Affirmative Action axed at Texas Tech med school

[glenn1]

Sounds like we're finally coming to a point where Chief Justice Roberts simple and honest advice is coming to pass - “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”

We're way past the point where race should be a primary driving factor in increasing diversity. Anyone who says that somewhere like Texas Tech Med School increases diversity by admitting the child of a very rich black person (like the child of Oprah Winfrey, or a black neurosurgeon graduate of the school living in Manhattan) in favor of the child of the poor Vietnamese refugee living in Appalachia no longer understands what "diversity" actually means.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/09/711639323/texas-tech-medical-school-to-end-use-of-race-in-admissions

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Texas Tech University's medical school has agreed to end its consideration of race in selecting candidates for admission, an outcome actively sought by the Trump administration.
The Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center submitted to pressure from the Education Department's Office on Civil Rights, which had conducted a 14-year probe into the use of affirmative action in admission policies at the medical school. The agreement is the first reached by the administration and a school to stop using race as an admissions factor.
The investigation was prompted by a complaint filed in 2004 by the Center for Equal Opportunity, a conservative think tank opposing affirmative action.

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[ivwshane]

Aren't you just fucking giddy!

His advice boils down to; racism doesn't exist so long as you don't acknowledge it. They use similar logic when they stuck down key provisions of the voting rights act. They said voter discrimination doesn't exist because minorities have been voting in elections which obviously ignores the fact that minorities have been able to vote BECAUSE of the voting rights act.

 

[trenchfoot]

That's a double edged sword that as we all know, will give Asians a whole lot more leverage at the Ivy League level of play.

So be it.

 

[1sikbITCH]

So Rice University will become an Asian college. Nice.

 

[glenn1]

That's a double edged sword that as we all know, will give Asians a whole lot more leverage at the Ivy League level of play.

So be it.

Whites and blacks are already underrepresented relative to overall population at Harvard. As the college no doubt underwent herculean efforts to increase black share of the student body and only reached 10.7% (whereas blacks are 16.09% nationwide) that should provide some data to consider.

https://features.thecrimson.com/2018/freshman-survey/makeup-narrative/

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

That's a double edged sword that as we all know, will give Asians a whole lot more leverage at the Ivy League level of play.

So be it.

So... you mean... the best person wins?

Well color me surprised - hey isn't that how sports work too?

 

[Vic]

Sounds like we're finally coming to a point where Chief Justice Roberts simple and honest advice is coming to pass - “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”

Of course that's not the intent here and you know that, but whatever.

 

[SMOGZINN]

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”

How do you propose we do that when the people in charge discriminate based on race?

 

[Vic]

Whites and blacks are already underrepresented relative to overall population at Harvard. As the college no doubt underwent herculean efforts to increase black share of the student body and only reached 10.7% (whereas blacks are 16.09% nationwide) that should provide some data to consider.

https://features.thecrimson.com/2018/freshman-survey/makeup-narrative/

Ah yes, you're trying to stop discrimination on the basis of race, while at the same time inferring that the data shows that certain races just must be inferior, right?

Anyway, I have no objections whatsoever to privately-funded universities admitting whomever they see fit. But publicly-funded universities have an obligation to serve the taxpayers -- all of them. And thus the demographics of their student body should be similar to that of the general public that funds them.

 

[glenn1]

Ah yes, you're trying to stop discrimination on the basis of race, while at the same time inferring that the data shows that certain races just must be inferior, right?

Anyway, I have no objections whatsoever to privately-funded universities admitting whomever they see fit. But publicly-funded universities have an obligation to serve the taxpayers -- all of them. And thus the demographics of their student body should be similar to that of the general public that funds them.

I thought it was your side that always said "facts have a liberal bias"? Is there some sort of exemption when it comes to admissions at elite universities? BTW, in case you didn't realize it I have nothing at all to do with the admissions process at Harvard so if you think their incoming class demographics reflect the reasonable inference that Harvard believes certain races must be inferior (at least based on their own admissions) then your beef is with them not me. Harvard was the one who evidently thinks that blacks only deserve to be represented in Harvard at rates that are 60% of their representation in the general population. And this is with their likely strenuous affirmative action programs. Makes you wonder what percentage of blacks they'd admit if forced to go race-blind in admissions. Less than 5% perhaps? Maybe less than 1%?

