Actual Voltage on the processor?

IceRedwing

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I'm running an E6400 at 3.6GHz (running at 44C full load using Gromac's Core via Orthos) and the only way I could make it stable was when I set the vcore to 1.5V (bios). Which seemed very high in comparison to other peoples voltages, while the temperature is low the high voltages worried me.

But the thing I did notice was while the bios had the vcore set at 1.5V, it would never actually come close to hitting 1.5V, (and i realize that the V fluctuates) but during stress testing the vcore stabilizes at 1.42V. I tested the voltages in other clock speeds and likewise the stabilized vcore decreases based on the bios setting of the vcore. I did a search on the forums and I saw someone mention the concept of vdroop and also the maximum tolerance for the C2D's was 1.55V

So should I take my overclock as 3.6GHz stable at 1.42V ? or 3.6GHz stable at 1.5V? Cause 1.5V is getting close to the max tolerance, and I'm thinking of lowering my OC to where the voltages are more manageable
 

Xvys

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yep, some mb have a substantial vdroop, like most P5B's for instance. They suffer a voltage droop of about .5 to .8v from what is set in the bios and what voltage actually reaches the cpu. Setting your bios at 1.5 and it showing only 1.42 vCore in Windows is fairly typical. It will droop even further under load.

With a 470FSB and my E6300 @ 3290 MHz, I set my vCore to 1.3875v in the bios, but all monitoring programs show only 1.32 vCore, which is the recommended voltage for my E6300 (1.315v). For the E6400, I thinks its 1.325v. Intel says the maximum voltage is 1.375v, but many o/c'ers say that 1.55v is a prudent maximum.

Ideally the cpu temps should go no higher than 65C under 100% load (TAT core test), although some say 70C is safe, but probably not for 24/7.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Casual observations here -- I'm just beginning to test the OC limits of my E6600 and Striker mobo with Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1000 modules.

Voltage droop, as I understand it, is the difference between idle voltage and load voltage.

But there are some other things going on.

In another thread, I mentioned a forum post at "i4memory.com" -- a very methodical approach to testing the limits of the Striker board. The writer started at 1.525V to achieve a stable 3.6 Ghz setting of her E6600 processor at 1:1 and the stock multiplier of 9. She was using last year's Striker BIOS release, and the monitoring software showed a value of 1.42V.

I upgraded my BIOS, and at 1.475V ("set" value), the ASUS Probe monitoring software shows 1.44V. But there is no droop between idle and load -- the monitoring software shows the voltage as rock-steady and at that value of 1.44.

Other monitoring software coming from nVidia -- while posting real-time speed values and temperatures -- only reports the "set" value in BIOS (in this case, 1.475V).

Tests on the Striker and (I think) the P5N32-E board showed that the three PSU voltage rails are understated by the monitoring software, so for the 3.3V rail, the monitoring software may show 3.26, while application of a digital multitester shows something at, or just above -- 3.3V.

There are known discrepancies between the "set" values and the monitored readings on these -- and probably other boards. But this is different than "voltage droop," as I've explained here.

IF someone were to ask me, I'd say be careful about choosing your over-clock voltage limits, and see what data you can find in lab-test reviews so that you can calibrate your choices with the information about "true" voltages.

At least with the Striker and P5N32-E SLI boards, and assuming choice of high-performance memory, you can pretty much isolate the risk of over-clocking to the processor itself. For instance, if the Striker board specs allow for FSB at 800, 1066 and 1333, pushing the FSB to 1500 is only a 20% over-clock beyond the board's warranty limit, and less of a risk. Choosing 1333 is within the warranty limit. And similarly, if you buy DDR2-1000 modules and under-clock them to settings between 667 DDR and 800+ DDR, you're well within the memory-maker's warranty limits as long as you don't push the voltage beyond the specified limit -- for me, it's 2.2V. If the memory works at default settings at 1.85V, 2.05V is just high of being in the middle of the operational range.

That leaves the processor. Nobody knows yet how long before an E6600 would burn out at ANY settings over Intel's spec of 1.35V. But you KNOW they would choose a spec that minimizes their returns under warranty -- and therefore the cost of selling their product. They would apply a statistical distribution to determining what that limit should be -- for example, they would choose a warrantied range assuring that 99% of all E6600 processors would not fail when run in that range. When you go above that range, you are reducing the chances that your processor will last as long as the 99%, but your limit may correspond to 80% of all processors, or 70% etc etc.

