Adobe Flash 64 bit 10.1!!!

[KeypoX]

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/adobe-finally-releases-new-adobe-flash.html

Actually i think its 10.2 preview

 

[zokudu]

Whats the point of 64 bit flash? IS there any gain to running a 64 bit browser?

 

[KeypoX]

Whats the point of 64 bit flash? IS there any gain to running a 64 bit browser?

not 64bit browser, 64bit flash. Right now use a 32bit flash that also uses some sort of wrapper. LIke npviewer for FF. That crashes and uses extra resources.

Unfortunately this 64 flash is even worse for me lol. I got a ton of zombie npviewers. But its exciting none the less. Hopefully flash can get a bit better in linux. It is maybe half as good as windows, and 3/4 as good as mac versions.

Also I think chrome uses its own version of flash built into the browser, so you shouldnt see any difference there.

 

[zokudu]

Well i just had heard that the reason to use a 32 bit browser was because there was no 64 bit flash. Now if there is 64 bit flash what benefits are there to a 64 bit browser?

 

[ciproxr]

Well i just had heard that the reason to use a 32 bit browser was because there was no 64 bit flash. Now if there is 64 bit flash what benefits are there to a 64 bit browser?

twice the bit ?



lol reminds me of spinal tap, "this one goes to 11"

 

[VirtualLarry]

Now where can we get a 64-bit version of FF4.0beta6?

http://nightly.mozilla.org/ has a build for 64-bit. Strangely, releases.mozilla.org, only carries 64-bit builds for Mac and Linux. Only a 32-bit build for Windows.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Also I think chrome uses its own version of flash built into the browser, so you shouldnt see any difference there.

Not on linux it seems. aboutlugins shows flash via npwrapper.

 

[Nothinman]

Whats the point of 64 bit flash? IS there any gain to running a 64 bit browser?

There's very little to no gain for running a 64-bit build of just about everything, but a lot of people still do, including me.

 

[Baasha]

There's very little to no gain for running a 64-bit build of just about everything, but a lot of people still do, including me.

That is a crock of $hit!

Having a 64-bit browser is like having a V8 engine as opposed to a V4 (32-bit). It's potential is a lot more. However, if you have all 32-bit components (Flash etc.), it's like having a V8 on 10-inch wheels. With the 64-bit Flash, multimedia components will render so much faster, it is way better than 32-bit anything.

 

[Gamingphreek]

That is a crock of $hit!

Having a 64-bit browser is like having a V8 engine as opposed to a V4 (32-bit). It's potential is a lot more. However, if you have all 32-bit components (Flash etc.), it's like having a V8 on 10-inch wheels. With the 64-bit Flash, multimedia components will render so much faster, it is way better than 32-bit anything.

You should really understand what you are talking about before you start calling highly respected members out for being "full of ****".

Instead of responding and telling you why you are wrong on so many different levels, why don't you explain to me why you are correct...

-Kevin

 

[Baasha]

You should really understand what you are talking about before you start calling highly respected members out for being "full of ****".

Instead of responding and telling you why you are wrong on so many different levels, why don't you explain to me why you are correct...

-Kevin

I didn't call him anything. I just said what he wrote was $hit. 64-bit browser coupled with components that are also 64-bit will have a significant improvement in terms of rendering time for multimedia components (video/galleries etc.). Are you saying 32-bit systems are better than 64-bit? LOL.. please explain that one to me.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I didn't call him anything. I just said what he wrote was $hit. 64-bit browser coupled with components that are also 64-bit will have a significant improvement in terms of rendering time for multimedia components (video/galleries etc.). Are you saying 32-bit systems are better than 64-bit? LOL.. please explain that one to me.

Saying what he wrote is garbage is the same thing as insulting him - come on you can't be this dense.

I'm not turning this into back and forth with you. You clearly have no idea about anything regarding coding or microprocessor architecture and are merely assuming that 64-bit, since it is a higher number, will be better than 32-bit.

Once again, I'll ask you, why do you think 64-bit will make ANY DIFFERENCE on something such as a Word Processor or a Web Browser?

-Kevin

 

[KeypoX]

There's very little to no gain for running a 64-bit build of just about everything, but a lot of people still do, including me.

but as i understand it. Well what people have been saying. Well lets just say flash sucks. And having a 64bit os and running 32 bit flash sucks even more. We hope that a 64bit flash will suck less on 64bit os.

BTW mine is running better now by using a repo. I guess I was doing something wrong when installing. I think i needed to remove the shockwave extension from FF folder.

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/adobe-flash-player-square-102-64bit.html

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sevenmachines/flash
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install flashplugin64-installer

It sure isnt what i have hoped for but its still preview software. Hulu wouldnt play fullscreen without hacks, now it plays but lots of tearing. At least they are making 64bit for linux now.

 

[Kirby]

That is a crock of $hit!

Having a 64-bit browser is like having a V8 engine as opposed to a V4 (32-bit). It's potential is a lot more. However, if you have all 32-bit components (Flash etc.), it's like having a V8 on 10-inch wheels. With the 64-bit Flash, multimedia components will render so much faster, it is way better than 32-bit anything.

V4? As if your reply wasn't retarded enough....

 

[zokudu]

Well the only tangible benefit to running 64 bit software is the ability to access more then 4GB of RAM. Thats why things like CS5 being 64 bit do make a difference. But for a browser I just don't see it. Outside of getting flash setup in a 64 bit linux install a bit easier but even then you can get 32 bit flash working or just use a 32 bit browser.

