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Advantage/Disadvantage of joining TA-Cube vs. AT teams

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cadence007

Junior Member
I'm just curious as to the advantages/disadvantages and/or just the differences between joining team AT, and joining TA-Cube... they both go towards the same purpose.. but obviously there's something different if there are two (and more)...

I currently pump out about 9~ Mk/sec with the few systems I have setup with RC5 already.. and am curious where these would be best put to use... if I do decide to join a team. Thanks.

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TA Cube is a part of Team AnandTech. When you join TA Cube, you are automatically cracking for Team AnandTech. The advantage of TA Cube is that you bypass the lengthy procedure that includes waiting for 24 hours, getting your password, yadda, yadda, yadda and your blocks start being counted towards Team AnandTech's total right away. Moreover, you get to join a kickass miniteam on its way to numero uno in the world. You also get to race other relentless Borgs on the Borg pproxy (where your individual stats are posted). I see no disadvantage in you joining the Borgs, except to our enemies. 😉

Since you do not have private messages enabled, I am sending you the relevant info by email.

The sun is up now, so I must retire to my crypt. 😉 I'll let the other Integrals take over in answering your queries. 😀
 
I think we should also point out the disadvantage(s) as requested.

If you join a mini-team, you no longer are an individual and cannot track your own progress or see yourself move up the charts. You have less feedback on what each of your machines are doing (if you have more than one) because you can't see your own numbers.

You can't get into "races" with other members because you have no stats to go by... just the total output of the team.

To be quite honest, I think it's time for TA Cube to lock it's doors. The mini-teams were originally meant to promote competition with other's on our team, but TA Cube is so HUGE that there is no longer any contest 'twixt it and any other member... mini-team or otherwise!

One other advantage to joining though... you get to have more contact with great people like Russ and dennilfloss!!

Joe
 
No disadvantages at all then joining a miniteam Flossie? 😉

The advantage is like dennilfloss said the easy setup and pride you feel wearing your new implants 🙂. The only disadvantage I can think about is that your stats don't show up at Dnet only in the proxy you flush through.

TA cube is a part of Team Anandtech, so all the work you do benifits the team. TA cube acts like one participant in the Dnet stats, if you choose to crack on your own you will also show up like one of the participants. Whatever you choose-a big welcome to the TeAm 🙂
 
Beat me too it Bak, and there is some competetive racing going on here, been trying to keep Ijump off my back with no success, and you can track all your comps if you want to set it up 😉

See I did
 
Joe,

One can indeed view one's individual stats on the Borg pproxy. I have emailed him the link to the exact page. As for...

"TA Cube is so HUGE that there is no longer any contest 'twixt it and any other member... mini-team or otherwise!'

I can understand this disappointment from an individual point of view. After all, it is very hard for someone on his/her own to compete with a miniteam. However, as far as other miniteams are concerned, that simply means that they need to get off their arse and ass laminate. If we can do it, so can they. It's only a question of will power and being relentless in pursuing cpus. 😀
 
<< If you join a mini-team, you no longer are an individual and cannot track your own progress or see yourself move up the charts >>

Even in the Cube, new members seem to be able to compete with in the team with &quot;established&quot; members. I know of at least two team members in the top 10 on the cube pproxy who have been cracking less than a month. I am sure that the competition will continue.

I would much rather see my name passing people I &quot;know&quot; than some faceless, nameless entity on dnets pages. It is all about the team (Both Team Anandtech and TACube) and associating with the other members.

<< TA Cube is so HUGE that there is no longer any contest 'twixt it and any other member >>
See Dennil's comment. I agree with him. Work harder, get more computers.

<< been trying to keep Ijump off my back with no success >>
Sorry cpars, I have passed you. 🙂

Remember, its all in good fun. Go with who you feel comfortable with.


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<< that simply means that they need to get off their arse and ass laminate >>

no dennil, Borg didnt get so far ahead of the other miniteams because of ass laminating, but because of a different style, when members of other miniteams help out new people in the forums, they dont usually mention thier own miniteam until long after they have joined, but then the drones come in with the &quot;hey use this disk!&quot; and wow, what an effort, i cant tell you how many times myself or others have worked hard in a thread helping a new guy get started and at the end a drone pops in and drops a link to a pre configured cube disk.
 
TA Cube was created with one goal in mind. To build the most powerful mini-team that has ever done distributed computing, for the best major team in the contest -- Team Anandtech.

We have in part, been successful because we have endeavored to create an environment where individuals are recognized while being a part of a unique group who will not give up... ever. The &quot;theme teams&quot; have without a doubt made the contest more interesting.

Whether you agree or disagree with the concept of the &quot;mini-team&quot;, there is no disputing that Team Anandtech has benefitted from its existence and the existence of the other mini-teams. In a contest as long-running as this one, something needs to be done to keep the excitement level and interest up. TA Cube is our way of doing that.

We approach this team like a business, in that we give our customers what they want. It's done with a sense of humor and we have a lot of fun with it. We respect the fact that others feel differently, and would prefer to engage in an individual effort. To that end, we have agreed *not* to dessimate the stats at Teamanandtech.com, out of respect for that individual competition.

As far as TA Cube &quot;closing its doors&quot; - don't count on it. We're just getting started.
It is important to note, that early-on we agreed not to accept any new members that were already cracking individually as part of TA. So, in essense -- there is some degree of objection to what is 'new blood' in this contest, and that makes no sense whatsoever. Our growth is Team Anandtech's growth.

Both individual, and mini-team accomplishments are possible either individually participating, or participation in other mini-teams - yes - to include TA Cube. It all depends on what you individually want out of your contribution.

I see no downside to either approach. It's up to the individual.