Even so, with the small 65nm size of the cores, I'd say that wiggle room above some few hundreths of a volt above their warranty spec is smaller than it was for a 90nm processor.

An economics professor was making a joke during the 1980s about students focusing on econometrics (statistics), who were writing their own statistical software in the midst of the then new "microcomputer revolution." He joked that someday, there would be people sporting CPUs ornately mounted on stylish headbands.

I'm really not interested in spending three Franklins on a fashion statement, but the risk increases with over-volting.
 

tersome

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Originally posted by: IceRedwing
I'm running an E6400 at 3.6GHz (running at 44C full load using Gromac's Core via Orthos) and the only way I could make it stable was when I set the vcore to 1.5V (bios). Which seemed very high in comparison to other peoples voltages, while the temperature is low the high voltages worried me.

But the thing I did notice was while the bios had the vcore set at 1.5V, it would never actually come close to hitting 1.5V, (and i realize that the V fluctuates) but during stress testing the vcore stabilizes at 1.42V. I tested the voltages in other clock speeds and likewise the stabilized vcore decreases based on the bios setting of the vcore. I did a search on the forums and I saw someone mention the concept of vdroop and also the maximum tolerance for the C2D's was 1.55V

So should I take my overclock as 3.6GHz stable at 1.42V ? or 3.6GHz stable at 1.5V? Cause 1.5V is getting close to the max tolerance, and I'm thinking of lowering my OC to where the voltages are more manageable

What are you measuring with? PCProbe? Voltage measurements in BIOS and Windows aren't exactly known for their accuracy.

My P5N-E SLI is an extreme case. PCProbe reports a vDroop of .1v, from 1.42v to 1.32v, with 1.525v set in BIOS. Of course, I'm not actually running 3.7ghz with only 1.32v. When measured with a multimeter, I'm only getting .01 vDroop, from 1.51v to 1.50v.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Terson has some good points here.

But it is interesting, through reading two or more sources, that you could see which way there was bias in (a) the "set value" of the voltage, (b) the monitoring software. Wherever possible, these two items should be measured against voltages taken with a multimeter. With an indication that certain monitored voltages are all biased by the same percentage and in the same direction, one might "deduce" that other sensors detecting voltages are equally biassed.

In my case -- and I'm correcting myself for an earlier remark -- I have "voltage droop" between idle and load probably close to -0.03V. That is, the REPORTED voltage on the voltage monitor for IDLE, and the REPORTED voltage on the voltage monitor for LOAD -- are 1.46V at idle and between 1.42 and 1.44V at load. So fine -- by evaluating the relative difference, we can actually estimate the sag -- even if the estimator itself has bias.

But there is a difference between reported voltage and the "set voltage." These also did not coincide. I need to review again my thoughts on this -- to examine the logic of it -- but I think the relationship between "set voltage" and actual voltage has been corrected. It was corrected in one of the two or three BIOS revisions following version 701.

That implies that my actual voltage is 1.475V if I chose to select that value. It als means that I have voltage droop of (maybe) 0.03V, and I should expect to see the real voltage drop to 1.445V under load. This is between 0.095V and 0.065V above Intel's upper range limit of either 1.35 or 1.38V -- if I heard someone say theirs was the larger value when mine was 1.35V -- as shown on the gummed label of the retail box.
 

IceRedwing

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I'm using several programs that read the vcore.

Everest Ultimate, CPU-Z, Speedfan, and Asus PC-Probe all give identical readings during the test.

I'm just particularly surprised how many people are able to achieve such high overclocks when the voltages in the bios are really low and putting into consideration the vdroop when they test.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I have yet to look at the facts in more detail, but it appears that the low-end C2D processors go a lot farther with OC settings without voltage adjustment. It is beginning to seem that the E6600 and higher versions of the C2D require manual voltage changes to achieve anything near the same over-clock values.

I'm thinking that if you want to run FSB : (2 x DDR) = 1:1 and take advantage of memory spec'd to 800 Mhz and higher, you're better off with the E6300 and E6400 if manual voltage adjustment gives you the jitters.

With that, you'll get a better "opening up" of the memory bottleneck with lower resulting CPU speeds -- a viable option IMHO.
 

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because of sometihng called Vdroop on the nasty 680i boards, the voltage is a lot lower then whats shown in bios on me.

-_-....

my bios is set at 1.4375V

CPU-Z only reads 1.378V at 3636 under orthos stress..


I wish someone came out with a vdroop mod on this board..