Advice with a new build, some games

zCypher

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Hey yall,

Been a while since i looked into this, I am helping a family member upgrade their dinosaur of a PC. They are looking to continue playing games like LoL, WoW and get into games like Tera (which their current system can't do apparently), among other things like the usual web and streaming stuff and some video editing that may happen and other games that come out in the next while.

what they had in mind when they came to me was:

case: reuse existing CM 690
psu: evga supernova 80 plus bronze 750w
mobo: asus H170M
cpu: i7 6700k
hsf: deepcool gammax 400
ram: g skill 16GB
gpu: msi R9 390
hdd: 2TB green
o/s: win10 (they are still on XP, afaik they have not received any free upgrade offers, lol)

they've stated a budget between $1000 and $1500, so I am thinking we can upgrade the case, this NZXT seems pretty nice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...146149&cm_re=NZXT_h440-_-11-146-149-_-Product

only issue with that is we're in Canuckistan, and while at $109 that case seems decent, it's $150 here :( so definitely open to case ideas. I've seen a lot of nice cases lately, from Fractal Design, NZXT and of course many others. This person cares about performance/dollar value, and doesn't care too much about how it looks and the size/noise is not that important to them.

looking at something like this for the motherboard instead of the Asus: http://www.ncix.com/detail/gigabyte-z170-hd3-rev-1-0-lga-75-112511-1956.htm , open to ideas as i'm out of the loop a bit, but this one seems to have more USB ports and be a better value, i think.

Definitely looking to stick in a good SSD, 500GB ish size if budget allows. The 16GB RAM is probably more than enough for this user. The video card is probably a bit overkill as they will be at 1080 for some time to come, but they also want to be *somewhat* futureproofed. i suspect that there is a fair bit of wiggle room on the gpu unless they will upgrade to higher resolution ..

i'm somewhat partial to seasonic power supplies, but am open to any ideas or deals going on for something appropriate. not likely that they will expand significantly or add multiple gpu or anything.

for the cpu cooler, some corsair watercooling units are interesting, or otherwise a trusty 212 EVO might be an ideal standard choice.. i welcome any new ideas on that front.

for the cpu itself, i feel like it might be overkill, but i'd like your thoughts. they want to futureproof to a point, but i know there is always a sweet spot for performance/value, and typically the cpu is not the bottleneck.

really appreciate any and all feedback, thank you!
 

XavierMace

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I've got the Razer edition H440 and love it. Keep in mind that case has no optical drive bays. That's one of the reasons I like it but some people don't notice it and wanted one. Going off PCpartspicker, I don't see your build coming in at your desired price range.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.98 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($148.25 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($152.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($147.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($198.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.00 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($447.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($146.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($179.00 @ shopRBC)
Total: $1917.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-08 03:48 EDT-0400

I dropped it down to the 6600K as the 6700K isn't worth it. Going with a 212 EVO instead of a CLC would save another $100. IMO, spending this much on a computer and NOT having a decent SSD in it is unforgivable. The video card alone is using about 1/3rd your budget. I'm not sure it's worth sacrificing in other areas (such as the SSD) just to get that card.
 

MongGrel

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I've got the Razer edition H440 and love it. Keep in mind that case has no optical drive bays. That's one of the reasons I like it but some people don't notice it and wanted one. Going off PCpartspicker, I don't see your build coming in at your desired price range.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.98 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($148.25 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($152.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($147.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($198.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($87.00 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($447.50 @ Vuugo)
Case: NZXT H440 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($146.50 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($179.00 @ shopRBC)
Total: $1917.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-08 03:48 EDT-0400

I dropped it down to the 6600K as the 6700K isn't worth it. Going with a 212 EVO instead of a CLC would save another $100. IMO, spending this much on a computer and NOT having a decent SSD in it is unforgivable. The video card alone is using about 1/3rd your budget. I'm not sure it's worth sacrificing in other areas (such as the SSD) just to get that card.

+1

I think I'd still fork out for a 6700K if doing it new atm.

Seasonic on a PSU I agree with, I use a lot of Anteds, but most of those are Seasonic or Delta made anyways.

Just an air cooler user myself over water AIO's, but just the savings right there could be enough for a small Crucial BX100 SSD or something just to run the OS.

Couldn't you buy and older version of Windows 7 cheaper atm and still just upgrade to X for free ?

But maybe they want a hard copy.

*edit* reread the Win section, there are ways to do it with what they have, that would be another $180 off.

IMHO, from what I've seen some people post about the newer Gigabytes, I'd stick with the ASUS.

My two cents on that one.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Going with the 6700K may be overkill for now, but if the keep their computer for more than five years, it may not be overkill then.

