Active Troops Support McCain 3-to-1 Over Obama

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winnar111

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http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5693

With the obvious exception of the racial slant in the black vote, which like the civilian black voting bloc trends heavily towards the candidate running as an African-American, no other sector of the military comes even close to supporting Barack Hussein Obama for Commander-in-Chief.

Now, Obama supporters point to Powell. But Powell is a known political opportunist who has clearly taken a side against active duty military members before, and again in this election.

They will attempt to discredit the published results by claiming some right-wing slant. But the Military Times is owned and edited by left-leaning Gannett News Service.

They will call all non-black members of the military ?racists? for opposing Obama, just like they label other Americans opposing Obama as ?racists.? Never mind the overt racism in the black vote.

They might even try to label these men and women in uniform ?fascists? ? since they don?t know what a ?fascist? really is and have misused the name to describe Bush and Cheney for years now.

But they can?t hurt our soldier?s feelings anymore than they already have by calling them ?terrorists? running ?Gulags? and ?torture chambers.?
Yet the facts remain...

Active troops support John McCain 3-to-1 over Barack Obama.




Similar results from 2004, when the troops majorly sided with Bush over Kerry.

It makes sense to want to preserve 5 years worth of efforts.
 
SP33Demon

SP33Demon

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Who cares? McCain is losing in more than a few military states right now, even if this were true the troops are outnumbered by popular vote. Hell my buddy (naval pilot) just voted for Nader and said none of his buddies are voting for McCain, they don't think there's a point to being in Iraq. So much for achieving "victory" in Iraq.
 
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But Powell is a known political opportunist

how quickly Powell gets eaten up and spit out by the republican smear machine.

shameful
 
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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The troops are morons.
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The troops are wrong for wanting to stay there, and you are a major d-bag.
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If you vote for McCain this year, you're a moron. No exceptions.
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Its people like you that cost the dems the last 2 elections. The "im smarter than you" line doesnt help your cause.
 
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What I find very questionable is how accurate are the polls taken of military personnel?
 
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since they don?t know what a ?fascist? really is and have misused the name to describe Bush and Cheney for years now.
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(Encarta)
"Fascism rejects liberal ideas such as freedom and individual rights, and often presses for the destruction of elections, legislatures, and other elements of democracy. Despite the idealistic goals of fascism, attempts to build fascist societies have led to wars and persecutions that caused millions of deaths. As a result, fascism is strongly associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence."

If the jackboot fits, wear it. Bush-Cheney have done a pretty good job of grinding the constitution under its heel while demanding blind loyalty to their cause.



Which is Bush-Cheney's fault, not our soldiers. They've been paying in blood for the mismanagement of "the decider's" staff and appointees.
 
Thump553

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General Colin Powell is "a known political opportunist?" That totally BS comment, plus the fact that the link the OP posted is so full of popups I had to shut my browser down, makes this topic bogus.

Post a real link to a poll that supports your premise, or cut and paste it here. There have been quite a few pols that indicate the soldiers are supporting Obama, not McCain (and officers for McCain).
 
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This is quite a fantastic poll you have there.

The real poll as opposed to insane right wing editorial poll-land.

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey (that means response bias, a statistics 101 no-no) of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.
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Oops! So a voluntary response poll of a group of military members that underrepresents Obama's primary constituencies, minorities and the young, shows that the military heavily supports McCain. That's a real shocker.

I have little doubt that the military as a whole would prefer a veteran over someone who was not, but there's absolutely nothing in the poll that says anything about people still in the military preferring McCain over Obama due to his position on Iraq. Oh Winnar, keep trying. Those of us who have actually been in the military see straight through your bullshit.
 
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BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
The troops are morons.
Click to expand...

The troops are wrong for wanting to stay there, and you are a major d-bag.
Click to expand...

If you vote for McCain this year, you're a moron. No exceptions.
Click to expand...

Its people like you that cost the dems the last 2 elections. The "im smarter than you" line doesnt help your cause.
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Just stating facts.

 
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winnar111

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Originally posted by: Thump553
General Colin Powell is "a known political opportunist?" That totally BS comment, plus the fact that the link the OP posted is so full of popups I had to shut my browser down, makes this topic bogus.

Post a real link to a poll that supports your premise, or cut and paste it here. There have been quite a few pols that indicate the soldiers are supporting Obama, not McCain (and officers for McCain).
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Here's a direct link to the military times poll.

http://www.militarytimes.com/s...ages/081003_ep_2pp.pdf
 
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Our active troops support the republican candidate over the democrat. Is that a shock to the OP?

EDIT: And how is their supporting the republican some sort of commentary on the Iraq war BTW?
 
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
This is quite a fantastic poll you have there.

The real poll as opposed to insane right wing editorial poll-land.

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey (that means response bias, a statistics 101 no-no) of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.
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Oops! So a voluntary response poll of a group of military members that underrepresents Obama's primary constituencies, minorities and the young, shows that the military heavily supports McCain. That's a real shocker.

I have little doubt that the military as a whole would prefer a veteran over someone who was not, but there's absolutely nothing in the poll that says anything about people still in the military preferring McCain over Obama due to his position on Iraq. Oh Winnar, keep trying. Those of us who have actually been in the military see straight through your bullshit.
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fskimospy

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Our active troops support the republican candidate over the democrat. Is that a shock to the OP?
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Why do you think this is the case?
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Because the military is a fundamentally conservative institution, as it has been in every major industrialized nation for hundreds of years?
 
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fskimospy

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
And how is their supporting the republican some sort of commentary on the Iraq war BTW?
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It's not. If you read the survey it never even asks about it, you can just see an across the board Republican endorsement from the self selected non-representative sample. Winnar just made up the rest, because it fits with what he already wants to believe.
 
umbrella39

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Oops, you replied too fast winnar. I edited but will ask here:

How is their supporting the republican some sort of commentary on the Iraq war BTW?
As others have already just stated, the military traditionally favors #1 the GOP and #2 a vet.
 
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winnar111

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Our active troops support the republican candidate over the democrat. Is that a shock to the OP?
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Why do you think this is the case?
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Because the military is a fundamentally conservative institution, as it has been in every major industrialized nation for hundreds of years?
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And yet you get lefties like Clinton and Obama trying to rewrite hundreds of years worth of military policy.

Maybe the military is conservative because liberals don't support the troops.
 
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