Active shooter in Colorado Springs

[Jaskalas]

Really?

So when fox runs this report or repeats similar content, there is no way anyone watching fox news could learn that?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/2...ideo-released-titled-carly-fiorina-was-right/

That's exactly my point. No one watching Fox News is going to hear of the investigations, or the nature of the fully unedited video. And frankly the politifact article only speaks of the "gotcha" interview, it says nothing on the subject you just raised in your link.

So given the chosen target and the timing, should we pin this attack on Fox News?

 

[brycejones]

bla bla bla.

You ever have any actual thoughts? Or do you just follow me around and attack everything I say?

Whine much?

 

[kage69]

Colorado Springs Shooting Suspect's Ramblings Suggest Animosity Toward Planned Parenthood, Sources Say

http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-s...s-suggest-animosity-planned/story?id=35469417

"Dear made an impression on Post the first time they met, he said, because he immediately gave him anti-Obama pamphlets.
"That was kind of weird that within three minutes of meeting somebody, they're already wanting to give you that kind of stuff," Post said."

"Sources told ABC News the Justice Department is building a domestic terrorism case against Dear, though it would only move forward if somehow the state capital case was sidetracked."

Another case of reality having the nerve not to follow along with the views of social authoritarian cheerleaders. Clearly an Obama plot, just to make real Americans look stupid.

 

[fskimospy]

Thank goodness they've got you to draw conclusions for them that they didn't draw themselves. I saw these articles yesterday and all I see is that he is mistakenly listed as female which I chalked up to a clerical error.

This is not one of your moments of sanity. I'm guessing that they are infrequent.

Guess that wasn't one of your moments of reading comprehension then, haha.

I for one am shocked that your ability to read has failed you in a way that was ideologically convenient.

 

[kage69]

Just saw on CNN's front page, "witness said shooter spoke of 'baby parts,' motive unknown"

/facepalm


Also, and I have to say I'm rather surprised by this, Mike Huckabee was come out and declared this to be a terror attack. Good for you Mike! I can't stand the guy but kudos to him for calling a spade a spade.

 

[theeedude]

Just saw on CNN's front page, "witness said shooter spoke of 'baby parts,' motive unknown"

/facepalm


Also, and I have to say I'm rather surprised by this, Mike Huckabee was come out and declared this to be a terror attack. Good for you Mike! I can't stand the guy but kudos to him for calling a spade a spade.

Can you imagine headline that said "Witness said shooter spoke of 'infidels', motive unknown?"

 

[sportage]

Also, and I have to say I'm rather surprised by this, Mike Huckabee was come out and declared this to be a terror attack. Good for you Mike! I can't stand the guy but kudos to him for calling a spade a spade.

No pass for Mike the H here....
Who knows how many gay bashings and hate crimes we will never hear of that THE MIKE instigated with his fowl mouth and homophobic rants.
Mr Mike is no Christian nor morally inclined.
Mikey would sell his own mother to the wolves for ten minutes of air time. If he hasn't already done so.

Republicans, Evangelist ministers, and their hate talk.
Go figure....

 

[theeedude]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenk...ado-shooter-was-a-loner-who-never#.tng0enD9PP

“We went into the house, a real shit-hole, and within a few minutes he just gave us these pamphlets and said, ‘Hey, if you ever want to talk, take a look at this stuff,’” said Post. The pamphlets, he remembers, called for President Obama’s impeachment and had “all sorts of crap against Obama.”

Right wing media kills.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Not a Syrian refuge? Damn the luck!

 

[DrPizza]

Anyone else notice that Michal1980 has said nothing against this attack? He must be in favor of this attack. Ditto Zorkorist. Oddly, Hilary & Sanders both came out and condemned the attack - Zorkorist asked us if we're drunk to support them.

 

[MongGrel]

“He was just always saying, ‘I know the U.S. is trying to kill everybody’ and do this and do that,” one resident in North Carolina told the Washington Post. “He [said he] was an undercover [agent]. Just craziness. Just pure, right-out craziness all the time.”

charlie daniels 'uneasy rider' 1973

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoVL1Zs6WTw

 

[Greenman]

To a degree though, it's almost like the chickens coming home to roost. Wasn't it Fox news who portrayed the false story about Planned Parenthood profiting from selling fetal tissue longer than any other news outlet? Even after several investigations found no evidence of wrong-doing, Fox was still running with a narrative that they were conducting illicit activities - hell, even while the gunman was still in the PP building, a Republican Congressman was still perpetuating that myth. It's long time that leaders - on both sides of the aisle - realize that there are consequences to their partisan lies.

I don't know about Fox and the planed parenthood story, I never really followed it, just the outline. I never questioned it when I heard it though, a fetus isn't a person and has no rights, they're disposable, why wouldn't they be sold as any byproduct?
It's OK for people to believe that abortion is a bad thing, and it's OK if they want to push that issue. We decide the veracity of what they say based on our own bias. Fox isn't asking people to kill, they aren't portraying killers as hero's. An insane person reacting in an insane way isn't an indictment against Fox, it's not proof that those ideas should be curtailed.

