Affirmative Action - is it ruining our country?

[hal2kilo]

No. It's been a net positive.

 

[QuantumPion]

If AA is gone, they'll find some other reason to be racist. If people don't want to face up to their own failures, they'll always find a scapegoat. Trying to appease them by reversing AA is a waste of time.

True, but you're missing the point. The point is that giving positions to blacks whom are less qualified than whites breeds racism where none existed before. For example, if you had a choice of heart surgeons, one whom was black and graduated from a medical school known for having AA, you may wonder if he is actually as qualified or not. If there was no AA, then you might think a black heart surgeon was extremely qualified, as having to work extra hard to overcome odds to succeed. As opposed to being handed a position at the expense of someone more qualified.

 

[Doppel]

It's retarded and everybody with a clue knows that, but it's also not that relevant. Most people do not acknowledged it or act upon it because they know it's inherently racist.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Since the GOP didn't bother to come up with an alternative when AA was conceived they've lost the right to bitch.

Are you really that stupid?

 

[senseamp]

True, but you're missing the point. The point is that giving positions to blacks whom are less qualified than whites breeds racism where none existed before. For example, if you had a choice of heart surgeons, one whom was black and graduated from a medical school known for having AA, you may wonder if he is actually as qualified or not. If there was no AA, then you might think a black heart surgeon was extremely qualified, as having to work extra hard to overcome odds to succeed. As opposed to being handed a position at the expense of someone more qualified.

Or I could just go online, do research, read reviews, and find out if he is extremely qualified or not. By the time someone becomes a heart surgeon, they have enough of a track record to judge their level of qualification, and I frankly don't care if they got into college through AA. By your logic I should avoid heart surgeons from Ivy League universities because those schools have legacy programs. The point you are missing is that racists are still going to question qualifications of minority doctors, even without AA. They'll just find another excuse.

 

[bfdd]

Or I could just go online, do research, read reviews, and find out if he is extremely qualified or not. By the time someone becomes a heart surgeon, they have enough of a track record to judge their level of qualification, and I frankly don't care if they got into college through AA. By your logic I should avoid heart surgeons from Ivy League universities because those schools have legacy programs. The point you are missing is that racists are still going to question qualifications of minority doctors, even without AA. They'll just find another excuse.

Duh? When has he come out in support of legacy programs? Legacy programs breed divide as well. They create "hate" where none existed.

Also, this whole notion of a "fair and level playing field" is fucking poppycock. Stop being ignorant pieces of shit, none of us are ever on a "fair and level playing field" ever. The best we can hope for is for LAW to be the "fair and level playing field", in which AA flies in the face of. Legislating inequality creates inequality and fuels divide. morons.

 

[senseamp]

Duh? When has he come out in support of legacy programs? Legacy programs breed divide as well. They create "hate" where none existed.

Also, this whole notion of a "fair and level playing field" is fucking poppycock. Stop being ignorant pieces of shit, none of us are ever on a "fair and level playing field" ever. The best we can hope for is for LAW to be the "fair and level playing field", in which AA flies in the face of. Legislating inequality creates inequality and fuels divide. morons.

I guess you decided that profanity and insults are the best way to get your point across.

 

[gevorg]

AA is great only for Humanities and Liberal Arts studies. You can't have a room full of whites and asians doing Native American studies, just because their GPAs and SATs are higher. In this case, the more ethnic backgrounds represented the better, since some intellectual properties cannot be quantified by numbers like GPA and SAT.

On the other hand, there is no place for AA in math and science. Its stupid and offensive to both parties, ones who get in by the program and ones who don't.

 

[bfdd]

I guess you decided that profanity and insults are the best way to get your point across.

Well being an idiot hypocrite usually doesn't work as well. Else, I'd have backed your view point.

ps- l2read, first paragraph was a response to your quote, second paragraph is a separate post/response.

 

[senseamp]

Well being an idiot hypocrite usually doesn't work as well.

I'll just have to take your word for it, it sounds like you have a lot of experience in this regard to draw upon.

 

[sarsipias1234]

In California women are given a different standard of work ethic at most places of employment.

Every job I have had the women do far less work for the same pay.

The women get special consideration for almost all aspects of work.

The last job I had I worked nights which women would not work because they said night time work is more dangerous. Yet I was not paid more for this more dangerous work. I recieved the same pay as the women.

Women are destroying the workforce through unfair work distribution and pay.

If you could actually calculate how much less work women do on average I bet they make more money then men on average.

 

[bfdd]

I'll just have to take your word for it, it sounds like you have a lot of experience in this regard to draw upon.

I see enough on here to know.

 

[bfdd]

In California women are given a different standard of work ethic at most places of employment.

Every job I have had the women do far less work for the same pay.

The women get special consideration for almost all aspects of work.

The last job I had I worked nights which women would not work because they said night time work is more dangerous. Yet I was not paid more for this more dangerous work. I recieved the same pay as the women.

Women are destroying the workforce through unfair work distribution and pay.

If you could actually calculate how much less work women do on average I bet they make more money then men on average.

I take it you work in labor? When I was doing the refinery gigs it was lulz to see women around. Most had convinced some part of the male crew to take over most of their work, while a small few were super bitter about that and went up and beyond to try and do hard work. Though those that work hard and don't let men do things for them are probably out numbered 6 to 1. Take that into consideration when you realize that like 1 in every 100 workers is a woman.

 

[HomerJS]

Are you really that stupid?

