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advice on a low end value combo
- Thread starter rorpan
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Giving your budget/use for the computer would really help.
This might be something of interest to you, however. It is really a shot in the dark, but as the cheapest way you are going to be able to get a dual core setup right now, maybe it is what you are looking for.
If you have a little more money to spend, you could go with a higher quality mobo than either of the options offered in the combo and some good oc'ing ram. Fix that chip up with the right mobo/ram/cooler and you will not believe the oc/performance you will be able to get out of it.
This might be something of interest to you, however. It is really a shot in the dark, but as the cheapest way you are going to be able to get a dual core setup right now, maybe it is what you are looking for.
If you have a little more money to spend, you could go with a higher quality mobo than either of the options offered in the combo and some good oc'ing ram. Fix that chip up with the right mobo/ram/cooler and you will not believe the oc/performance you will be able to get out of it.
Safe to say he did mean an X2 3800+ ...
And at stock speeds, the 3800 is definitely the better (and more expensive) choice. If you have no intentions of overclocking, the 3800+ is the processor to get.
However, if you are an experienced overclocker, or have the desire to learn/experiment with overclocking, then the 805 will not disappoint.
There have been quite a few stories of the 805 getting to 3.5ghz and beyond, while staying at stock voltage(!).
This is a good article if you want to see just how high the 805 can go, how to get it there, and the benefits of oc'ing it that much.
EDIT: A couple of other interesting reads if considering the 805: Here and here
The 805 may overclock well but so do most of low speed cores (including the X2 3800 and the E6300). This is one area I have to fully agree with Anandtech there is no reason to choose a Pentium 4 based chip. If your not overclocking the 805 it is a dismal processor when compared to other dual cores, and when overclocked its still lacking when compared to other overclocked non Pentium 4 cores. The only advantage the 805 has over any other dual core is its price, but that advantage quickly disapears with the purchase of any overclocking components.
Quite simply, if you need a dual core, then you dont need an 805.
Quite simply, if you need a dual core, then you dont need an 805.
There is no denying that the 805 is the slowest dual-core processor available, and that even with overclocking factored into the equation, it still has some very serious short-comings.
But I am going to have to disagree with your last statement. Dual-core anything can have certain benefits over single-core counterparts, even something as low end as the 805.
I also disagree with Anandtech about there being "no reason to choose a P4 based chip". As cool as it has become to hate the power hungry, heat producing Netburst architecture, at a certain price point, it can become a viable option for a low end PC.
I think that at under $90 for a dual-core processor, and a motherboard for under $50, Intel has hit that price point.
I realize we are only talking about a few dollars here, but the 805 is not under $90 unless you are looking at an OEM processor. Either add in the measly $4 for retail (using neweggs prices) or your argument holds no water since an aftermarket cooler would eliminate the cost advantage. Also when you get into $50 motherboards overclocking options usually become somewhat limited, not saying that its not possible, but fine tuming an overclock can be severly hindered on one of these boards.
Now the real meat of the subject. You are right "Dual-core anything can have certain benefits over single-core counterparts" but in the same mannor a faster single core part can have certain benefits over a slower dual-core counterparts. My arguement is some people would not see a benifit in a slower dual core as opposed to a faster single core, in this case the 805 is a pittifull choice if you don't NEED dual core. On the flip side dual core would have more benifit to someone that actually stresses thier system, the problem is if you actually stress your system the 805 is a poor choice.
Then you have to consider system longevity if you do stress your system enough to require a dual core then how long will the 805 be an acceptable solution? Of course you could upgrade to a E6300 if the 805 failed to meet your needs, but then you just wasted money on the 805 and if that $50 motherboard doesn't support the E6300 where does that leave you?
The PD 805 might have a certain appeal at first but the more you look at it the less appealing it becomes.
Now the real meat of the subject. You are right "Dual-core anything can have certain benefits over single-core counterparts" but in the same mannor a faster single core part can have certain benefits over a slower dual-core counterparts. My arguement is some people would not see a benifit in a slower dual core as opposed to a faster single core, in this case the 805 is a pittifull choice if you don't NEED dual core. On the flip side dual core would have more benifit to someone that actually stresses thier system, the problem is if you actually stress your system the 805 is a poor choice.
Then you have to consider system longevity if you do stress your system enough to require a dual core then how long will the 805 be an acceptable solution? Of course you could upgrade to a E6300 if the 805 failed to meet your needs, but then you just wasted money on the 805 and if that $50 motherboard doesn't support the E6300 where does that leave you?
The PD 805 might have a certain appeal at first but the more you look at it the less appealing it becomes.
I am not saying that the 805 is a good choice for everyone, or even a good choice for people on a budget, but being the most affordable way to get into the dual-core scene, it is an option for some people.
The OP wanted some recommendations for a new mobo/cpu; I suggested the 805 as a shot in the dark.
It is not the be all end all of budget performance, and I agree that the market for it is small, but I feel as if there is a market for it.
I was simply trying to get the OP started on a decent budget machine. Were he to give me more requirements for the machine, what it is going to be used for, the exact budget, etc. I may have made a different choice.
Assuredly I was not trying to start any controversy, and I apologize if I have offended or mislead.
The OP wanted some recommendations for a new mobo/cpu; I suggested the 805 as a shot in the dark.
It is not the be all end all of budget performance, and I agree that the market for it is small, but I feel as if there is a market for it.
I was simply trying to get the OP started on a decent budget machine. Were he to give me more requirements for the machine, what it is going to be used for, the exact budget, etc. I may have made a different choice.
Assuredly I was not trying to start any controversy, and I apologize if I have offended or mislead.
I understand your recomendation was a shot in the dark, I also understand that you might think the 805 has a market (however small it may be). If you still feel that way then fine thats your opinion and your welcome to it, I just dont agree with you.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there is a market for the 805 that I don't understand or agree with.
Either way, what I wrote was my opinion, you don't have to agree with it. I just don't see the 805 having an appeal for the type of people that would come to an enthusiast site such as this. Actually I dont see the appeal of an 805 for anyone considering the options out there. IMO the 805 is either a low cost poor performer, or by the time you get the performance to adequate levels it is no longer a low enough cost solution (Damned if you do, damned if you don't type of thing). At least that is my opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there is a market for the 805 that I don't understand or agree with.
Either way, what I wrote was my opinion, you don't have to agree with it. I just don't see the 805 having an appeal for the type of people that would come to an enthusiast site such as this. Actually I dont see the appeal of an 805 for anyone considering the options out there. IMO the 805 is either a low cost poor performer, or by the time you get the performance to adequate levels it is no longer a low enough cost solution (Damned if you do, damned if you don't type of thing). At least that is my opinion.
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