After America...

[chucky2]

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As IMHO, chucky2 makes two stupid assumptions.

1. If America is not willing to to do what it takes to win, in Afghanistan, lets admit it from the get go, why lie to the American people and pretend we can do the impossible on the cheap? If your excise Chucky2 is, that the lies of GWB are acceptable, there is something really really wrong with YOU? I mean seriously, Chucky2, why play a game we cannot win?

Because an act of 9/11 proportion against a country that was 99% asleep in regards to anything other than Snooki and American Idol demanded us kick the F out of something. We're not some shithole like Greece, France, or the UK, we're the F'ing US. There are no 'lies of GWB' (unless you've got a case of BDS, in that case, check under you bed tonight, he might be there to give your rear a workout). GWB did what he had to do, he turned the Military loose on a 3rd world nation and the Military did what it did best: Wreck whatever stood in its way (and even then, we didn't go close to all out) and conquer. That the Military wasn't given the numbers needed to truly subdue the country is moot, because it was never going to get it, yet, it was going in regardless. Why you and/or BDS'rs cannot F'ing grasp that I will never understand. Every whining argument you have is basically voided in light of those Realities.

2. Chucky2, you seem to be under the delusion the US occupation of Iraq is something we can put into any win column? When Iraqi stability is far far far wider than it is deep. As we can also ask what did we win after 2 plus trillion dollars, and all those wasted US lives. Lots of water under the dam since Steven Hadley told us the Iraq war would cost us no more than 50 billion tops? As my fear is any event, could cause Iraq to go into a civil war that will spill far past Iraqi borders.

In the Win column? Check back in 30 years and we'll see. Iraq is yet again another case of not going in with enough troops to completely control the country. As for what we won? Well, we're stupid. We should have just taken their oil as payment for liberation. While that sets a terrible precedent for other strong adversaries, such as Russia and China, at least we'd have got something out of it. Whatever the RoTW thought is basically pointless, because the RoTW don't matter when it comes down to it. Nations will b1tch, they might not help us, but for absolutely F'ing sure, they're not going to do anything to us in regards to kicking us out. Your post is a perfect example of the whining I referenced earlier. 'Wasted US lives' '$50B', etc. etc. We took Iraq and held it for years with a far smaller force was necessary, and it cost less lives than taking one meaningless island in WWII. Congrats: You have validated your Starbucks timeline and Walmart cost needs.

In short chucky2, IMHO, you seem to exhibit all the foreign policy vision of a amoeba. And to use your own words against you, Chucky2 learn to think and get real dude.

Or are you just happy chucky2 to see America lose?

I really don't know what to say to this, other than you left ouf 'stinking thinking'. You are so far out I can't even take your slams seriously. You have logic like someone going down on the Titanic, and sitting there preaching that if the steel was 10x thicker, that if we hadn't hit an iceberg we wouldn't be in this position, if the water was warm there'd be no problems, if the boat didn't sink for weeks everyone would be all right. Hey genius: Shits not perfect. Sometimes you have to just take a bite and start chewing, sucks as it may be...

Chuck

 

[richaron]

As sadly and all due respect to your total nativity Nebor, there is zero real evidence that the USA really wanted to help the people of Afghanistan, as all the USA wanted to do was advance our foreign policy, and because our foreign policy has zero to do with helping the ordinary Afghan citizen, it perfectly explains why our foreign policy flopped in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

That set of people may have been ruled by tyrants and brutes, but when we tear down those semi-predictable rulers and replace it with total anarchy instead, they are worse off than were before. And when we in the USA are too cheap to step up to the plate and provide a real government that works in the people's interests ( rather than only US foreign policy interests), after two or three years, the people wise up and say Yankee go home. Afghanistan in now in year 11 of total anarchy, and the only people in Afghanistan who love the USA are war lords, thugs, thieves, and drug dealers.

One the most accurate posts in ATOT.

Welcome to the real world.