Advice for Republicans Thread

[Infohawk]

Well... there's been a lot of threads recently purporting to help out Democrats and liberals by giving advice on how to win next time. Most of the time, these amount to giving the same old baseless criticisms and using an appeal to popularity (the election) to bolster them. But you know, in the spirit of healing, I would like to return the favor with some advice.

Open your hearts conservatives. Here are some tips to make sure you win the next election too and to turn your party into a better one.

1. Stop being so negative. Nukes going off in big cities, wolves in the woods. Come on. Try and stay positive. Americans like positive feelings. Get with the program.
2. Stop hating. Americans are turned off by your hatred of gays and liberals. Jesus loved everyone, including sinners. Try and learn from him.
3. Accept that not everyone is a fundamentalist / born again christian. This country was founded on the idea that you could decide your beliefs. Stop trying to legislate your religion on other people.
4. Try to continue your slide into fascism. First it was the ubiquitous flag lapel pins. Then it was the black box voting machines. What's next? Silencing your opposition with force? A one-party state?
5. Stop treating poor people like lazy slobs. The average American isn't rich. Try and move towards the middle.

Conservatives, I hope this was helpful... I know I got a lot out of your advice.


I invite others to give their advice to Republicans as well...

 

[gsaldivar]

The losers giving the winners advice?

 

[Gravity]

To the victor go the spoils of war!!!

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: gsaldivar
The losers giving the winners advice?

Yes. Advice on how to improve your party and win future elections.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: gsaldivar
The losers giving the winners advice?

Yes. Advice on how to improve your party and win future elections.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: gsaldivar
The losers giving the winners advice?

Yes. Advice on how to improve your party and win future elections.

They did pretty well in this one, eh?


But, 2006 could be a different story. The left is enraged right now. Just depends on if they can organize themselves or not.

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Well... there's been a lot of threads recently purporting to help out Democrats and liberals by giving advice on how to win next time. Most of the time, these amount to giving the same old baseless criticisms and using an appeal to popularity (the election) to bolster them. But you know, in the spirit of healing, I would like to return the favor with some advice.

Open your hearts conservatives. Here are some tips to make sure you win the next election too and to turn your party into a better one.

1. Stop being so negative. Nukes going off in big cities, wolves in the woods. Come on. Try and stay positive. Americans like positive feelings. Get with the program.
2. Stop hating. Americans are turned off by your hatred of gays and liberals. Jesus loved everyone, including sinners. Try and learn from him.
3. Accept that not everyone is a fundamentalist / born again christian. This country was founded on the idea that you could decide your beliefs. Stop trying to legislate your religion on other people.
4. Try to continue your slide into fascism. First it was the ubiquitous flag lapel pins. Then it was the black box voting machines. What's next? Silencing your opposition with force? A one-party state?
5. Stop treating poor people like lazy slobs. The average American isn't rich. Try and move towards the middle.

Conservatives, I hope this was helpful... I know I got a lot out of your advice.


I invite others to give their advice to Republicans as well...

Are you calling Gay's sinners ?

 

[assemblage]

Thanks for participating.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

What the left must do to win future elections is to not organize themselves based upon hatred or animosity of an administration. We must organize ourselves upon the principles that we stand for, and we must convince America that our vision for America is the better choice. In order to do this, we must first find out what unifies Democrats and what we can do to bring more people into this party.

I really think that, like it or not, God must find a way back into the party. This is going to piss off a lot of people in the party, but it will likely draw those to it that were on the fence this election and went Bush. Those are the people we need to win elections, and if we want to win we have to get as many of them as possible.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: conjur
The left is enraged right now. Just depends on if they can organize themselves or not.

I think disorganized & introspective would be more accurate, let's see, the presidency, the house, the senate, legislative branch is next....

Or are you ignoring the Democratic leadership?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Are you calling Gay's sinners ?

No. I'm saying that many Republicans think they are and that if you do consider them sinners, you should love them anyway.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Well... there's been a lot of threads recently purporting to help out Democrats and liberals by giving advice on how to win next time. Most of the time, these amount to giving the same old baseless criticisms and using an appeal to popularity (the election) to bolster them. But you know, in the spirit of healing, I would like to return the favor with some advice.

