ACORN Registration Workers Charged With Felony Voter Fraud

[ElFenix]

This has been, and will continue to be ignored by those frothing at the mouth over this organization.

they incentivize making bogus lists and then claim that they're innocent because they have to hand the lists over.

 

[Pens1566]

they incentivize making bogus lists and then claim that they're innocent because they have to hand the lists over.

Then your attention should be towards changing the regulations they are following as intended, and not the group following the regulations.

 

[ElFenix]

Then your attention should be towards changing the regulations they are following as intended, and not the group following the regulations.

or maybe they shouldn't incentivize making bullshit lists?

 

[Steeplerot]

Man this ACORN voter fraud conspiracy thing is retarded. It's a really simple organization.

ACORN hires a bunch of minimum wage workers who really don't give a shit about overthrowing the gov't or whatever the right wing thinks they're doing. They get tasked with signing up new voters. But again they really don't give a shit so some of them fill in fake names instead of actually signing up new voters.

The folks back at ACORN see these fake names but are required by fucking law to hand them in to the registrar anyway, so they do with a post-it note saying we think these are fake but are required by fucking law to give them to you.

This law is actually meant to protect people from having their registrations thrown out by opposing groups.. no registrations can be tossed fake or not.

No one ever votes with these fake names because they're just Mickey Mouse shit written down on a piece of paper that get tossed at the registrar's office.. there's no story here.

I was working for Nader in 08 getting ballots signed, I would see Acorn folks around and speak to them often on the campus at I worked.

This is such a dumb conspiracy, these kids were NOT hourly wage employees, they are paid-per-sig commission. Every year or so some idiot tries to fake sigs and get busted...by the feds. Really dumb idea.

Demonizing a group of kids going out to register people in the community and making a few bucks in the summer as trying to overthrow the government or some stupid nefarious socialist plot is plain stupid.

And yes, in CA, and NM where I worked it was required by law to turn in ALL sigs to the registrar. Even if it said Che Guevara or 'Rappin Reagan or something the state would still check every sig.

This is how idiots cheating the system get caught. That 80 cent extra signature is NOT worth the federal pen.

Just to give you an idea of how this worked day to day, I myself would stand over and watch people sign, if they put something obviously bunk I would ask them to correct it, or ask them to just not sign, but thank you as these go into the government at the end of the day. People always obliged my request.

Keeping paperwork square is one of the biggest parts of these jobs, and people who fake stuff make us all look bad who care enough to do this.

 

[sandorski]

or maybe they shouldn't incentivize making bullshit lists?

Banks shouldn't incentivize Robbery!!!!!

 

[Bowfinger]

they incentivize making bogus lists and then claim that they're innocent because they have to hand the lists over.

Can you explain what, exactly, they're claiming to be innocent of? I don't see ACORN's motivation to "incentivize making bogus lists" given that they don't gain anything by doing so. There's no record of these bogus registrations being used for voter fraud, so it seems to me the only thing ACORN gains is a lot of hassle and a black eye. It also costs them money to pay for and handle these fraudulent registrations. In a sense, ACORN is a victim of the fraud. (Not that I'm shedding too many tears for them, because as I've said before, they're largely a "victim" of their own poor management. Poor management != evil motives, however.)

So from my perspective, that's the key point all the loons screeching about this can't grasp. There's no upside for ACORN. They (the loons) work themselves into a frothy rage because they swallow their party's propaganda without ever engaging their brains. They're being played as fools ... or I'm missing something.

Please explain what I'm missing.

 

[Craig234]

or maybe they shouldn't incentivize making bullshit lists?

You have really fallen in your posting standards.

Saying they 'incentivize' people to cheat by paying them to do work and requiring them to do some isn't 'incentivizing cheating'.

Do you expect them to say "we'll pay you even if you show up with no signatures"?

Your 'argument' - it's a joke to say it is one - is that any time a business has an employee cheat to get credit the business 'incented' them to cheat.

You don't notice that they:

- instruct the people NOT to forge names

- LOSE, rather than GAIN, if the people break the rule

- get rid of the people who cheat

- cooperate with prosecution

- follow the law.

The ONLY thing your nonsense fits is the Republican lie that ACORN is out to cheat in elections with phony voter forms - something that's false, and you have no evidence of.

You should not post such crap.

 

[theamericans075]

Voter fraud does not equal voter registration fraud, quit equating them.

Not a single person voted fraudlently

 

[werepossum]

Voter fraud does not equal voter registration fraud, quit equating them.

Not a single person voted fraudlently

Perhaps you should read the opening post?

Sorry, have someone read the opening post to you.

 

[Bowfinger]

Perhaps you should read the opening post?

Sorry, have someone read the opening post to you.

Follow your own advice. Be sure they read it really slowly for you. You guys aren't very good at absorbing those things that contradict your RNC indoctrination. (Hint: Only two of the five worked for ACORN. They were only charged with registration violations, NOT voting.)

You owe someone an apology. Let's see if you're man enough to give it, or whether you're just another ignorant wing-nut blowhard.


Edit: Disregard. Having now read your posts in the Reagan thread, the answer is obvious.

