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davmat787

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So in other words, you are willing to go on the record accusing someone of commiting a crime based on nothing but opinions, and as I pointed out earlier, very stupid opinions like thinking soldiers can't access the internet, or the phrase "got to go", can only mean someone is leaving the country.

Also, you criticize him for using his profession to bolster the weight of his posts, then you do exactly that in your own posts. A lot.

Tom, I think I can appreciate what you are trying to do here, but you said it yourself that you don't want to go read all of JoS's posts. You might want to familiarize yourself with what you are trying to defend if you are going to call out others. Just my opinion, but it seems like a reasonable thing to do.
 

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Tom, I think I can appreciate what you are trying to do here, but you said it yourself that you don't want to go read all of JoS's posts. You might want to familiarize yourself with what you are trying to defend if you are going to call out others. Just my opinion, but it seems like a reasonable thing to do.

I'm not calling anyone out. I read a few responses from the attackers, then looked at the posts they were talking about, and found nothing but rediculous jumping to conclusions, people speaking for everyone on the forums, and opinions based on just plain wrong facts.

So after looking at 3 of those, and seeing absolutely no reason for these attacks, and I don't like people speaking for me when they have no right too, I decided to make a few posts.

Now, for no reason other than he disagrees with me, one of the attackers is now attacking me, using exactly the same tactics.

Which is what I expect from people of that caliber.
 

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So in other words, you are willing to go on the record accusing someone of commiting a crime based on nothing but opinions, and as I pointed out earlier, very stupid opinions like thinking soldiers can't access the internet, or the phrase "got to go", can only mean someone is leaving the country.

Also, you criticize him for using his profession to bolster the weight of his posts, then you do exactly that in your own posts. A lot.

Yes, I'd absolutely go "on record" (I assume you're a stenographer?) saying JoS is a complete fake. You obviously aren't as familiar with him as others in this thread. Did you ever READ the thread in OT where he claims to be the best marksman with the most accurate rifle in the world, besting the next closest contender by a factor of nearly ten?

My opinions are valid based on years of dealing with JoS across these forums. He always calls people names, acts juvenile, makes outrageous claims and then disappears when people call him out on them.

I'm not criticizing him for using his profession to "bolster the weight of his posts." Exactly the opposite, his POSTS undermine his claims about his profession.

I recommend you take a few days, read a couple thousand posts by JoS so you can figure out exactly who you're defending here. If you want the abridged notes here they are: You're the only one defending him.

Why can't he simply post a picture, or answer my simple questions about the UK HQ in Afghanistan?
 

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I'm not calling anyone out. I read a few responses from the attackers, then looked at the posts they were talking about, and found nothing but rediculous jumping to conclusions, people speaking for everyone on the forums, and opinions based on just plain wrong facts.

So after looking at 3 of those, and seeing absolutely no reason for these attacks, and I don't like people speaking for me when they have no right too, I decided to make a few posts.

Now, for no reason other than he disagrees with me, one of the attackers is now attacking me, using exactly the same tactics.

Which is what I expect from people of that caliber.

I'm not attacking you with the same tactics I use against JoS. But then, you don't know anything about tactics.

Which is what I expect from people of your caliber. :rolleyes:

(Hint: I'm not attacking you at all. I'm trying to keep you from being the guy who tanks his own reputation by defending a total liar and hack.)
 

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Yes, I'd absolutely go "on record" (I assume you're a stenographer?) saying JoS is a complete fake. You obviously aren't as familiar with him as others in this thread. Did you ever READ the thread in OT where he claims to be the best marksman with the most accurate rifle in the world, besting the next closest contender by a factor of nearly ten?

My opinions are valid based on years of dealing with JoS across these forums. He always calls people names, acts juvenile, makes outrageous claims and then disappears when people call him out on them.

I'm not criticizing him for using his profession to "bolster the weight of his posts." Exactly the opposite, his POSTS undermine his claims about his profession.

I recommend you take a few days, read a couple thousand posts by JoS so you can figure out exactly who you're defending here. If you want the abridged notes here they are: You're the only one defending him.

Why can't he simply post a picture, or answer my simple questions about the UK HQ in Afghanistan?

It isn't right for you to ask him to, IMO.

I read the posts I read, and the attacks in those cases were very foolish. Why don't you respond to what I posted ?