Open your hearts conservatives. Here are some tips to make sure you win the next election too and to turn your party into a better one.

1. Stop being so negative. Nukes going off in big cities, wolves in the woods. Come on. Try and stay positive. Americans like positive feelings. Get with the program.
2. Stop hating. Americans are turned off by your hatred of gays and liberals. Jesus loved everyone, including sinners. Try and learn from him.
3. Accept that not everyone is a fundamentalist / born again christian. This country was founded on the idea that you could decide your beliefs. Stop trying to legislate your religion on other people.
4. Try to continue your slide into fascism. First it was the ubiquitous flag lapel pins. Then it was the black box voting machines. What's next? Silencing your opposition with force? A one-party state?
5. Stop treating poor people like lazy slobs. The average American isn't rich. Try and move towards the middle.

Conservatives, I hope this was helpful... I know I got a lot out of your advice.


I invite others to give their advice to Republicans as well...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! whats ironic is that we see you in the many of the ways you mentioned.
2) We dont hate anyone, we want an end to the racist/sexist practice of affirmitive action. We believe that everyone is deserving of equal opportunity and that everyone will have that equal opportunity.
3) We know this, thats why we havent legislated the Ten Commandments into law. Jesus said love the sinner, hate the sin.
4) When CNN, MSNBC, CBS, the NYT, et all liberal rags start mysteriousl having large blocks or voice or text cut out, then you can be worried. Untill then, we are as much facists as you libbies are communists.
5) The left is the one that perpetuates class warfare. We also believe in giving back what one has paid, not redistobution of wealth. Try and move towords the right, a lot.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Well... there's been a lot of threads recently purporting to help out Democrats and liberals by giving advice on how to win next time. Most of the time, these amount to giving the same old baseless criticisms and using an appeal to popularity (the election) to bolster them. But you know, in the spirit of healing, I would like to return the favor with some advice.

Open your hearts conservatives. Here are some tips to make sure you win the next election too and to turn your party into a better one.

1. Stop being so negative. Nukes going off in big cities, wolves in the woods. Come on. Try and stay positive. Americans like positive feelings. Get with the program.
2. Stop hating. Americans are turned off by your hatred of gays and liberals. Jesus loved everyone, including sinners. Try and learn from him.
3. Accept that not everyone is a fundamentalist / born again christian. This country was founded on the idea that you could decide your beliefs. Stop trying to legislate your religion on other people.
4. Try to continue your slide into fascism. First it was the ubiquitous flag lapel pins. Then it was the black box voting machines. What's next? Silencing your opposition with force? A one-party state?
5. Stop treating poor people like lazy slobs. The average American isn't rich. Try and move towards the middle.

Conservatives, I hope this was helpful... I know I got a lot out of your advice.


I invite others to give their advice to Republicans as well...

Are you calling Gay's sinners ?

Sure he is, according to the Bible they would definitely be sinners, as are all of us.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: conjur
The left is enraged right now. Just depends on if they can organize themselves or not.

I think disorganized & introspective would be more accurate, let's see, the presidency, the house, the senate, legislative branch is next....

Or are you ignoring the Democratic leadership?

I'm talking about the voters. They are the ones that will force the hands of the DNC and the DLC.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: conjur
The left is enraged right now. Just depends on if they can organize themselves or not.

I think disorganized & introspective would be more accurate, let's see, the presidency, the house, the senate, legislative branch is next....

Or are you ignoring the Democratic leadership?

I'm talking about the voters. They are the ones that will force the hands of the DNC and the DLC.

Ok...

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
What the left must do to win future elections is to not organize themselves based upon hatred or animosity of an administration. We must organize ourselves upon the principles that we stand for, and we must convince America that our vision for America is the better choice. In order to do this, we must first find out what unifies Democrats and what we can do to bring more people into this party.

I really think that, like it or not, God must find a way back into the party. This is going to piss off a lot of people in the party, but it will likely draw those to it that were on the fence this election and went Bush. Those are the people we need to win elections, and if we want to win we have to get as many of them as possible.