Just seems to be the more numbers are better crowd would jump on this. Outside of that I don't think my browser ever needs close to that much memory.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well the only tangible benefit to running 64 bit software is the ability to access more then 4GB of RAM. Thats why things like CS5 being 64 bit do make a difference. But for a browser I just don't see it. Outside of getting flash setup in a 64 bit linux install a bit easier but even then you can get 32 bit flash working or just use a 32 bit browser.

Just seems to be the more numbers are better crowd would jump on this. Outside of that I don't think my browser ever needs close to that much memory.

Well outside of the additional addressable RAM, the addition of 64-bit registers also drastically improves floating point operations.

The obvious downside is that all pointers are now double in size...

-Kevin

 

[Baasha]

Saying what he wrote is garbage is the same thing as insulting him - come on you can't be this dense.

I'm not turning this into back and forth with you. You clearly have no idea about anything regarding coding or microprocessor architecture and are merely assuming that 64-bit, since it is a higher number, will be better than 32-bit.

Once again, I'll ask you, why do you think 64-bit will make ANY DIFFERENCE on something such as a Word Processor or a Web Browser?

-Kevin

Well, I didn't exactly state word processing would be improved with 64-bit now did I? Browsing, that too just loading webpages etc. is of negligible difference but when it comes to multimedia intensive websites and applications, 64-bit does make a difference. And, as you and others have addressed, the additional RAM that can be accessed makes a huge difference when it comes to rendering movies, photo editing, 3D modeling and other graphics intensive processes.

You read too much into my statement. My point is this: 64-bit is definitely better than 32-bit even though you cannot utilize the full potential of the 64-bit system(s) at this point. Do you agree?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well, I didn't exactly state word processing would be improved with 64-bit now did I? Browsing, that too just loading webpages etc. is of negligible difference but when it comes to multimedia intensive websites and applications, 64-bit does make a difference. And, as you and others have addressed, the additional RAM that can be accessed makes a huge difference when it comes to rendering movies, photo editing, 3D modeling and other graphics intensive processes.

You read too much into my statement. My point is this: 64-bit is definitely better than 32-bit even though you cannot utilize the full potential of the 64-bit system(s) at this point. Do you agree?

I do not and I'm not sure you understand the purpose of RAM.

Why would multimedia intensive websites be affected at all? There should not be any mathematically intense operations involved in that.

The additional RAM can make a sizeable difference in very select applications. Graphics intensive applications is completely incorrect. The amount of RAM is completely independent of the size of the frame buffer.

Additionally, you keep stating that we can't use the full potential of 64-bit. Outside of the fact that we don't come close to maxing out the addressable memory (Even considering that most processors cannot address more than 36-bits of memory), we absolutely use 64-bit to its fullest extent. Once again, I'm not sure you understand anything about 64-bit outside of the fact that it is larger than 32-bit.

Finally, there are cases when 64-bit is clearly at a disadvantage when compared to 32-bit. If there is no need for the additional registers, then all you have effectively done is increase the amount of memory allocated to a program as the pointer size doubles.

Though I advocate using a 64-bit OS in nearly all circumstances now, there is, in many cases, no benefit to using such.

-Kevin

 

[JD50]

Well, I didn't exactly state word processing would be improved with 64-bit now did I? Browsing, that too just loading webpages etc. is of negligible difference but when it comes to multimedia intensive websites and applications, 64-bit does make a difference. And, as you and others have addressed, the additional RAM that can be accessed makes a huge difference when it comes to rendering movies, photo editing, 3D modeling and other graphics intensive processes.

You read too much into my statement. My point is this: 64-bit is definitely better than 32-bit even though you cannot utilize the full potential of the 64-bit system(s) at this point. Do you agree?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but in every post you've made in this thread you've come off as a giant asshole.

 

[KeypoX]

It is much better as far as resources go. Has anyone else been trying it out?

 

[Gamingphreek]

It is much better as far as resources go. Has anyone else been trying it out?

I'm throwing together a desktop computer this weekend. I'll put the 32 bit version on and see if I can't run some benchmarks to compare to the 64-bit version.

I'm not sure which OS i'll be using for testing, probably Ubuntu, but I might try it out on Solaris and a few others as well.

-Kevin

 

[lxskllr]

I'd like to see the website that pushes GBs of data to the browser. Actually, I guess I wouldn't :^D

I currently have a peak usage of 700mb with 26 tabs open. That's on Windows with Firefox. I've got quite a ways to go before I start running into 32bit limitations.

 

[KeypoX]

Embedded videos play much better now. I used to have issues, and would sometimes have to right click and watch on youtube.

Many positives about this release.

 

[Emulex]

i've had alot less trouble with haxors with 64bit ie in protected mode. i wonder how the flash integration will affect this?

 

[MrMatt]

Well the only tangible benefit to running 64 bit software is the ability to access more then 4GB of RAM. Thats why things like CS5 being 64 bit do make a difference. But for a browser I just don't see it. Outside of getting flash setup in a 64 bit linux install a bit easier but even then you can get 32 bit flash working or just use a 32 bit browser.

Just seems to be the more numbers are better crowd would jump on this. Outside of that I don't think my browser ever needs close to that much memory.

Because if FF was 64 bit it could bleed more than 4 gigs of your ram