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African Americans owe Jews Reparations...

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Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Second, what we call slavery in Africa, wasn't slavery at all. It was indentured labor. No one owned anyone. Someone's labor could be owed for a crime commited, being a prisoner of war, or assimilating into a new tribe. This is no different from indentured servitude that many Europeans signed into in order to buy passage to America. Africans selling slaves to Europeans thought they were transferring labor contracts.
Another idiot, how'd I miss this one? :disgust:
I bet you think all Native Americans were kind and peaceful and were just one with nature too, right?
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Slavery is slavery. There are no different types of slavery. You cannot compare it to indentured servitude because that was VOLUNTARY. Debtors had a choice, go to America as an indentured servant or go to jail. And they signed a contract agreeing to it. edit: I know, I'm the descendant of Irish indentured servants.
In Africa, there was no choice. Conquering tribes killed your family, raped your sister and mother, and hauled you into slavery in chains. That was how it happened. It is documented fact and your revisionist history cannot change that. Africans selling slaves to Europeans did not think they were transferring labor contracts, you apologist moron, they were selling their enemies for a profit.
I'm not saying that white people (or any other people on this sick planet for that matter) were any better. They weren't. But fact is fact and I will expose your bullsh!t when I see it.
 
I will gladly pay reparations to all the people whom my family has enslaved. Relatives even. Doing some quick math, the total of people to whom I and my family owe reparations to is exactly zero. My family (both sides) didn't come to America until well after the Civil War, and before they came over they were pesant farmers in either Switzerland (father's side) or Scottland and Ireland (mother's side). No-one in my family currently owns, or has ever owned, a slave. Therefore we do not owe anyone any reparations.

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Originally posted by: classy
And let me address this notion of blacks selling other blacks. Many of the tribe leaders similar to the Indians here were tricked. Many of them thought they were going to live a better life in a new country. This idea that tribe leaders knew what was going to happen is a joke.

And where do you get that info? It wouldnt be an undergraduate African Studies class at one of our notably liberal institutions of higher learning?
 
Originally posted by: Dari
LH, apparently you don't understand racism. Either you are ignorant of it or you are part of it. To say that blacks are holding themselves back is incredibly stupid. The fact is racism is far more complex than your mind can fanthom. It comes in many shapes and sizes. It morphs itself everyday. It is both institutionalized and grassroot. It is a pervasive and ethereal phantom.

Reparation can go a long way towards acknowledging the mistakes of the past and making relative amends. It won't make substantial difference, physically, but it can do a lot to soothe the soul.

how do you explain then that quite a few of so-called minority races such as asians or hindu's for example fare much better than the blacks generally speaking? Sure there is racism, just like there is antisemitism. It is however not supported on the government level anymore and thus could be prosecuted if approached properly. This means that opportunities are available to anyone who does not consider himself a VICTIM.

When I came to this country 10 years ago, I had to sleep on a mattress that we picked up in Golden Gate park and eat on a carton box from a TV set that we bought(TV was the first thing that we bought so that we could learn the language faster). and DIG THIS, my family(mom(54 at the time), dad(54) and I(15 at the time)) lived on welfare for a whole year and used food stamps to do groceries shopping.

We didnt have what every American including a black american does -- fluency of English language. What we did have is a drive to succeed in life. Are you telling me that a 15 year old black kid nowadays has less opportunities than a 15 year old Russian immigrant who speaks almost no english?

READ MY LIPS ---- BULL$HIT!!!

Now 10 years later, after rising up from shitty minimum wage jobs my dad makes over $60K, I make over $80K(i mean untill i got laid off 3 weeks ago) thanks to the opportunities that this country provides and the opportunities that I CHOSE to take.

 
Reparations are a joke...a sick ****ing joke. Not only did my ancestors have NOTHING to do with America's slave trade, but they were actually still in Britain up until the early 1900's suffering under conditions akin to slavery themselves. And now you a$$holes want me to give up MY hard-earned money to a random shmuck off the street because some third-party (who had NOTHING to do with me or my ancestors) fscked his ancestors up 2 centuries ago?!?! Piss on that ironic sh*t!! Payment of that kind effectively consitutes a fine--an admission of guilt on my part...a guilty verdict that is not even REMOTELY warranted. It is a ************* insult to me and my family, and I will never pay. EVER. Mark that down in stone. :|:disgust:
 
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
Reparations make sense when you consider the fact that this nation was built on the backs of slaves. But money shouldn't be given to individuals but to black communities... use it to improve education, and then abolish affirmative action gradually.

agree, and like ScottyB said, it wasn't that long ago, really.



 
since reps for blacks was brought up😛
Ten Reasons Why Reparations for Blacks is a Bad Idea for Blacks - and Racist, Too!