:thumbsup:

I voted for Harry Browne in the last two elections. I've never voted for a Democrat before, since I'm a slightly right leaning libertarian. However I honestly considered voting Kerry this summer when the campaigns started rolling. I disagree strongly with the Iraq war, and I don't like bible thumpers.

Then I came to this forum.

The level of hatred drove me to vote Libertarian again. I'd rather vote my conscience and see another four years of Bush than to see a party of unbridled hatred running the show.

I don't know how many people there are like me, but I couldn't have been the only one. If the left continues to become more "enraged" then I think they're dooming themselves to lose even more influence. For the supposed party of tolerance, they sure seemed to be very intolerant this year.

Edit: I don't know about the God part though. I think the Dems can find a way to show that they're for morality without getting God involved.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: MidasKnight

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Well... there's been a lot of threads recently purporting to help out Democrats and liberals by giving advice on how to win next time. Most of the time, these amount to giving the same old baseless criticisms and using an appeal to popularity (the election) to bolster them. But you know, in the spirit of healing, I would like to return the favor with some advice.

Open your hearts conservatives. Here are some tips to make sure you win the next election too and to turn your party into a better one.

1. Stop being so negative. Nukes going off in big cities, wolves in the woods. Come on. Try and stay positive. Americans like positive feelings. Get with the program.
2. Stop hating. Americans are turned off by your hatred of gays and liberals. Jesus loved everyone, including sinners. Try and learn from him.
3. Accept that not everyone is a fundamentalist / born again christian. This country was founded on the idea that you could decide your beliefs. Stop trying to legislate your religion on other people.
4. Try to continue your slide into fascism. First it was the ubiquitous flag lapel pins. Then it was the black box voting machines. What's next? Silencing your opposition with force? A one-party state?
5. Stop treating poor people like lazy slobs. The average American isn't rich. Try and move towards the middle.

Conservatives, I hope this was helpful... I know I got a lot out of your advice.


I invite others to give their advice to Republicans as well...

Are you calling Gay's sinners ?

All of us are sinners. Gays are the one of the few that intentionally and knowing progress on the path of sin.

But, 2006 could be a different story. The left is enraged right now. Just depends on if they can organize themselves or not.

Too bad the left is full of incompetent fools. At least in the political arena, anyway. Face it, we have half a dozen guys that could stomp on your best.

 

[cwjerome]

Anti-everything :thumbsup:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I find your observations pretty humerous.

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Well... there's been a lot of threads recently purporting to help out Democrats and liberals by giving advice on how to win next time. Most of the time, these amount to giving the same old baseless criticisms and using an appeal to popularity (the election) to bolster them. But you know, in the spirit of healing, I would like to return the favor with some advice.

Open your hearts conservatives. Here are some tips to make sure you win the next election too and to turn your party into a better one.

1. Stop being so negative. Nukes going off in big cities, wolves in the woods. Come on. Try and stay positive. Americans like positive feelings. Get with the program.

I don't think it was the conservatives talking about nukes going off in big cities. Read through the election threads and it's the other way around; claiming the hicks didn't care because it was the cities that would be nuked.

2. Stop hating. Americans are turned off by your hatred of gays and liberals. Jesus loved everyone, including sinners. Try and learn from him.

For a group that has such an intense hatred of Bush and rural dewellers, it's kind of hard to take that advice. It gives the appearance of - Do as I say, but not as I do.

3. Accept that not everyone is a fundamentalist / born again christian. This country was founded on the idea that you could decide your beliefs. Stop trying to legislate your religion on other people.

Strawman. The Bush admin is not legislating religion on anyone. If you didn't go to church last Sunday, did you get a summons in the mail or did the Evangelical SWAT Team show up at your door with warrant in hand?

Your statement is hyperbole. I'm agnostic and I have seen no indication of religion being legislated whatsoever. Stop with the scare tactics and fearmongering.

4. Try to continue your slide into fascism. First it was the ubiquitous flag lapel pins. Then it was the black box voting machines. What's next? Silencing your opposition with force? A one-party state?

Saying this is like claiming the liberals are advocating a free fall into a moral abyss where gays will corrupt your children, STDs will proliferate, and we'll all be stone-faced, babbling, drug addled losers. It's more scare tactics and fearmongering.