Why does saying 'got to go' mean anything incriminating ?
 

Bulk Beef

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Saying "got to go" doesn't mean shit. On the other hand, claiming sub 1" groups at half a mile with anything other than a laser beam says that the claimant is full of dookie.

JoS, what color is the boathouse at Hereford?
 

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Saying "got to go" doesn't mean shit. On the other hand, claiming sub 1" groups at half a mile with anything other than a laser beam says that the claimant is full of dookie.

JoS, what color is the boathouse at Hereford?

I have a feeling he won't be coming back in here. It's his MO.
 

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It isn't right for you to ask him to, IMO.

I read the posts I read, and the attacks in those cases were very foolish. Why don't you respond to what I posted ?

Why does saying 'got to go' mean anything incriminating ?


It isn't RIGHT for me to ask him? What planet are you from? First of all, this is P&N. You can't make wild claims without proof. People expect proof. Second, in what universe is it not "right" to ask someone some very simple questions, that if answered correctly will give him enormous credibility?


I'm not talking about "got to go." I'm talking about a few thousand of his other posts that say ridiculous, unbelievable things. I've responded to everything you've posted. Did you read any of the links supplied to his other threads? If he's willing to lie about being the world's greatest marksman, do you think it's possible he might lie about being in the SAS?

I don't understand why you're defending JoS on principle, based on reading one thread. You certainly picked the wrong horse.
 

Tom

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Gun question-

.300 mag and .30-06.

What's the difference ? I know AWM(L115a) can shoot .300 mag, can it shoot .30-06 ?
 

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Gun question-

.300 mag and .30-06.

What's the difference ? I know AWM(L115a) can shoot .300 mag, can it shoot .30-06 ?
Any rifle capable of handling any of the various .300 mag flavors can be chambered in .30-06 Springfield, although to my knowledge no military weapons have been chambered in .30-06 for decades. Although it is an excellent round, it's not sufficiently better than the 7.62x54mm/.308 to warrant another caliber in the supply chain, and it's considerably worse at long range than some of the .300 magnums. If memory serves, the next semi-standardized military round above 7.62x54mm is the .338 Lapua Magnum, which certainly is capable of striking and killing a man-sized target a mile away in the right hands and reasonably optimal conditions. I know though that many sniper rifles are offered in .300 Winchester Magnum, which is the same action length as the .30-06 with slightly better ballistics, so there may be some special forces using that round. It's just hard to see why anyone would want to do so since usually the same rifle will also chamber the very much superior .338 Lapua Magnum.

The .30-06 Springfield and any of the various .300 Magnums are not interchangeable though, if that's what you are asking. All the popular .30 Magnums are belted, with completely different case diameters, shoulder diameters, and configurations.
 

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The Brits use the .338 Lapua Magnum L115a. They hold all the distance kill records in the world due to it's performance in Afghanistan.
 

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See, here's the thing Tom. JoS's marksmanship claim is not just suspicious. It is ludicrous, and not something that a serious shooter with any experience whatsoever would claim if he expected to maintain any credibility. That, coupled with JoS's general demeanor here being somewhat less professional than what I would expect from a British officer, let alone an officer of the SAS, leads me to believe that he is not what he claims to be, even if he is where he claims to be.

Bradley Manning could have claimed to be a SF CPT posting from Iraq, and he probably would have had access to enough information to put up a credible front. But he would have been a liar nonetheless.
 

davmat787

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The Brits use the .338 Lapua Magnum L115a. They hold all the distance kill records in the world due to it's performance in Afghanistan.

Any units using the .416 Barrett? Or are the predominant long range calibers .338 Lapua and .50 BMG?
 

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Any units using the .416 Barrett? Or are the predominant long range calibers .338 Lapua and .50 BMG?

I've seen Brits with the .338 L115a and Americans with the .50 M82. I'm not really a sniper expert, so I can't say with any certainty whether or not anyone is using the .416, but I doubt it.
 

davmat787

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I've seen Brits with the .338 L115a and Americans with the .50 M82. I'm not really a sniper expert, so I can't say with any certainty whether or not anyone is using the .416, but I doubt it.

Thanks, I was just curious. Was looking at the ballistics and it quite an impressive cartridge. Almost double the muzzle energy of the .338 Lapua with a 400 grain bullet. Stay safe, thanks.
 

