, a faster CPU is what people like me want now. My 4890 runs games perfectly fine on minimum settings.

 

[Barfo]

I was mostly annoyed at the "I don't need X so you don't need X" type post which seems to pad a lot of these threads recently. In retrospect I did it the childish way that ends up causing the exact thing I was annoyed about.

Many people could care less about improvements in GPU technology. While GPGPUs may eventually help the non-gamers out, for the near distant future, a faster CPU is what people like me want now. My 4890 runs games perfectly fine on minimum settings.

 

[exar333]

cuz i want something to replace our 580gtx's which run hotter then 95% of all the cpu's available including my 990X, and eats more power while at it too.

This!

28nm GPUs cannot come quickly enough...the current options are lame. I am glad I got my 5870 when I did, but there has been little to make me upgrade.

 

[Ajay]

This!

28nm GPUs cannot come quickly enough...the current options are lame. I am glad I got my 5870 when I did, but there has been little to make me upgrade.

I'm a nvidiot, but it sure would be nice if Kepler wasn't a toaster. Current rumors put the die size < 400mm2 and with 768 SPs (instead of 1024), so chances are good that it'll be cooler than Fermi.