Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

[biostud]

I am using 3090 for work mainly (archviz rendering), so the statement, that only Titan had usefulness as semi-pro card, is false. If anything, 3090 at its 1500 MSRP (i got the EVGA XC3 version for 1800 EUROs incl. VAT) was better deal for me than Titan RTX for 2500.

OK, I stand corrected, I was just under the impression, that the drivers for the Titan cards were more geared towards pro work.

 

[amenx]

Doubt very much if the 4090/Ti will come first. The 4080 is the bigger (volume) cash cow than the tiers above it and would think NV prioritize its release. As it has done with x80 cards every gen in last 20 years. The 4090 might accompany it on release day, but cant imagine it arriving first. Might create bad PR when tech press focus only on $1800-2000 cards first. I would think Nv would want a sub $1000 card along with it for balance.

 

[jpiniero]

Doubt very much if the 4090/Ti will come first. The 4080 is the bigger (volume) cash cow than the tiers above it and would think NV prioritize its release.

I initially thought so too but it would give them more time to unwind GA102 supply without having to slash prices much. And it'll probably sell out anyway.

A 4080 at even $999 would mean everything GA102 would need to be below that.

 

[amenx]

Could be mid-July announcement and release in August.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 expected to launch first, followed by RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 4090 coming first For next-gen GeForce series NVIDIA is said to be launching its flagship model first. According to recent rumors, the RTX 40 series are set to debut in mid-July. This date likely refers to the announcement while each new SKU will get its own launch date sometime...

videocardz.com

 

[Aapje]

4090 first. That would either mean that their yields are great, or that they want maximize the hype, even if it is at the expense of empty shelves.

 

[amenx]

4090 first. That would either mean that their yields are great, or that they want maximize the hype, even if it is at the expense of empty shelves.

I guess the 4090 will be easier to milk at its higher price before ppl see the perf/price value of the 4080.

 

[biostud]

4090 first. That would either mean that their yields are great, or that they want maximize the hype, even if it is at the expense of empty shelves.

As long as they can sell 3080, there's no reason to create a competitor.

 

[jpiniero]

I guess the 4090 will be easier to milk at its higher price before ppl see the perf/price value of the 4080.

That order makes it more likely that the 4080 is AD104, IMO. They shouldn't need a further cut down AD102, and even if they did, you would think it would be the 4080 Ti. It could still be AD103.

As long as AD104 is faster than the 3090 Ti, I think nVidia could get away with it. But people will complain since only 192 bit and the 4090 is like twice as fast.

 

[SteinFG]

That order makes it more likely that the 4080 is AD104

4090 is ad102 (384bit bus, 24GB)
4080 is ad103 (256bit bus, 16GB)
4070 is ad104 (192bit bus, 12GB)

 

[igor_kavinski]

4070 with only 12GB but still a great improvement over 3070. Does that mean there's a future 4060 non-Ti planned with 16GB?

 

[jpiniero]

4090 is ad102 (384bit bus, 24GB)
4080 is ad103 (256bit bus, 16GB)
4070 is ad104 (192bit bus, 12GB)

Problem is it doesn't sound like AD103 is far enough along to have any products any time soon. Only AD102 and then AD104 with the earliest being September.

 

[CP5670]

I might get a 4090 at some point. Hopefully they won't be impossible to get like the 3xxx series was for so long. The 450W load is very high but not as extreme as the early rumors. I don't see any immediate reason to upgrade but expect RT to become mainstream going forward, and the current cards aren't really capable of handling that at native 4K.

 

[jpiniero]

I might get a 4090 at some point. Hopefully they won't be impossible to get like the 3xxx series was for so long. The 450W load is very high but not as extreme as the early rumors. I don't see any immediate reason to upgrade but expect RT to become mainstream going forward, and the current cards aren't really capable of handling that at native 4K.

I suspect 450 W is the official spec but the FE and most AIB will be more.

 

[CakeMonster]

Its going to be interesting to see how 450W (if that is the final spec) will play with older PSU's that have more than enough power but are not ATX3.0 or whatever is the new standard.

 

[Frenetic Pony]

4070 with only 12GB but still a great improvement over 3070. Does that mean there's a future 4060 non-Ti planned with 16GB?

That'll be the "full" 4060ti thank you, gotta pay for that 16gb. Cheap peasants only get 8gb

All these rumors sound way saner than the ever changing AMD ones (no no I got it right this time, the other 8 times was just a warmup). But if so it does sound like they're trying to grab money and mindshare before their competitor's launch, even if it means something of a paper launch at first. Wouldn't be surprised if the 4090 came out at like $2k and had very limited availability at first; gotta fleece those early adopters for as much as you can. And even if AMD has something obviously faster "well, I put my preorder for a 4090 in already. Sooo..." It's hypothetically a good strategy, contingent on all the previous being true.

 

[jpiniero]

That'll be the "full" 4060ti thank you, gotta pay for that 16gb. Cheap peasants only get 8gb

AD106 is only 128 bit, so unless GDDR7 supports 4 GB chips, you are only getting 8.

