Advice needed for a new E8500/Wolfsdale build

Mithan

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Hi guys, I've read the sticky at the top but am still a bit confused here....

I am planning on buying the following in the next two weeks or so:

-Intel E8500
-Gigabyte P35 DS4
-G.SKILL F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK PC2-6400 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-800 CL4-4-4-12
-Zalman CPU Cooler, unsure of model number...


The E8500 runs at 9.5 x 333mhz.


Being new to the Intel over clock scene, I am guessing that all I basically need to do is keep the ratio at 1:1, the clock multiplier at 9.5 and then increase the FSB from 333mhz to whatever I want. I realize this is a over simplification, but I think its the main gist without going into what my board can take, V's, etc.

What screws me up is the following:

Say I increase the FSB to 400 mhz, all I need for memory is DDR2 800, correct? As long as my FSB is half the memory bandwitch, I should be good, right?


Anyways, I am hoping to be able to do between 350-400mhz with the GSKILL DDR2 800 I mentioned up above, at 9.5 clock, with the overall goal being to get something around 3.5-3.7gig for my overall STABLE clock speed. I am not trying to set any records here and may even drop to the E8400, but I am wondering if this is the gist of it :)



Will this work or am I totally off base?

Thanks.
 

tallman45

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Couple of thoughts

1) Save $80 or so $$ and get the E8400
2) Go with an X38 Chipset MB X38 DS4 ($20 more than the P35 DS4)

In the long run you will be happier, the X38 will be more likely to get more out of the new E8xxx CPU 's
 

The-Noid

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If running single card shouldn't make much of a difference if you run the x38 of p35...
 

Mithan

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Thanks for the info guys, but am I on base as far as the actual process goes for OVERCLOCKING?
 

ghost recon88

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Originally posted by: MithanSay I increase the FSB to 400 mhz, all I need for memory is DDR2 800, correct? As long as my FSB is half the memory bandwitch, I should be good, right?

Thanks.

Correct. However with the new Wolfdale CPUs, you're gonna be going past 500MHz FSB, so you may want to make sure to ether get DDR2-6400 that has D9 chips on them, or a DDR2-8000 kit. I'd personally recommend this one here, some people are hitting higher than 1100MHz. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231145
 

The-Noid

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Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Originally posted by: MithanSay I increase the FSB to 400 mhz, all I need for memory is DDR2 800, correct? As long as my FSB is half the memory bandwitch, I should be good, right?

Thanks.

Correct. However with the new Wolfdale CPUs, you're gonna be going past 500MHz FSB, so you may want to make sure to ether get DDR2-6400 that has D9 chips on them, or a DDR2-8000 kit. I'd personally recommend this one here, some people are hitting higher than 1100MHz. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231145

The IC's on that G.Skill Set are Powerchip.

450 or around is going to be your max fsb though.

With DDR3 going down in price daily maybe it is time to switch as well...
 

Mithan

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Originally posted by: MithanSay I increase the FSB to 400 mhz, all I need for memory is DDR2 800, correct? As long as my FSB is half the memory bandwitch, I should be good, right?

Thanks.

Correct. However with the new Wolfdale CPUs, you're gonna be going past 500MHz FSB, so you may want to make sure to ether get DDR2-6400 that has D9 chips on them, or a DDR2-8000 kit. I'd personally recommend this one here, some people are hitting higher than 1100MHz. http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231145

The IC's on that G.Skill Set are Powerchip.

450 or around is going to be your max fsb though.

With DDR3 going down in price daily maybe it is time to switch as well...



Yes but, if you went with a 9.5x multiplier and a 400 FSB, you would end up overclocking that E8500 to 3800 mhz.

Wouldn't that work and still be well within the tolerance for that brand of Ram?
 

The-Noid

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I hit 450 fsb fairly easy with one of these chips.

Also yes it will be well within the tolerances of the ram, but you can always run the ram faster than 1:1.

With newer bios and strapping support memory actually does provide an advantage when run asynchronously to fsb.
 

Mithan

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
I hit 450 fsb fairly easy with one of these chips.

Also yes it will be well within the tolerances of the ram, but you can always run the ram faster than 1:1.

With newer bios and strapping support memory actually does provide an advantage when run asynchronously to fsb.

Heh, thanks, but I am a noob to overclocking, so while I want to get a LITTLE speed increase, I am not looking for anything too drastic like what you have in your signature :)


As I said in the initial post, the E8500 is 3.16ghz, if I could bump that up to about ~3.5ghz without too much trouble, and on the cheap, then I am more than happy :)

 

BlueAcolyte

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Then you want the E8400... The E8500 is priced $80 higher and for what you're looking for, you could get the E8400 and hit that goal no sweat (9x400=3.6GHz)
 

The-Noid

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Originally posted by: BlueAcolyte
Then you want the E8400... The E8500 is priced $80 higher and for what you're looking for, you could get the E8400 and hit that goal no sweat (9x400=3.6GHz)

Could even go down to the E8300/E8200 If you are only trying for 3.5 ghz.

E8400 seems to be the best price/performance of the newest chips though.
 

Mithan

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Thanks for the info guys, you are more than helpful with my questions...


Ya, I could change down to the 8400 and probably will. As I said, I am not looking for anything crazy, just a nice little boost "cause I can".

My system is mostly for games, but I prefer stability to an extra 5 FPS...




One last question. I am going to assume that the standard Intel Fan will be ok up to about 3.6-3.8ghz?

From prior experience, Intel fans were usually pretty good. I remember over-clocking my ancient Celery 300a to 450mhz with the factory Intel fan :)
 

The-Noid

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Intel fan is actually quite small for the 45nm part.

I would recommend another heatsink.

Even the 65nm intel fan would be a large stepup from the 45nm fan.

I can't really show pictures because of NDA. But imagine the 65nm part cut in half and no copper just aluminum.
 

Tempered81

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy

450 or around is going to be your max fsb though.

With DDR3 going down in price daily maybe it is time to switch as well...

why is 450 the max, i've seen guys hitting 570 on e8400 es's
 

ghost recon88

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Originally posted by: jaredpace
Originally posted by: Yoxxy

450 or around is going to be your max fsb though.

With DDR3 going down in price daily maybe it is time to switch as well...

why is 450 the max, i've seen guys hitting 570 on e8400 es's

They are. Its just the quads are hitting a FSB wall of 450. A lot of the dual-cores are screaming over 500MHz+ on the FSB.
 

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Intel fan is actually quite small for the 45nm part.

I would recommend another heatsink.

Even the 65nm intel fan would be a large stepup from the 45nm fan.

I can't really show pictures because of NDA. But imagine the 65nm part cut in half and no copper just aluminum.

So the Celeron 440 fan, then? I can't imagine that's under NDA - Intel ships that fan with the E2200 chips now. (Unfortunately.)
 

tallman45

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Originally posted by: Yoxxy
If running single card shouldn't make much of a difference if you run the x38 of p35...

True, except the X38 has native support for the 45nm procs, P35 needed a Bios upgrade, which may already be done

Getting a new processor Family mixed in with a discontinued NB chipset is not the greatest idea
 
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Originally posted by: jaredpace
Originally posted by: Yoxxy

450 or around is going to be your max fsb though.

With DDR3 going down in price daily maybe it is time to switch as well...

why is 450 the max, i've seen guys hitting 570 on e8400 es's

He meant the G.Skill RAM the OP's looking at would limit him to around 450FSB.
 

tallman45

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Its very odd that Intel would go to the extra effort in R&D and manufacturing to go out of their way to intentionally make a smaller HSF for the E8400, why would they not just use the Celeron HSF