Advise please. New Build

HalceonX

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OK, i've spent the last 4 hours reviewing theads here incuding the stickies :) It's been
around 3 years since my last build and I know i'm woefully out of date. But its time to
bite the bullet and build a new machine.

I always get confused by reading to much LOL, I've actually been researching the build
for 2 months now. I do have some general questions right up front.

I have a copy of xp pro. I understand that support for it will end in a couple years.
Should this be a concern for me if decide to build a xp machine. Or should I just go
ahead and build a vista machine. If the later is true why? Besides xp not being supported
at a later date.

I follow the rule of build the best you can to avoid obsolesence. However is 64bit gonna
be worth spending extra on if I decide to go vista or do I really need an I7 to to avoid
another update in say 2 or 3 years.

Also, I was talking to a builder who was telling me that Intel boards with Intel chipset
was the best way to go because they have really fine tuned the marriage of there boards
and chipsets. True or not true. I'm an Asus guy. but have no quams about changing. I am
a fan of whatever is the most reasonable cost effective preformance blending mode that
can be found.

I've done 3 builds all Asus Boards and intel chips.

Quote from Sticky thread here.
nVIDIA chipsets: Stay far away. nVIDIA's newer chipsets have been plagued with instability, and workarounds exist to get SLI working on non-nVIDIA boards. Also, some X58 boards include an nVIDIA chip that allows SLI. Given that a lot of games will hit a CPU wall (Crysis) before they become GPU limited, this is no big deal as I'd only recommend SLI with a top of the line Core i7 build.
/quote

Exactally what Chipsets is he talking about?




I took this from the sticky thread to use as a guide. OK here goes.


1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

Photoshop and Second life are the 2 main programs I run. However I always have at
least 2 IE windows open and maybe a screencap proggie. Currently running ps 7 but
plan on upgrading to CS3 with the new build.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

1300 to 1500 USD Incuding a version of Vista if that seems the reasonably why to go.
Leaning towards a Vista Machine. So minus a Copy of vista from the 1500 dollar limit.

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

USA.. internet shopping. Newegg, Tiger whereever.


4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc, etc, etc, you get the picture.

Intel chipset for sure. 775 or above. Open on anything else.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

All new Parts :)

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.

To many to list really.


7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

Default speeds.

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?

ASAP.. Like to get started ordering parts this weekend.


Final Notes. I'm not real keen on installing motherboards. I've always been a bit
intimidated by it, so in the past I always bought barebones and added the rest of the
hardware and did the configuring. I'm not opposed to learning it though. I'm a bit of
a novice at building. 3 machines to my credit. and the last one 3 years ago.

What I want minimum.
CD/Dvd drive r/rw no bluray needed.
750 gig Minimum HD drive size up to 1.5 TBs if in the price range.
3 gig mimimum Ram with a MB capable to expand to at least 6
I'm looking for stable performance. But I still want to be awe'd by it.

Hope thats it and I get some good responses. If you have any questions i'd be glad
to answer if it helps me get moving. I'm a bit lost and could use the help.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Well as far as the OS Vista64 is definately the way to go, 64bit because it can support 4gb+ of memory where a 32bit OS can only use about 3gb and for a photoshop rig you definately want probably 8gb in your budget range.

I7 will not provide much if any performance improvement over a 775 system for your stated purposes. I7 is mainly a server platform because it processes 8 threads simultaneously and hardly any desktop apps use the extra threads. You should definately go with a 775 system


Gigabyte P45 UDR3 mobo
Q9650
4 x 2gb ddr2-800
ATI 4850 GPU
3x WD640 HDD
quality 400-450w PS

definately get at least 2 hdd's, the most important thing for photoshop is seperate hdd's and lot's of ram
 

HalceonX

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Mar 13, 2009
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COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/ Silver Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

COOLER MASTER UCP RS700-AAAAA3 700W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Power Supply - Retail

Combo Deal $289.98

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?ItemList=Combo.159609

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
2 oz copper PCB + Easy Tune 6 for OC $114.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128359

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail $324.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115130

XFX HD-487A-YDDC Radeon HD 4870 XXX 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail 259.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150338

or this

SAPPHIRE 100270SR Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card $289.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814102809

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $39.99 X 2 for 8 gigs

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231122


$289.98
$114.99
$324.99
$289.99
$39.99
$39.99

Well this is the total so far for what I am considering right at this moment.
And i'm well over a $1000 for the higher quality parts and still need drives and an OS.