 

[SteinFG]

4060ti can be 10Gb, just disable one 2Gb chip of 4070.
4060 will probably be ad106 with 128bit bus and 8Gb.
This is all speculation of course, just interesting to think about

 

[jpiniero]

Rumor: NVIDIA plans to launch GeForce RTX 4090 in August, RTX 4080 in September and RTX 4070 in October - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 40 specifications We have some new information on GeForce RTX 40 launch dates. As much as we would like to tell you that these are 100% confirmed dates (and they are, except for now), things might change very quickly. NVIDIA RTX 4090 and 4080 on PG139 board We have learned that RTX...

videocardz.com

Now Videocardz is claiming an August launch date for the 4090. I suppose the announcement could be Mid July and the release the first week of August. They go on to say that the 4080 is currently scheduled for September and 4070 in October but could slip.

 

[DaaQ]

If it isn't a Ti it is a cut down chip. NOT full fat.

EDIT: At least that used to be the way. I should go watch Obi Wan 1st episode.

 

[Saylick]

Rumor: NVIDIA plans to launch GeForce RTX 4090 in August, RTX 4080 in September and RTX 4070 in October - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 40 specifications We have some new information on GeForce RTX 40 launch dates. As much as we would like to tell you that these are 100% confirmed dates (and they are, except for now), things might change very quickly. NVIDIA RTX 4090 and 4080 on PG139 board We have learned that RTX...

videocardz.com

Now Videocardz is claiming an August launch date for the 4090. I suppose the announcement could be Mid July and the release the first week of August. They go on to say that the 4080 is currently scheduled for September and 4070 in October but could slip.

It's been a long time since we've seen the xx80 Ti / xx90 big kahuna die launch first before the xx80 mid-tier die, even if it was by only a week. With Fermi and older, we had the big dies come first then the mid-tier dies. Then after ATI faltered we've had the mid-tier die come first with Kepler, and now that AMD are back, Lovelace seems to reverse that trend by having the big die launch way out in front of the rest.

Fermi: GF100 (GTX 480) came first before GF104 (GTX 460).
Kepler: GK104 (GTX 680) came first before GK110 (GTX 780).
Maxwell: GM104 (GTX 980) came first before GM102 (GTX 980 Ti).
Pascal: GP104 (GTX 1080) came first before GP102 (GTX 1080 Ti).
Turing: TU104 (RTX 2080) launched on September 20, 2018 before TU102 (RTX 2080 Ti) launched on September 27, 2018.
Ampere: Cut-down GA102 (RTX 3080) launched on September 17, 2020 before not-so-cut-down GA102 (RTX 3090) launched on September 24, 2020.

And now...
Lovelace: AD102 (RTX 4090) launches a month or more ahead of AD103 (RTX 4080), which itself launches a month ahead of AD104 (RTX 4070?).

 

[psolord]

If it isn't a Ti it is a cut down chip. NOT full fat.

EDIT: At least that used to be the way. I should go watch Obi Wan 1st episode.

That's why I got a 3060 ti instead of a 3070 or 3070 ti! I got the full GA104 chip and Nvidia thought they can fool me! I am very smart I tell you, very smart! xD

 

[Dribble]

It's been a long time since we've seen the xx80 Ti / xx90 big kahuna die launch first before the xx80 mid-tier die, even if it was by only a week. With Fermi and older, we had the big dies come first then the mid-tier dies. Then after ATI faltered we've had the mid-tier die come first with Kepler, and now that AMD are back, Lovelace seems to reverse that trend by having the big die launch way out in front of the rest.

Fermi: GF100 (GTX 480) came first before GF104 (GTX 460).
Kepler: GK104 (GTX 680) came first before GK110 (GTX 780).
Maxwell: GM104 (GTX 980) came first before GM102 (GTX 980 Ti).
Pascal: GP104 (GTX 1080) came first before GP102 (GTX 1080 Ti).
Turing: TU104 (RTX 2080) launched on September 20, 2018 before TU102 (RTX 2080 Ti) launched on September 27, 2018.
Ampere: Cut-down GA102 (RTX 3080) launched on September 17, 2020 before not-so-cut-down GA102 (RTX 3090) launched on September 24, 2020.

And now...
Lovelace: AD102 (RTX 4090) launches a month or more ahead of AD103 (RTX 4080), which itself launches a month ahead of AD104 (RTX 4070?).

I don't think it's anything to do with AMD as they are not releasing for a while. I suspect it's an inventory thing - they are releasing in reverse order of sales so it gives them longer to stock pile the more popular chips.

 

[jpiniero]

I don't think it's anything to do with AMD as they are not releasing for a while. I suspect it's an inventory thing - they are releasing in reverse order of sales so it gives them longer to stock pile the more popular chips.

Inventory thing... yeah inventory of Ampere.

 

[jpiniero]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1532341054246354944

Another suggestion that nVidia might reserve the full AD102 for a Titan... and be 800 W (or more?)

 

[Aapje]

That has to be a guess. I he doesn't know whether it is going to be produced, he certainly can't know whether it will be marketed as a 4090 Ti or as a Titan.