But if you are going with a "K" CPU, you might as well get a "Z" chipset board to go with it. I've been eyeing the Gigabyte GA-Z170X-UD5 board, for $189.99 USD at Newegg.
 

crashtech

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The 6600K is very capable if some cuts need to be made, and if we are to discuss "sweet spots" for price/perf, that is definitely where the unlocked i5 lives.
 

Ken g6

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I tried working on Xavier's build to get it down to $1500. Didn't quite get there:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.98 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.95 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: *ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($159.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($198.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.50 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: *EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card ($399.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Cooler Master 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: *EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($179.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1586.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-08 11:48 EDT-0400

I did upgrade the RAM speed as that seems to help a lot with Skylake.
 

XavierMace

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I tried working on Xavier's build to get it down to $1500. Didn't quite get there:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.98 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.95 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: *ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($134.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($159.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($198.88 @ Canada Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.50 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: *EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card ($399.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: Cooler Master 690 III ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: *EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM (64-bit) ($179.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1586.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-08 11:48 EDT-0400

I did upgrade the RAM speed as that seems to help a lot with Skylake.

Yeah, mine was just a quick attempt in between putting out IT fires at work.
 

zCypher

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Thanks for all the great replies, I'm taking them all into consideration to figure out the best way to go. I am questioning the choice of a K CPU, as I do not believe this person will do any overclocking. I guess leaving the possibility open is always good if they decide to at some point, but is there another benefit to having a K, aside from it being unlocked?

What I am mulling over so far now is:

6600K - $324.99 (NCIX)
H440 - $149.98 (NCIX)
ASRock Z170 PRO4S - $134.99 (NCIX)
Hyper 212 EVO - $24.99 (NCIX)
EVGA 600W 80 Plus Bronze - $69.99 (NCIX)

Off hand does anyone know if the EVGA is a Seasonic unit? I did a quick search for Seasonic and in the 600W range, not seeing much. I see the 600ES and 600ET, both just under 90 bucks, both 80 Plus Bronze as well. Otherwise the next Seasonic up is a 650W at $119, the S12G, Gold certified. What about the Cooler Master G650M semi-modular, on sale for $89.99 + can get $20 MIR. not sure which way to go here..

Looks like there is quite a bit of variation in price between a basic 16 gig DDR3 1600 kit and 16 gig DDR 3 or DDR 4 2400 or higher. In what actual cases would a user be able to really discern any difference among them? If it's worth it, is the 16GB G.Skill DDR4 2400 at $138 (free shipping at DirectCanada) a good deal?
 
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zCypher

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Update, what i've got now...

$69.99 - Corsair Carbide 200R
$69.99 - CM G650M 80+ Bronze semi-modular
$134.99 - ASRock Z170 PRO4S
$105.97 - 16GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 CL9
$324.99 - 6600K
$24.99 - CM 212 EVO
$224.99 - 500GB Samsung 850 EVO
$175.97 - 4TB WD Green
$319.99 - 4GB MSI R9 380 TwinFrozr

$1451.87

free shipping and no provincial tax on all of them, so might just barely bust their $1500 budget.

I left out Windows as it turns out they may be able to get it free from school.

What do you guys think? From what I read online, the actual difference in performance between DDR3 and DDR4 and between 1600 and 2400MHz was so tiny that I don' think I could justify the price difference. $105 for 16GB CL9 seems like a reasonable deal for now.

Edit: dammit, this mobo does not appear to support DDR3, will have to recheck ..
 
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Ken g6

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What about the Cooler Master G650M semi-modular, on sale for $89.99 + can get $20 MIR.

Huh. Not bad. Not Seasonic-good, but similar to EVGA bronze PSUs in general.

$105.97 - 16GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 CL9
Nope, I think all Z170 boards require DDR4. Some H170s and B150s can use DDR3, but all the ones I've seen for sale so far only support one or the other.

What happened to keeping the existing case?

$319.99 - 4GB MSI R9 380 TwinFrozr

And that's a low-end lower-end, or mid-range video card. Although looking back at the OP, I see a bunch of MMORPGs that don't need a high-end video card. :hmm:
 

zCypher

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Yeah, just realized the RAM thing. So either step back to previous gen i5 + DDR3 or pay the bit extra for DDR4. The G.Skill DDR4 at $138 seems alright, still close to budget.

We can always reuse the old case if needed, but a newer case with good cable management is always nice.

They will be gaming in 1080 for the immediate future, so I figure the savings in the GPU is probably worthwhile. It's likely that better gaming hardware will be cheaper by the time they upgrade screens. Seems like it would still cost a lot to have 1080 performance at 4K.. I think even removing the case from the equation doesn't bridge the price gap betewen the 380 and 390
 

zCypher

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They decided to go with the 6600K and R9 380 and downgrade the hard drives a little bit (256GB/2TB instead of 500GB/4TB) to have some money left over for the case, and a few other things. For what they will be doing, I am confident this setup is going to serve them well for years.

The guidance is much appreciated, anandtech delivers, as always. Thanks!