Zebo

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How about being 44 and only a Captain? That's either a flunky for which I understand they boot you or a way late starter.

How about being 44 and special forces. I was serious athlete in my 20s wrestling football and track and only approaching 40, not 44, have shit breaking all the time from just jogging. No fucking way I could make it and I doubt any 44 yr old man could - thats a young mans game.
 
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Did you see Iggy Pop on American Idol ? He's 64 and that dude could probably run up Mt Everest.
 

Zebo

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Gun question-

.300 mag and .30-06.

What's the difference ? I know AWM(L115a) can shoot .300 mag, can it shoot .30-06 ?

More powder, faster flying, thus straighter and longer and can pierce light armor like ceramic plates and lightly armored vehicles with 1/2" steel plate.. good for out to about 1200 yrs in right hands. Barrels wear quickly ~ 5000 rounds.

30-06 not so much.
 

Zebo

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Did you see Iggy Pop on American Idol ? He's 64 and that dude could probably run up Mt Everest.

Yeah but not with 80 lbs of gear. I doubt his heroin skeleton weighs that much.
 

Nebor

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How about being 44 and only a Captain? That's either a flunky for which I understand they boot you or a way late starter.

How about being 44 and special forces. I was serious athlete in my 20s wrestling football and track and only approaching 40, not 44, have shit breaking all the time from just jogging. No fucking way I could make it and I doubt any 44 yr old man could - thats a young mans game.

Actually I will say that the British Army promotes WAY slower than the US Army due to being much smaller and more compartmentalized (you typically stay in one regiment for your entire life in the British Army. Someone needs to die or retire in order for you to be promoted.) So they're in awe of us American officers that are captains 3 years after being commissioned. Even still, I'd say it's extremely unlikely that he'd be 44 and still a captain, that's major age for the UK Army (and LTC or COL range for the US Army.) The only exception would be if he rose through the enlisted ranks and became an LEO (Late Entry Officer,) which is a commonwealth country phenomenon wherein you are promoted all the way through the enlisted ranks, make sergeant major (Warrant Officer 1 and 2 in their pay structure) and then are selected for a commission as a LEO. My understanding is that those guys are usually employed to train new direct entry lieutenants though.

Definitely not very likely that a 44 year old, captain or otherwise, would be able to physically keep up with the duties of an SAS paratrooper.
 

Zebo

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Actually I will say that the British Army promotes WAY slower than the US Army due to being much smaller and more compartmentalized (you typically stay in one regiment for your entire life in the British Army. Someone needs to die or retire in order for you to be promoted.) So they're in awe of us American officers that are captains 3 years after being commissioned. Even still, I'd say it's extremely unlikely that he'd be 44 and still a captain, that's major age for the UK Army (and LTC or COL range for the US Army.) The only exception would be if he rose through the enlisted ranks and became an LEO (Late Entry Officer,) which is a commonwealth country phenomenon wherein you are promoted all the way through the enlisted ranks, make sergeant major (Warrant Officer 1 and 2 in their pay structure) and then are selected for a commission as a LEO. My understanding is that those guys are usually employed to train new direct entry lieutenants though.

Definitely not very likely that a 44 year old, captain or otherwise, would be able to physically keep up with the duties of an SAS paratrooper.

Yeah so in addition to the best marksman that ever lived he's a genetic freak like Randy Couture.
 

cwjerome

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How about being 44 and only a Captain? That's either a flunky for which I understand they boot you or a way late starter.

How about being 44 and special forces. I was serious athlete in my 20s wrestling football and track and only approaching 40, not 44, have shit breaking all the time from just jogging. No fucking way I could make it and I doubt any 44 yr old man could - thats a young mans game.

I don't know about the British system, but maybe it's similar. It's not the norm, but it's actually not that uncommon for a 44 year old to be a captain. Many officers are former enlisted E-5 to E-7 beforehand. And some civilians join the officer corp in their 30s which could make them a captain at that age (although that scenario is very unlikely for SF). I will probably still be a captain when I'm 44, but not much longer after that.

I'm not sure about being 44 in the SF, but there's a shit ton of SF in their 30s and the average age is most likely somewhere in the low 30s. For officers, it's probably a little higher.

Any reservations I have about JoS being SAS have little to do with age.