Anyone see anything wrong with this picture that they would change?
More suggestions are appreciated. Thanks GuitarDaddy for moving me in a direction and your suggestions.

Thx HalceonX



 

GuitarDaddy

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Looks good

The graphics cards are totally overkill if all you play is second life, but if I had to choose between the two the 4850x2 would be it they are little beasties well worth the extra $30

Does your $1500 budget include monitor? If it does I would consider spending more on the monitor and less on the case/ps and graphics card if necessary. The Cosmos is a nice case but it is really big and heavy and overpriced in IMO but cases are a matter of personal choice

If you stick with the Cosmos I would change to the combo deal with the Corair 850 PS, the combo is the same price + there's a $25 rebate and the Corsair is a better PS
 

vj8usa

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That 4870's massively overpriced. You can get a 1GB 4870 or a GTX260 216 for less than that.
 

HalceonX

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OK cool. looks like 4850 is my Vid card of choice. I choose that case because of the
sound suppression. I talk on voice alot and people complain of noise in the background
even though I have a good noise cancelling mic. My current unit is loud.

I'm open to suggestions on a case, that does seem I bit pricey. I just dont want any
windows or fancy lights, been there done that, done with that. :) Just want a solid well
designed case with noise reduction quality. I like full size tower for workspace.

I found the corsair PS and am going with that. Thanks again.

A monitor is not in the build budget. I have a 22 inch samsung lcd I bought from CC
when they were going out of business.

Any suggestions on HDs. it looks like I can afford 2 good size ones.

Some side notes, The reason i'm going big with stuff is because I didnt with last
build and i regreted it. I've updated ram and vidcard and hds. I dont plan on doing that
with this one. Also, I used to play MMorpg's like DAOC and Starwars, so I theres always
the chance the bug hits me and I decide to play again. The brother is playing Warhammer
and trying to talk me into playing. :)

Also is there any sites I should stay away from when ordering parts. What do you think
of tiger direct?

Thanks again.. HalceonX

Edit: Oh yeah can you suggest a good aftermarket cpu heatsink and fan for thr above cpu.

I know this debate is still going on, but what problems am I going to run into with a 64bit
vista machine.

This post was made in aug of 2008, is it still a valid argument today?

http://www.64xsoft.com/news/Wh...-Fine-For-Now-n11.html
 

GuitarDaddy

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I still think these are the best bang for the buck
WD 640gb black $75

They are the newer high density platters and right up there with the fastest 7200rpm drives. Personally I would get three of these over 2 x 1tb drives. With three drives you could set it up with OS on 1, CS3 on 2, and the scratch drive on 3 assuring you get the best I/O speeds possible

Don't have any experience with tigerdirect, I've used many online sellers but I use newegg pretty much exclusively these days because it's pretty much hassle free and really fast shipping to my location, although they do gouge on shipping in some cases

Xigmatek S1283 $27 after MIR

This HSF performs right up there with the True120 and the Tuniq, but some people don't like the push pin mounting system on it. If that bothers you you can buy a bolt-through kit for it
 

Denithor

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Go with a cheaper case like the Antec Three Hundred. Solid case, great airflow. Add a Corsair 650TX and you're still looking at half the price of the pair you chose above.

Grab a single GTX 260 - there's an XFX model for $170 after mail-in rebate with free shipping at newegg right now. That will be plenty strong enough for you and quieter than the 4850X2 (vacuum cleaner/leaf blower from most of the reviews I've read).

Good choices on cpu & motherboard & ram.

Use the HDD & cooler GuitarDaddy recommended above, they're great.

Finally - stick with your copy of XP Pro for the moment. Windows 7 is supposed to launch either in the summer or fall of this year - save your money for that instead of grabbing Vista. Just use XP until they officially launch Win7 then grab the 64-bit version. You'll only be able to use 3.5GB of RAM until then, but anyway...
 

heyheybooboo

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I was talking to a builder who was telling me that Intel boards with Intel chipset
was the best way to go because they have really fine tuned the marriage of there boards
and chipsets

Be glad you didn't see how they consummated the marriage :shocked:

A quad for the most part is useless in PS. The difference in price between the quad and an e8400 (or PhII 720BE) will buy you a 64-bit OS.

6-8Gb of RAMs

At a minimum you need 3 hard drives: 1) OS/Apps; and 2) & 3) - scratch.
 

DSF

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A good quality case like the Antec Three Hundred or Antec Solo with some quiet fans will be leagues better than your old system. The Cosmos is a lot bigger than you need it to be.

The Solo is a nice case, but it can be cramped to work in.