 

[interchange]

I see the potential positive effects of affirmative action in reducing systemic race/class discrimination as manifesting for future generations. They can alter access disparities by altering difference in power/wealth disparities directly and in providing models for people who identify with discriminated minorities to see that they might be able to achieve a different position in life than what is afforded to them through birth. Few people are truly pioneers. Even if we have the capability to escape what is socialized into us as identity, few are capable of trying without having a leader go first. Affirmative action has the potential to reduce that barrier and make more future leaders embrace that risk.

Of course, it is not without undesirable consequence. In the worst case, it can facilitate people being dependent on that assistance, growing to expect that they deserve a result they contribute nothing to earning and that they are owed such a result instead of such an opportunity.

So I'm neither for nor against affirmative action overall. I think that the biggest problem is that there is not a common and realistic understanding of its purpose, and there is no process to measure how well different affirmative action implementations are doing as to that purpose.

 

[Dulanic]

So I am very torn on this whole topic. I do see racism out in the real world quite often. It's sad that it still happens in todays age. I see a lot of progress being made. On the other hand, I don't "think" this happens in schools etc... but that isn't to say it doesnt.

On the other hand, is it right to say that affirmative action doesn't result in reverse racism? I mean we look at Harvard, they are 52% white, yet the US is overall still ~70% white. Is this because of affirmative action? I don't know, I know asians do tend to work harder in school and they are 22% of harvards student population. Yet asian is only, I beleive, under 4%. Why is this the case?

I think that no quota or goal should be set by race. I think private schools want to have the highest graduation rate possible.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Affirmative action results in small discrimination on an individual biases but corrects large long term systemic discrimination caused by centuries of disenfranchisement. It is a long term societal project to correct a problem. This is one of the big problems our society faces, we are unwilling to make any sacrifices at an individual level to achieve long term goals.

 

[dainthomas]

I thought it was your side that always said "facts have a liberal bias"? Is there some sort of exemption when it comes to admissions at elite universities? BTW, in case you didn't realize it I have nothing at all to do with the admissions process at Harvard so if you think their incoming class demographics reflect the reasonable inference that Harvard believes certain races must be inferior (at least based on their own admissions) then your beef is with them not me. Harvard was the one who evidently thinks that blacks only deserve to be represented in Harvard at rates that are 60% of their representation in the general population. And this is with their likely strenuous affirmative action programs. Makes you wonder what percentage of blacks they'd admit if forced to go race-blind in admissions. Less than 5% perhaps? Maybe less than 1%?

It's almost like there's a systemic issue in the country's K-12 education system. Either that or a certain group is inherently inferior. I wonder which you believe?

 

[Vic]

I thought it was your side that always said "facts have a liberal bias"? Is there some sort of exemption when it comes to admissions at elite universities? BTW, in case you didn't realize it I have nothing at all to do with the admissions process at Harvard so if you think their incoming class demographics reflect the reasonable inference that Harvard believes certain races must be inferior (at least based on their own admissions) then your beef is with them not me. Harvard was the one who evidently thinks that blacks only deserve to be represented in Harvard at rates that are 60% of their representation in the general population. And this is with their likely strenuous affirmative action programs. Makes you wonder what percentage of blacks they'd admit if forced to go race-blind in admissions. Less than 5% perhaps? Maybe less than 1%?

Anyone can skew a statistic to meet their agenda. But thank you for clearly disclosing to everyone your true beliefs on race.

 

[glenn1]

Anyone can skew a statistic to meet their agenda. But thank you for clearly disclosing to everyone your true beliefs on race.

Let's check the rest of the Ivy League for their demographics, focusing on the black admission rates:

Brown 6.3%
Columbia 7.4%
Cornell 6.3%
Dartmouth 9%
Penn 7.3%
Princeton 9%
Yale 11.7%


Sure seems like they're some racists in the Ivies considering how few blacks they admit.