One

There Is No Single Group Clearly Responsible For The Crime Of Slavery

Black Africans and Arabs were responsible for enslaving the ancestors of African-Americans. There were 3,000 black slave-owners in the ante-bellum United States. Are reparations to be paid by their descendants too?

Two

There Is No One Group That Benefited Exclusively From Its Fruits

The claim for reparations is premised on the false assumption that only whites have benefited from slavery. If slave labor created wealth for Americans, then obviously it has created wealth for black Americans as well, including the descendants of slaves. The GNP of black America is so large that it makes the African-American community the 10th most prosperous "nation" in the world. American blacks on average enjoy per capita incomes in the range of twenty to fifty times that of blacks living in any of the African nations from which they were kidnapped.

Three

Only A Tiny Minority Of White Americans Ever Owned Slaves, And Others Gave Their Lives To Free Them

Only a tiny minority of Americans ever owned slaves. This is true even for those who lived in the ante-bellum South where only one white in five was a slaveholder. Why should their descendants owe a debt? What about the descendants of the 350,000 Union soldiers who died to free the slaves? They gave their lives. What possible moral principle would ask them to pay (through their descendants) again?

Four

America Today Is A Multi-Ethnic Nation and Most Americans Have No Connection (Direct Or Indirect) To Slavery

The two great waves of American immigration occurred after 1880 and then after 1960. What rationale would require Vietnamese boat people, Russian refuseniks, Iranian refugees, and Armenian victims of the Turkish persecution, Jews, Mexicans Greeks, or Polish, Hungarian, Cambodian and Korean victims of Communism, to pay reparations to American blacks?

Five

The Historical Precedents Used To Justify The Reparations Claim Do Not Apply, And The Claim Itself Is Based On Race Not Injury

The historical precedents generally invoked to justify the reparations claim are payments to Jewish survivors of the Holocaust, Japanese-Americans and African- American victims of racial experiments in Tuskegee, or racial outrages in Rosewood and Oklahoma City. But in each case, the recipients of reparations were the direct victims of the injustice or their immediate families. This would be the only case of reparations to people who were not immediately affected and whose sole qualification to receive reparations would be racial. As has already been pointed out, during the slavery era, many blacks were free men or slave-owners themselves, yet the reparations claimants make no distinction between the roles blacks actually played in the injustice itself. Randall Robinson's book on reparations, The Debt, which is the manifesto of the reparations movement is pointedly sub-titled "What America Owes To Blacks." If this is not racism, what is?

Six

The Reparations Argument Is Based On The Unfounded Claim That All African-American Descendants of Slaves Suffer From The Economic Consequences Of Slavery And Discrimination

No evidence-based attempt has been made to prove that living individuals have been adversely affected by a slave system that was ended over 150 years ago. But there is plenty of evidence the hardships that occurred were hardships that individuals could and did overcome. The black middle-class in America is a prosperous community that is now larger in absolute terms than the black underclass. Does its existence not suggest that economic adversity is the result of failures of individual character rather than the lingering after-effects of racial discrimination and a slave system that ceased to exist well over a century ago? West Indian blacks in America are also descended from slaves but their average incomes are equivalent to the average incomes of whites (and nearly 25% higher than the average incomes of American born blacks). How is it that slavery adversely affected one large group of descendants but not the other? How can government be expected to decide an issue that is so subjective - and yet so critical - to the case?

Seven

The Reparations Claim Is One More Attempt To Turn African-Americans Into Victims. It Sends A Damaging Message To The African-American Community.

The renewed sense of grievance -- which is what the claim for reparations will inevitably create -- is neither a constructive nor a helpful message for black leaders to be sending to their communities and to others. To focus the social passions of African-Americans on what some Americans may have done to their ancestors fifty or a hundred and fifty years ago is to burden them with a crippling sense of victim-hood. How are the millions of refugees from tyranny and genocide who are now living in America going to receive these claims, moreover, except as demands for special treatment, an extravagant new handout that is only necessary because some blacks can't seem to locate the ladder of opportunity within reach of others -- many less privileged than themselves?

