After 2 years on the county grand jury, I'm done.

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chowderhead

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How the hell can you decide anything after knowing the case for just 1.5 minutes? This just boggles my mind.

the saying is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. You just need to reasonably believe there is enough evidence that someone committed a crime to send it to trail. Usually, it is one witness i.e. victim or the cop saying so and so did this and we arrested them and charged them with X.
I sat on a grand jury for 1 month and listened to hundreds of cases and we indicted everyone except one case. It took only a majority of people out of like 23 people to vote to indict.
 

highland145

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wait.. there's only ONE grand jury in your county?!

or are there like one for each day but each grand jury only serves 1day/month?
so like ~20 grand juries.

20 x 18people = 360 drafted for grand juries at the beginning of the year?
Just one. Most cases plead out before they come to us. The solicitor stacks the charges as deep as he can and then says, "But if you plead guilty to 1 of the 4, I'll drop the others." So of the 70K incident reports the sheriff's dept may have a year, 400 might come to the GJ.
 

highland145

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the saying is that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. You just need to reasonably believe there is enough evidence that someone committed a crime to send it to trail. Usually, it is one witness i.e. victim or the cop saying so and so did this and we arrested them and charged them with X.
I sat on a grand jury for 1 month and listened to hundreds of cases and we indicted everyone except one case. It took only a majority of people out of like 23 people to vote to indict.
This. Had 1 no bill in 2 years and whatever idiot charged that kid should be slapped. He had written in his English journal that he wanted to wanted to kill himself and blow up the school. The search of his house showed he had no way of blowing up the school but since he was 18, they charged him with making terroristic threats. Talk about going on your permanent record. He needed mental help, not jail.
 

fleshconsumed

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Most are simple. Ms Jones was swerving, driving down the road. She failed the field tests and blew a .22 BAC. Since she didn't plead out, we get to send it to trial.

Ah, I see. Makes more sense now. I can see only spending 1.5 minutes on a simple case like that. Do you get more time to decide if you come across a more difficult case?
 

highland145

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Ah, I see. Makes more sense now. I can see only spending 1.5 minutes on a simple case like that. Do you get more time to decide if you come across a more difficult case?
As long as we want and as much detail as they have but even the 2 month didn't take 5 minutes. The kid was in the boyfriends care when the injuries happened. It just took a while for the detective to get the details out because of them hiding out at the hotel, giving fake names at the hospital, running, baby momma getting arrested in the next county for neglecting her 2 other kids during the investigation. The last was a bonus because they recorded her conversations with baby daddy and they discussed it.

We opted out of the pics.
 

3chordcharlie

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One of the posters in this thread spoke of interest in serving on a criminal trial. Hmm, blood, gore, guts and 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one could be the kind of thing to keep you awake at night.
Sounds like a typical case of American Blind Justice.
 

SlickSnake

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I happened to read this a few days ago. And I tend to agree with this article.

Grand Juries Should Be Abolished
The secrecy, lack of oversight, and disregard for the rules of evidence do not serve justice.

Grand juries originated in 12th-century England to prosecute criminals; in the 20th century, England abolished them. Other members of the former British Empire—Scotland, Wales, New Zealand, Ireland, Australia, and Canada—have done the same, but not the United States. As demonstrated in the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases, today’s state criminal grand juries serve no useful purpose and make a mockery of justice; they should be abolished. There is nothing grand about grand juries.

The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, adopted in 1791, includes a grand jury clause that reads, “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury.” All federal capital crimes and federal crimes punishable by imprisonment for more than one year must therefore be presented to a federal grand jury, unless the accused waives this right. The federal grand jury does not determine whether the accused is guilty; rather, it decides if there is “probable cause” to believe that the accused has committed a crime. By codifying the grand jury in the Fifth Amendment, the framers intended to protect people “against hasty, malicious and oppressive prosecution.” On the state level, things are different.

In state courts, judges preside over probable cause hearings called preliminary examinations. These “prelims” are open to the public, and they are adversarial. Witnesses are questioned and cross-examined by prosecutors and defense attorneys, all of whom must abide by the rules of evidence.

About half of the states have both prelims and criminal grand juries. In these states, it is in the sole discretion of prosecutors whether to hold prelims or to convene grand juries. Unlike prelims, criminal grand jury proceedings are not adversarial. No judges or defense attorneys participate. The rules of evidence do not apply; there are no cross-examinations of witnesses, and there are no objections. How prosecutors explain the law to the jurors and what prosecutors say about the evidence are subject to no oversight. And the proceedings are shrouded in secrecy.
Read more HERE:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ustice_for_eric_garner_and_michael_brown.html
 

highland145

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About half of the states have both prelims and criminal grand juries. In these states, it is in the sole discretion of prosecutors whether to hold prelims or to convene grand juries. Unlike prelims, criminal grand jury proceedings are not adversarial. No judges or defense attorneys participate. The rules of evidence do not apply; there are no cross-examinations of witnesses, and there are no objections. How prosecutors explain the law to the jurors and what prosecutors say about the evidence are subject to no oversight. And the proceedings are shrouded in secrecy.
My county:

1st bolded, true. The solicitor here can direct indict but the politics of high profile cases would keep him from doing so. Like in Ferguson.

The 2nd, not so much. We only saw detectives/cops. We could ask for more info if we wanted. Granted the cops could have lied to us. We were given "special investigative" powers for the law/police/etc but that was just part of the formality, imo.
 
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dud

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OP, my condolences ... you are a better man than I.

My experience with the "legal" system in this country have been less than stellar. The legal system in the USA is akin to a game where the pawns are people and their lives. Prosecutors get rated on how many "convictions" or plea deals they get ... and even less for defense attorneys who care more for their pockets and bottom line than they do for their "clients".

Experience has made me a cynic ...
 

highland145

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OP, my condolences ... you are a better man than I.

My experience with the "legal" system in this country have been less than stellar. The legal system in the USA is akin to a game where the pawns are people and their lives. Prosecutors get rated on how many "convictions" or plea deals they get ... and even less for defense attorneys who care more for their pockets and bottom line than they do for their "clients".

Experience has made me a cynic ...
Doubtful.

How have you been?

Fat, dumb and happy here.
 

highland145

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It seems that no matter what life throws your way ... you seem happy and plug along.


Bravo ...
I drink a lot.


And I approve this message.


Couple of months back, customer asked how I was. Told him that I wasn't complaining. He said, "Good because half of the people don't care and the other half think you deserve it."

:biggrin:
 

Exterous

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Couple of months back, customer asked how I was. Told him that I wasn't complaining. He said, "Good because half of the people don't care and the other half think you deserve it."

I think you know what half I fall under
 

rh71

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I served 10 days on a grand jury hearing case after case and by then I was so done with hearing other people's problems. I can't imagine this cloud over my head for 2 years.