 

[Vic]

Let's check the rest of the Ivy League for their demographics, focusing on the black admission rates:

Brown 6.3%
Columbia 7.4%
Cornell 6.3%
Dartmouth 9%
Penn 7.3%
Princeton 9%
Yale 11.7%


Sure seems like they're some racists in the Ivies considering how few blacks they admit.

And your point is?..

 

[SMOGZINN]

Let's check the rest of the Ivy League for their demographics, focusing on the black admission rates:

Brown 6.3%
Columbia 7.4%
Cornell 6.3%
Dartmouth 9%
Penn 7.3%
Princeton 9%
Yale 11.7%


Sure seems like they're some racists in the Ivies considering how few blacks they admit.

So, you are saying systemic discrimination is systemic? Yes, it is.

 

[brycejones]

And your point is?..

Shit throwing and probably some self ownage without realizing it.

 

[jackstar7]

Let's check the rest of the Ivy League for their demographics, focusing on the black admission rates:

Brown 6.3%
Columbia 7.4%
Cornell 6.3%
Dartmouth 9%
Penn 7.3%
Princeton 9%
Yale 11.7%


Sure seems like they're some racists in the Ivies considering how few blacks they admit.

That you see this as some grand retort to everyone calling you a dipshit is a chef's kiss of perfection.

 

[woolfe9998]

Whites and blacks are already underrepresented relative to overall population at Harvard. As the college no doubt underwent herculean efforts to increase black share of the student body and only reached 10.7% (whereas blacks are 16.09% nationwide) that should provide some data to consider.

https://features.thecrimson.com/2018/freshman-survey/makeup-narrative/

Blacks are about 12% of the US population, not 16.09%. No idea where you got that from.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=Wg...j0i131j0j0i10i67j0i131i67j0i22i30.UznuxYmNFmI

It does go to 14% when considering mixed race.

 

[glenn1]

Blacks are about 12% of the US population, not 16.09%. No idea where you got that from.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=Wg...j0i131j0j0i10i67j0i131i67j0i22i30.UznuxYmNFmI

It does go to 14% when considering mixed race.

Add in black Latinos and it's around 16%.

 

[JSt0rm]

Affirmative action results in small discrimination on an individual biases but corrects large long term systemic discrimination caused by centuries of disenfranchisement. It is a long term societal project to correct a problem. This is one of the big problems our society faces, we are unwilling to make any sacrifices at an individual level to achieve long term goals.

just like climate change.

 

[zinfamous]

Affirmative action results in small discrimination on an individual biases but corrects large long term systemic discrimination caused by centuries of disenfranchisement. It is a long term societal project to correct a problem. This is one of the big problems our society faces, we are unwilling to make any sacrifices at an individual level to achieve long term goals.

Conservatives don't like this pointed out to them because it sounds like too much work and so why bother?

Too hard. Pass.

 

[jackstar7]

Affirmative action results in small discrimination on an individual biases but corrects large long term systemic discrimination caused by centuries of disenfranchisement. It is a long term societal project to correct a problem. This is one of the big problems our society faces, we are unwilling to make any sacrifices at an individual level to achieve long term goals.

"But I didn't get to have slaves! Why should I have to pay for this injustice that I still benefit from and callously perpetuate?" - People claiming we're beyond race and racism is a thing of the past

 

[IJTSSG]

Let's check the rest of the Ivy League for their demographics, focusing on the black admission rates:

Brown 6.3%
Columbia 7.4%
Cornell 6.3%
Dartmouth 9%
Penn 7.3%
Princeton 9%
Yale 11.7%


Sure seems like they're some racists in the Ivies considering how few blacks they admit.

Nothing more racist or bigoted than a northeastern liberal. Nothing.

Of course we all know that the virtue signaling wannabe social justice warriors don't really want equal opportunity. They want to force equal outcomes. There appears to be a lot of evidence out there that says 'more diverse=better' it would just be nice if they were honest about the intention.