 
On the point about stats.... WOW!!! How do you do that? I thought that everyone had to crack under the same name in order for the mini-team to get credit for the blocks. LEAD ME LANDRU!!! How do you do that? It's remarkably cool!

As per the second point. I don't have anything against mini-teams and have, in fact, defended both yourself DanC, Russ and TA Cube in the past... I personally think that it's been really, really good for the team. I was VERY happy when Russ finally saw the light and joined as I had long wished he would... and the following that he generated and the new influx of members was no surprize, as that was one of the reasons I'd hoped he would join.

I do think however that there must be balance. The mini-teams were first made so that numbers of individuals could compete as a single entity against those people who had large herds at their disposal. Then, the teams started competing with each other... which gave new excitement. My only point is that from what I see, TA Cube has shamed everyone else whether individual or mini-team and that those goals have been met. I believe that we should try to grow the other miniteams in an effort to &quot;catch&quot; TA Cube... but TA Cube has hit a critical mass and the compounding effect, in my opinion, will disable other mini-teams from catching up... so it will be harder to generate as much enthusiasm there.

I'm not against any mini-team, but before ANY mini-team or individual I'm for Team AnandTech... which means that IMHO if one miniteam had to stagnate for some others to grow but that the end result was a net positive for the team, then I'm for letting a mini-team stagnate for a time.

These are of course just my opinions and I could be way, way off... perhaps emotions actually wouldn't be as high for other mini-teams to catch up, in which case my ideas would actually hurt the team. There's no way of telling unless you do one or the other. And since you've already decided to do &quot;the other&quot;, I hope it ROCKS!

Joe
 


<< TA Cube has shamed everyone else whether individual or mini-team >>


Say it ain't so, Joe...

If anyone is 'shamed' it is their choice to feel that way, not any desire on our part.

TA Cube as a whole, would be delighted to see the other mini-teams stomp us. That would mean that the real goal, Team Anandtech's success will be reached.

We're not on opposing sides of anything here. We're working toward the same goal with different methods. Thanks for your support too! - it has never gone without notice. 🙂

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Train:


<< Borg didnt get so far ahead of the other miniteams because of ass laminating >>



I'm sorry, I must respectfully disagree. I submit &quot;Recrutus&quot; aka Galactus' lamination record: over 500 machines.

 


<< TA Cube as a whole, would be delighted to see the other mini-teams stomp us. That would mean that the real goal, Team Anandtech's success will be reached. >>

of course, as would all mini-teams would in that position, but so often these past few months its like theres 2 options around here, Join Borg or dont Join borg, anytime a new member comes in here, they get flooded by 40 drones chanting in unison &quot;Take Preconfigured disk, be one of us, you have no identidy&quot; blah blah blah, other teams never got a chance, I really dont think its right to Invite a person into a miniteam as soon as they step foot into the forums, ive never done it, and I joined the Feds by choice, no one recruited me, ive done recruiting yes, but everyone i Recruited has done one of two things after all the work i did getting them up and running ok for TA; Joined the Borg , or crack for themseleves.

On another note, Id like to to get to know the new guys, id like to see them in the stats, id like to see them in milestone makers, id like to see them celebrate an assimilation, thats what made thisplace great, now its like, Borg Milestone, another CPU for Borg, another Integral, blah blah, its just beyond what miniteams were supposed to be.
 
Shame as in &quot;put to shame&quot; as in you've kicked all of our butts!

As to what Train said...

Would it be wrong, since the Cube is now so large, to decide for yourselves that it's time you only recruit OUTSIDE of Anandtech and leave the &quot;easy pickin's&quot; for other people for a while? I think Train has a point though, the push often seems to be nowadays not to have people join TA, but to have them join TA-Cube. If people are joining the greater team anyway, why push them to join the Cube? Why not let them hang out and decide for themselves?

Joe
 
Train
TA-cube is not the only miniteam with preconfigured disks. I would not have started cracking if it wasn't for the preconfigured disk and Galactus' invitation letter. As far as I know we don't cannibalize on TA, so what's the harm in suggesting newbies, that isn't on team yet, to use the disk? I disagree with you that we shouldn't suggest this to newbies, it is easier to install and to get started. With the whole ordeal to crack, flush, wait 24 hrs etc, it is easy for a newbie to be put off, to not think it is worth the hassle. Once they are hooked (and we all know that doesn't take long 😉), they can always leave the miniteam and crack for themself.
 
Since we all ultimately are TA - why don't we move the discussion to brainstorming about how we can help one another to achieve similar success?
 
I don't know if this will just throw more fuel on the fire or not, but while we're discussing mini-teams and TA-Cube in particular I would just like to add my thoughts:

A common occurence now adays when a new (possible) member pops in is that (s)he asks how to join TA-Cube, not how to join TA. Now they're almost always put straight fast by regulars here borg and otherwise, but I at least find it a little disturbing that to newbies TA-Cube seems to be what they think of as THE team, and not TA. To me that just doesn't feel right. I don't know if it's just because of dennil's insane success and/or the IMPRESSIVE growth of TA-Cube... but I don't like it when people think that one part of the team is the whole team. I don't know about you others tho', and I might be shooting birds with cannons here... but that's what I don't like about the current situation TA-Cube is in.

Hope I didn't make a complete fool out of myself trying to explain what I think :frown:

With love and respect your fellow TA member

Two-FaceMy stats:
RC5
OGR-25
Seti
Gamma Flux
 


<< On the point about stats.... How do you do that? >>



Joe,

It's done by editing the RC5-dns.cache file in the ppstats. Manually, the first time, and then a script that's called up by a cron job. If you'd like the script, let me know. It was actually written for me by a member of the DPCs, Pinball.

Russ, NCNE
 
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