 

[kage69]

Fox: Not Fundie Pro-Life, Just #1 with Fundie Pro-Lifers.

 

[boomerang]

Does anybody know how many of those shot were patients or staff at this PP location?

 

[Pens1566]

Yeah, it's kind of obvious who "owns" this one.

 

[Jhhnn]

Amazingly, now the extreme right wing is trying to pin this on the LGBT community. They are basing it off a listing on a private genealogy websites voter information list that has the shooters info and lists gender as female.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...d-shooter-not-republican-identifies-as-woman/

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...s-woman-in-voter-registration/article/2577222

There are several other examples of them running desperately with this line ignoring any possibility that it may simply be a clerical error in any way.

So much for any moment of introspection...

Look, this guy, who self identifies as a woman, went to PP looking for an abortion, and when they couldn't give him one, in fit of LGBT rage, shot up the clinic. It's Occam's razor.

The headline link is being used as pure propaganda, instantly otherizing Dear to serve the ends of denial among conservatives. It's a soothing little leap of faith for right-thinkers.

It's interesting how an easy typo, "s" for "d" changes the meaning entirely & how eagerly some people embrace the change.

In context, "Identified as..." means something entirely different than "identifies as..."

Yes, Dear was erroneously identifie(d) as a woman on a genealogy site. So what?

 

[Paratus]

In other cases of domestic terrorism like this most of the conservatives jump on the, "If only they had been armed!"

That seems curiously absent in this case. I thought concealed carry and stand your ground was supposed make people safer.

Is there some reason conservatives don't want to make a case for arming planned parenthood staff and pregnant women against these types of threats?

:hmm:

 

[Jaskalas]

In other cases of domestic terrorism like this most of the conservatives jump on the, "If only they had been armed!"

That seems curiously absent in this case. I thought concealed carry and stand your ground was supposed make people safer.

Is there some reason conservatives don't want to make a case for arming planned parenthood staff and pregnant women against these types of threats?

:hmm:

It's not being spoken of because the air is already filled with condemnation of conservatives.
Then you double down and wonder why the conversation isn't about guns...

:hmm:

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes, Dear was erroneously identifie(d) as a woman on a genealogy site. So what?

Anyone here bat!@#$ crazy enough to run with that notion?
Anyone?

 

[Paratus]

It's not being spoken of because the air is already filled with condemnation of conservatives.
Then you double down and wonder why the conversation isn't about guns...

:hmm:

I don't understand. When a schools attacked the call is to arm kindergarten teachers. When a church is attacked arm the minister.

Why would some conservative condemnation on the web mean Drs and nurses shouldn't be armed. Don't conservatives want to head off any calls for gun control from this situation?

 

[umbrella39]

Whine much?

All day long, especially about the blood that is now on his and POS like his hands...

 

[Jaskalas]

Why would some conservative condemnation on the web mean...

It means there's no other conversation. Period.
The narrative of arming everyone and their dog hasn't changed.
There's just no time for it when digging out of the !@#$ pile flung by Dems.

 

[Vic]

I actually like that the gun red herring isn't present in this conversation.

 

[Darwin333]

In other cases of domestic terrorism like this most of the conservatives jump on the, "If only they had been armed!"

That seems curiously absent in this case. I thought concealed carry and stand your ground was supposed make people safer.

Is there some reason conservatives don't want to make a case for arming planned parenthood staff and pregnant women against these types of threats?

:hmm:

Well I'm not a conservative or a liberal or any other label they try to put on people but personally I think workers of PP should be encouraged to CC. Hell the .gov should pay for their training and certification if the employee so desires to conceal carry. That should be some funding that the right could get behind, hell might even be the way to force them into voting to increase their funding.

They have been attacked numerous times already so it only makes sense. I sure as hell wouldn't work there without a gun or if they didn't allow me to carry they better damn well ensure my safety with their own armed guards.

 

[Jaskalas]

I actually like that the gun red herring isn't present in this conversation.

Yes, it'd be interesting to explore where people stand on Fox News's liability in promoting a false campaign against planned parenthood. One which continues to be indisputably believed by many across the nation. Which this shooter obviously believed... and followed through on.

The "gotcha" videos aren't what they claimed to be, but did Fox ever retract those stories and issue apologies for them? Did they carefully present them in a way to help weasel out of any responsibility in cleaning up the mess that they promoted?

If they coach their stories with "claim" and "report to" and "may" before promoting, with great prominence, the false narrative, are they absolved of the consequences of broadcasting it? Maybe it's a legal way of getting out of trouble, but is it moral to lead people to false facts and false conclusions? To infer lies upon the population?

If not legal trouble, it's certainly moral trouble. Do our laws need to change to apply to such cases?