Eight

Reparations To African Americans Have Already Been Paid

Since the passage of the Civil Rights Acts and the advent of the Great Society in 1965, trillions of dollars in transfer payments have been made to African-Americans in the form of welfare benefits and racial preferences (in contracts, job placements and educational admissions) - all under the rationale of redressing historic racial grievances. It is said that reparations are necessary to achieve a healing between African-Americans and other Americans. If trillion dollar restitutions and a wholesale rewriting of American law (in order to accommodate racial preferences) for African-Americans is not enough to achieve a "healing," what will?

Nine

What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

Slavery existed for thousands of years before the Atlantic slave trade was born, and in all societies. But in the thousand years of its existence, there never was an anti-slavery movement until white Christians - Englishmen and Americans -- created one. If not for the anti-slavery attitudes and military power of white Englishmen and Americans, the slave trade would not have been brought to an end. If not for the sacrifices of white soldiers and a white American president who gave his life to sign the Emancipation Proclamation, blacks in America would still be slaves. If not for the dedication of Americans of all ethnicities and colors to a society based on the principle that all men are created equal, blacks in America would not enjoy the highest standard of living of blacks anywhere in the world, and indeed one of the highest standards of living of any people in the world. They would not enjoy the greatest freedoms and the most thoroughly protected individual rights anywhere. Where is the gratitude of black America and its leaders for those gifts?

Ten

The Reparations Claim Is A Separatist Idea That Sets African-Americans Against The Nation That Gave Them Freedom

Blacks were here before the Mayflower. Who is more American than the descendants of African slaves? For the African-American community to isolate itself even further from America is to embark on a course whose implications are troubling. Yet the African-American community has had a long-running flirtation with separatists, nationalists and the political left, who want African-Americans to be no part of America's social contract. African Americans should reject this temptation.

For all America's faults, African-Americans have an enormous stake in their country and its heritage. It is this heritage that is really under attack by the reparations movement. The reparations claim is one more assault on America, conducted by racial separatists and the political left. It is an attack not only on white Americans, but on all Americans -- especially African-Americans.

America's African-American citizens are the richest and most privileged black people alive -- a bounty that is a direct result of the heritage that is under assault. The American idea needs the support of its African-American citizens. But African-Americans also need the support of the American idea. For it is this idea that led to the principles and institutions that have set African-Americans - and all of us -- free.
 
Originally posted by: Piano Man
Originally posted by: novon
Actually, original egyptians were not african in race, more arian I believe. So whites owe jews reparations

I'm not so sure about that. After taking an African History course, they made sure to mention that the ancient Egyptians were black. I did not here about the jewish slaves, however. Either way, how bout everyone acknowledges that some pretty bad sh!t has happened in the past and agree that it should never happen again? I could go for that.

I agree completely.
 
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: novon
Actually, original egyptians were not african in race, more arian I believe. So whites owe jews reparations

No way were they Aryan.


They were Semites. Aryans were not present there, unless for perhaps trade.

And its Aryan, not Arian. I dont' know who started using that spelling, but according to Sanskrit, it is Aryan, and Sanskrit is the established language of those people.

edit: and skin color has NOTHING to do with Aryans. Yes they were fair skinned, but it is very doubtful they would have been considered "white" since they were from the Central-South Asian region.


Ditto ..

"arya" in sanskrit means of noble birth or intentions .. or purity in mind/soul.

People still now are called as "Arya" and Arya Putras" .... it is used as an adjective more than noun.

The Indian subcontinent has a wide genetic pool from these mixes : Central/East european Causcasian mix, Aborginal or Dravidian mix, Mongoliod mix and lastly Numibian/NegroidMix( african migration ). Blend all and you get us.

Aryan concept of Hitler is BS ... he had the white race german blood aryan myth giving the real "aryans" bad name.

Also the Aryan invasion myth of India .. The indo european historian fantasy..blunders from the west.


If you see the pictures from the ancient Egypt, the figures show dark skin with staright non negroid features .. they are semities.

Also some paintings/illustrations/statues clearly show the presence of numbian guards and negroid featured muscle men .. used as guards/militray. Those are black ..

Cleopatra had a elite sqad of assasins .. called the Black Lions .. sudanese/negroid/numbian merceneries trained to kill.


To say Ancient Egyptians were all numbians or negroid is utter anthropological blashphemy.









 
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