5. Stop treating poor people like lazy slobs. The average American isn't rich. Try and move towards the middle.

Stop treating rich people like self-centered bufoons who are full of greed and avarice.

Conservatives, I hope this was helpful... I know I got a lot out of your advice.


I invite others to give their advice to Republicans as well...

Your advice was about as helpful as teats on a boar hog.

 

[conjur]

The Republican Party needs to stop crap like this right fvcking now:


'Absolute Truth'
Tom DeLay is certain that Christian family values will solve America's problems. But he's uncertain how to face his own family.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...=A6825-2001May9&no

...As we leave First Baptist, I ask DeLay about the many citizens who would be quite uncomfortable with the idea that he would mold the government in the belief that his religion ? fundamentalist Christianity ? had the only answers to society's problems.

DeLay looks me squarely in the eye and shakes his head sadly. "When faced with the truth, the truth hurts. It is human nature not to face that . . . People hate the messenger. That's why they killed Christ."

And so Tom DeLay makes it perfectly clear that his personal mission is to reshape the moral fabric of the nation, to remake it more in his likeness. But who, exactly, is Tom DeLay and what does he really believe America should look like?

Tom DeLay, 54, dates the start of his rebirth as a Christian to a traumatic insight in his freshman year in Congress, 1985, when he was caught up in the whirl of Washington. A Republican House colleague, Frank Wolf of Virginia, warned DeLay, then 38, about the personal stress of politics and urged him to watch a religious video about Christian fatherhood.

By his own estimate, DeLay was then drinking "8, 10, 12 martinis a night at receptions and fundraisers" and he was beginning to hurt. DeLay watched the video ? in which James Dobson, a child psychologist and noted Christian family guru, preached on the damage done by fathers too busy to love their children ? and "I started crying because I had missed my daughter's whole childhood," he says. "It was awful. My daughter in third grade asked her mother 'if somebody adopted Daddy,' because he was never around."

The truth revealed that day was that "I was totally self-centered. It was me, me, me, me, me. It was golf or my business or politics that came first. It told me what a jerk I really was," he says. "You cannot throw off your self-centeredness. That's the problem of our culture. You can't love someone unless you are loved, and being loved by the Lord changes that."...

...So the 2000 presidential election was not mere politics to DeLay, but an apocalyptic "battle for souls." In this struggle between good and evil, virtually all man-made government programs, philosophies and "-isms" favored by Democrats and liberals are doomed utopian dreams because they are not inspired by God. As he described the coming 2000 vote in a red-meat speech to the Christian Coalition last fall: "Will this country accept the worldviews of humanism, materialism, sexism, naturalism, postmodernism or any of the other -isms? Or will we march forward with a biblical worldview, a worldview that says God is our creator, that man is a sinner, and that we will save this country by changing the hearts and minds of Americans? . . . We have the House and the Senate. All we need is the presidency!"

Here's a tip for ya, DeLay, it's still about "you, you, you, you, you."

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

DeLay can try whatever he wants. According to Bush:

"I will be your president regardless of your faith, and I don't expect you to agree with me necessarily on religion," Bush said. "As a matter of fact, no president should ever try to impose religion on our society. ... The great thing that unites is the fact you can worship freely if you choose, and if you ? you don't have to worship."

DeLay can try all he wants to impose religion on government. He has a mighty strong piece of paper standing in his way though that prevents him from doing just that.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
1. Stop being so negative. Nukes going off in big cities, wolves in the woods. Come on. Try and stay positive. Americans like positive feelings. Get with the program.

Looks like the negative campaign worked for the Republicans. So much so that it looks like the Dems wanted to copy them a bit. Don't forget how many people were anti-Bush rather than pro-Kerry

2. Stop hating. Americans are turned off by your hatred of gays and liberals. Jesus loved everyone, including sinners. Try and learn from him.

Americans are?

3. Accept that not everyone is a fundamentalist / born again christian. This country was founded on the idea that you could decide your beliefs. Stop trying to legislate your religion on other people.