C student gets into Yale because daddy is Head of the CIA. Acceptable AA

Moron

 

[CanOWorms]

Keep Affirmative Action. Prevent the Europeanization of America.

The effects of Affirmative Action aren't felt by most. It doesn't prevent someone from attending a comparable institution or obtaining a comparable job. Moreover, there is still quite a bit of racism within employment where whites are preferred. Affirmative Action barely puts a dent in that.

 

[Craig234]

In California women are given a different standard of work ethic at most places of employment.

Every job I have had the women do far less work for the same pay.

The women get special consideration for almost all aspects of work.

The last job I had I worked nights which women would not work because they said night time work is more dangerous. Yet I was not paid more for this more dangerous work. I recieved the same pay as the women.

Women are destroying the workforce through unfair work distribution and pay.

If you could actually calculate how much less work women do on average I bet they make more money then men on average.

No, women are still at a disadvantage net. You're exaggerating oen side.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

C student gets into Yale because daddy is Head of the CIA. Acceptable AA

Moron

Uh what does that have to do with the post of yours I quoted?

...moran...

 

[bfdd]

Keep Affirmative Action. Prevent the Europeanization of America.

The effects of Affirmative Action aren't felt by most. It doesn't prevent someone from attending a comparable institution or obtaining a comparable job. Moreover, there is still quite a bit of racism within employment where whites are preferred. Affirmative Action barely puts a dent in that.

lol, wtf?

 

[sarsipias1234]

No, women are still at a disadvantage net. You're exaggerating oen side.

At companies women pay the same for health insurance as men but women's medical costs are way higher. Men are being forced to subsidize women's health care. A lot of the extra costs are related to pregnancy. On top of this women get 6 months paid time off while having a baby while men do not. The single male has to subsidize a women's pregnancy even when the baby was an "accident" due to unprotected sex and too much alcohol. None of the many companies I have worked for allow a cheaper rate for men even at my specific request for such reduced rates.

Just look at the individual insurance rates for women and you will see women are charged 30% to 50% more than an individual rate for a man. Yet companies do not charge women higher rates. Men have to pay 15% to 25% more for a health care insurance to subsidize a women's responsibilities.

Also, women do go to the doctor more frequently if women are sexually active. So men, at this company, have to subsidize women's right to have frequent sex.

This is wrong as this dis-impowers women because we treat them as being not capable of taking care of thrmselves and not capable of being truly financially independent.

Women's liberation was about empowering woman to be strong independent people yet most outspoken women's lib advocates want the exact opposite in the form of special considerations or affirmative action.


From:http://www.health-insurance.org/woman-health-care-costs

Some studies – cited by health insurance companies – show that women aged 19 to 55 are responsible for needing much more healthcare than men of nearly any age group. This is especially true during a woman’s childbearing years. Because of this, many women just starting out in a career intentionally put off having children until they are in a better position – career wise – to be able to handle the extra financial burden of the expected higher healthcare costs. According to the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, the average cost for having a baby was aboutt $7,600 in 2004, which would be paid out of pocket without a health insurance plan.

 

[woolfe9999]

My feeling about AA was always that it was a good idea...for one generation. Then it had to go. The whole point was to give one generation a lift, which would then create better parenting and some successful role models for young minorities, and this then would be self-sustaining. It either hasn't worked all that well, or it's worked OK but other downward forces were too strong and the best we can say is that the situation would have been worse without it.

Either way, its time has come to an end, and well it should. Still, it's funny to listen to people beating on a dying carcass. And listening to angry white men complain of being persecuted has given me no end of guffaws for almost 4 decades now. Yet I can't let these selfish reasons influence my judgment that it's time has passed.

- wolf

 

[1prophet]

Most of the stuff we do to ostensibly help the poor and downtrodden members of our society seems to have a negative long term effect on the country. There are a lot of other factors that are contributing to the downfall of the country though. I hardly think when we look back that we'll decide that it was affirmative action that single-handedly ruined us.

No one thing is going to single-handedly ruin this country, it will be death by a thousand cuts.

 

[HomerJS]

Uh what does that have to do with the post of yours I quoted?

...moran...

Meaning "you people" are all for AA if it helps maintain your majority of the pie. IE Bush being admitted to Yale. When AA was enacted to get some diversity in our higher education institutions there were no proposed solutions from the right. They just bitched about other ideas.

 

[airdata]

I personally think we've gotten past the need for affirmative action. We've grown alot as a country in the last 30+ years in the area of race relations and at this point, affirmative action is not needed and in alot of cases is counter productive.

 

[CitizenKain]

Less relevant? He's the epitome of AA. He accomplishes nothing throughout his life yet gets to go to Columbia and Harvard for free and becomes POTUS.

Less relevant you say?

Maybe if you worked harder in life you'd accomplish something instead of blaming your failures on perceived injustice against your race.

 

[fskimospy]

True, but you're missing the point. The point is that giving positions to blacks whom are less qualified than whites breeds racism where none existed before. For example, if you had a choice of heart surgeons, one whom was black and graduated from a medical school known for having AA, you may wonder if he is actually as qualified or not. If there was no AA, then you might think a black heart surgeon was extremely qualified, as having to work extra hard to overcome odds to succeed. As opposed to being handed a position at the expense of someone more qualified.

Guys, we need to continue the systemic screwing of certain races in America because if we don't keep screwing them then people will think badly about them even more than they already do.

The answer is clear: continue screwing!