Afghanistan War

[piasabird]

I feel like we are fighting a war to protect their poppies. Whoever controls the poppies controls the flow of guns and ammo. We should pull out now. I feel it is not worth dieing for. Just build a drone launching platform and bomb them with technology. No need to even waste a pilot. I am all for using nerve gas if that is what it takes.

Seriously, why are we over there? We have a southern border to protect.

 

[Sinsear]

OP

 

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Loves

 

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Cuba

 

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And is blatantly anti-American. Fail thread

 

[Nebor]

Bush is a victim of multiculturalism. Thought he could change ME with Democracy. Thinks "all moms and dads want to be just like us" Such a fool. Knows nothing of Islam. The tenants or atmospherics that make them want to be nothing like you.

Exactly. We assume that they want democracy, freedom of speech, clean water, western music, the internet, etc. They don't. They want to live in the mountains and heard goats. If they wanted to change they would have changed sometime in the last 2000 years.

 

[Zebo]

Exactly. We assume that they want democracy, freedom of speech, clean water, western music, the internet, etc. They don't. They want to live in the mountains and heard goats. If they wanted to change they would have changed sometime in the last 2000 years.

Islam is all about submission. Intellectual submission, mental submission. This has certain side effects which stunts economic growth to the degree it's followed and if it weren't for the accident of geology (oil) and Ataturks liberalism all ME would look like Afghanistan. Side effects such as, and maybe you seen them in your travels, being against the habit of skepticism. It's why Nasser can tell Arab world they won six day war and all believe it... or willingness to believe anything of Americans no matter how deranged. Their viciousness, for Mo, the perfect man did take pleasure in the decapitation of prisoners and so should we as followers. Their base ingratitude. Their Inshalla Allah fatalism - for God will or won't provide no matter what you do he can step in on a whim so why strive? And so forth.

The soldiers returning from Iraq/Afghanistan have learned something about these people but they don't understand why so much. Many sense that there is something wrong with these people to behave in the violent manner and so strangely. But few have learned why. In fact it's discouraged. Soldiers are told to give automatic respect that the word "Islam" as a religion while not delving into it which you will soon find it's a total belief system that effects everything they do.

 

[Lemon law]

If we want to understand why Afghanistan is backward, the one word of isolated explains much of it. 500 years ago, before the days of the European long distance sailing ship that broke the Arab middleman monopoly on Chinese goods to Europe, Afghanistan was at least on the old silk road.

Yet 300 miles to the East, the bulk of Pakistan is a modern Western style secular nation. No burkas, no segregation of the sexes, but same religion.

 

[SickBeast]

Zebo, I have met many moderate muslims who are very successful in life and in their careers. While I sympathize with your general sentiment, I have to say that I think the problem lies with the radicals, and in many cases it seems as though these radicals wind up in the governments of many of these ME countries.

To say that Islam should be outlawed is pretty silly. I'm fine with outlawing the radical variants of it, but if you're going to do that, you might as well outlaw Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and 7th Day Adventists while you're at it.

In many ways, Christianity is just as discriminatory a religion as Islam is if it's taken the wrong way and out of context.

 

[Nebor]

Their Inshalla Allah fatalism - for God will or won't provide no matter what you do he can step in on a whim so why strive? And so forth.

This one is particularly maddening. "So the training ammunition for the class will be there Monday?" "Inshalla." "No not inshalla, did you tell your drivers to pick it up and take it out to the school?" "I believe the drivers know." "Listen, there are going to be 4,000 soldiers there to train on Monday, did YOU tell the drivers to pick up the ammunition and deliver it to the school?" "No, but if it is in Allah's plan it will be done."

Motherfucker, it was in MY plan, that my team spent weeks organizing, and that you nodded along with as we explained it.

This country doesn't need more American troops. It needs 0 American troops and about a dozen American nuclear missiles.

 

[Ackmed]

Most of the vehicles we are using now are pretty well protected from IEDs... I believe there was just a directive issued to expand the HMMWV restriction throughout the theater, so everyone should be riding in MRAPS and ASVs now. I don't believe any of these vehicles have suffered a breach due to IEDs... most injuries occur due to the occupants not following safety procedures, wearing all their gear, seatbelts, etc. Very few deaths are actually due to the explosions themselves.

We cannot take any HMMV's out at all anymore. Its been that way for almost a year now.

And there have been catastrophic hits to MRAPs and MATVs. Most IED's are HME, which is a slower charge, which pushes more than cuts. So generally they roll the vehicle, and as you said, people generally die from lack of seat belts. But they also die from drowning because canals are everywhere.

Im with 3/1, here is a vid of whats going on; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4m9AQhHdks&feature=related

Be sure to watch the news in about a week for a pretty big op, should be lots of fun.

 

[kylebisme]

...[Afghanistan is] where the 9/11 terrorists were trained.

I highly doubt that.

Beyond that, I'm thinking we should ride roughshod into Pakistan and get Bin Laden just like we got Saddam Hussein.

Seeing as how we still don't have any solid evidence to even indict bin Laden for 9/11, invading yet another country to go after him is absurd. Besides, considering his heath conditions a decade ago, I'm guessing he's long dead by now anyway.

 

[Zebo]

This one is particularly maddening. "So the training ammunition for the class will be there Monday?" "Inshalla." "No not inshalla, did you tell your drivers to pick it up and take it out to the school?" "I believe the drivers know." "Listen, there are going to be 4,000 soldiers there to train on Monday, did YOU tell the drivers to pick up the ammunition and deliver it to the school?" "No, but if it is in Allah's plan it will be done."

Motherfucker, it was in MY plan, that my team spent weeks organizing, and that you nodded along with as we explained it.

This country doesn't need more American troops. It needs 0 American troops and about a dozen American nuclear missiles.

LOLZ Seen this 100x in Saudi too but at least they are rich enough to hire us to do everything so shit gets done.

 

[kylebisme]

You aren't seriously trying to claim the Saudis' control US foreign policy, are you? That's just as absurd as blaming it on Israel.