Fair enough. I would recommend that the left stop ignoring that a big chunk of America are fundamentalists. I would have loved to see my candidate win this election

4. Try to continue your slide into fascism. First it was the ubiquitous flag lapel pins. Then it was the black box voting machines. What's next? Silencing your opposition with force? A one-party state?

Yes...

5. Stop treating poor people like lazy slobs. The average American isn't rich. Try and move towards the middle.

I think your advice would work better for Republicans if the election were decided by college students...or maybe AT P&Ners...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
DeLay can try whatever he wants. According to Bush:

"I will be your president regardless of your faith, and I don't expect you to agree with me necessarily on religion," Bush said. "As a matter of fact, no president should ever try to impose religion on our society. ... The great thing that unites is the fact you can worship freely if you choose, and if you ? you don't have to worship."

DeLay can try all he wants to impose religion on government. He has a mighty strong piece of paper standing in his way though that prevents him from doing just that.

Well, the Christian Reconstructionists now have people in power in the House and the Senate and they have a President that supports their agenda. Not to mention a Supreme Court that is majority conservative.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
DeLay can try whatever he wants. According to Bush:

"I will be your president regardless of your faith, and I don't expect you to agree with me necessarily on religion," Bush said. "As a matter of fact, no president should ever try to impose religion on our society. ... The great thing that unites is the fact you can worship freely if you choose, and if you ? you don't have to worship."

DeLay can try all he wants to impose religion on government. He has a mighty strong piece of paper standing in his way though that prevents him from doing just that.

Well, the Christian Reconstructionists now have people in power in the House and the Senate and they have a President that supports their agenda. Not to mention a Supreme Court that is majority conservative.

and you think thats enough to make the Ten Commandments [or whatever else you fear] law? Remember, it requires 2/3 vote to ratify any amendment into the Constitution... 2/3 of the country arent going to do that, not even Christians...

 

[conjur]

It's more than just the Constitution.

Here is DeLay from Wed.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH may treat his election victory as a clear mandate for tax cuts for the wealthy, traditional moral values and an aggressive, unilateralist foreign policy. Or he may treat it as an opportunity to heal a nation bitterly divided over his leadership and the role of government.

For the good of the nation, Mr. Bush should extend his hand across the electoral chasm. He made a good start Wednesday when he told supporters of Sen. John F. Kerry, D-Mass., that he wanted to earn their trust.

But House Majority leader Tom DeLay, R-Tex., has other plans. "We're going to be able to lead this country in the direction we've been dreaming of for years," Mr. DeLay said Wednesday. ". . . We're going to put God back into the public square."

Republicans will be sorely tempted to overreach this perceived electoral mandate. Mr. Bush won more votes than any president in history. Republicans increased their majorities in the House and Senate, all with the help of passionate voters worried about what they perceive as threats to the moral fabric of the nation. Karl Rove - the "architect" of the staggering Republican victory - focused on getting to the polls millions of conservative Christians who didn't vote in 2000.

Meanwhile, moderate Southern Democrats nearly were extinguished, with Democratic Senate seats won by conservative Republicans in the Carolinas, Florida and Louisiana. "Blue dog" Democrats in Texas fell before Mr. DeLay's terrible swift sword.

The president's victory is all the more remarkable given his record. Even though Kerry voters worried about the war in Iraq, job losses, rising health care costs and the monstrous deficit, Mr. Bush somehow managed to turn those minuses into pluses with relentlessly positive spin, supreme self-confidence and constant references to his faith in God and America's goodness.

Democrats now must figure out how to sustain the remarkable grass-roots energy of groups like Americans Coming Together. It's encouraging to think that the political consciousness of thousands of young volunteers will be shaped in a lasting way.

Democrats also need to sharpen their message, articulate their guiding principles and look for common ground. They must do a far better job of explaining the values that animate their view that government must help the poor, embrace equality and tolerance, advance social justice and keep the government out of people's personal affairs.

An unanswered question is whether the powerful wave of voters who sent Mr. Bush back to the White House to protect morality are fighting a rear-guard, faith-based action against the worst excesses of modern society, or are in the vanguard of a new wave of voters alienated by secularism, pop culture and the ethical thickets at the cutting edge of scientific discovery.