 

[OrByte]

Perhaps you should read the opening post?

Sorry, have someone read the opening post to you.

eek!

 

[Bowfinger]

Can you explain what, exactly, they're claiming to be innocent of? I don't see ACORN's motivation to "incentivize making bogus lists" given that they don't gain anything by doing so. There's no record of these bogus registrations being used for voter fraud, so it seems to me the only thing ACORN gains is a lot of hassle and a black eye. It also costs them money to pay for and handle these fraudulent registrations. In a sense, ACORN is a victim of the fraud. (Not that I'm shedding too many tears for them, because as I've said before, they're largely a "victim" of their own poor management. Poor management != evil motives, however.)

So from my perspective, that's the key point all the loons screeching about this can't grasp. There's no upside for ACORN. They (the loons) work themselves into a frothy rage because they swallow their party's propaganda without ever engaging their brains. They're being played as fools ... or I'm missing something.

Please explain what I'm missing.

Hello? Anyone?

 

[werepossum]

Voter fraud does not equal voter registration fraud, quit equating them.

Not a single person voted fraudlently

Follow your own advice. Be sure they read it really slowly for you. You guys aren't very good at absorbing those things that contradict your RNC indoctrination. (Hint: Only two of the five worked for ACORN. They were only charged with registration violations, NOT voting.)

You owe someone an apology. Let's see if you're man enough to give it, or whether you're just another ignorant wing-nut blowhard.


Edit: Disregard. Having now read your posts in the Reagan thread, the answer is obvious.

The statement made was "Not a single person voted fraudlently." (SIC)

From the original article: "Herbert and Suzanne Gunka are each charged with double voting -- a felony -- by allegedly absentee voting and then going to the polls to vote." Thus two persons voted fraudulently, by voting in person after also voting absentee.

Either you and theamericans075 have a complete lack of understanding of the definition of "person" (Hint: It does not mean ACORN employee) or you think that somehow since blatant lies work for your politicians they will also somehow work for you. Or perhaps you'd like to debate the meaning of the word "is"? Maybe a nice rant about the 200 election or evil Republican voting machines?

 

[Bowfinger]

The statement made was "Not a single person voted fraudlently." (SIC)

From the original article: "Herbert and Suzanne Gunka are each charged with double voting -- a felony -- by allegedly absentee voting and then going to the polls to vote." Thus two persons voted fraudulently, by voting in person after also voting absentee.

Either you and theamericans075 have a complete lack of understanding of the definition of "person" (Hint: It does not mean ACORN employee) or you think that somehow since blatant lies work for your politicians they will also somehow work for you. Or perhaps you'd like to debate the meaning of the word "is"? Maybe a nice rant about the 200 election or evil Republican voting machines?

Bullshit. This thread is all about ACORN. Nobody in this thread said one word about the other three, even though the more serious charges were all against non-ACORN people. Nobody, that is, until you tried to excuse your own lack of reading comprehension -- and your partisan blindness -- behind them. You're showing exactly the lack of integrity I expected based on your other posts here.

 

[werepossum]

Bullshit. This thread is all about ACORN. Nobody in this thread said one word about the other three, even though more the serious charges were all against non-ACORN people. Nobody, that is, until you tried to excuse your own lack of reading comprehension -- and your partisan blindness -- behind them. You're showing exactly the lack of integrity I expected based on your other posts here.

Ah, so words from liberals don't mean what they say, but some other weasel thing. No wonder Democrats lie all the time, when caught you just have to twist the words around to find something that might fit the lie.

It all depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is, right?

And Bowfinger goes on the ignore list with those other fundamentally dishonest progs.

 

[Bowfinger]

Ah, so words from liberals don't mean what they say, but some other weasel thing. No wonder Democrats lie all the time, when caught you just have to twist the words around to find something that might fit the lie.

It all depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is, right?

And Bowfinger goes on the ignore list with those other fundamentally dishonest progs.

How typical. Maintain your blissful ignorance by ignoring anything challenging your partisan indoctrination; blame everyone but yourself for your own dishonesty. No wonder you're such a fan of Reagan and North.

 

[Pens1566]

How typical. Maintain your blissful ignorance by ignoring anything challenging your partisan indoctrination; blame everyone but yourself for you own dishonesty. No wonder you're such a fan of Reagan and North.

Hey, if he ignores us all then AT P&N is just his own personal blog.

edit: I'm also just quoting you so he gets to see it

 

[ElFenix]

You have really fallen in your posting standards.

Saying they 'incentivize' people to cheat by paying them to do work and requiring them to do some isn't 'incentivizing cheating'.

Do you expect them to say "we'll pay you even if you show up with no signatures"?

i stopped having posting standards years ago when i realized that thoughtful and well-reasoned posts were either ignored or dismissed out of hand by most people here.


i'd prefer it be 100% volunteer work.

 

[werepossum]

Hey, if he ignores us all then AT P&N is just his own personal blog.

edit: I'm also just quoting you so he gets to see it

Arrg! Cheat! LOL

Obviously I don't have you on Ignore. I don't even have Craig on Ignore, at least any more, since although he's far, far left he also occasionally makes very good (if consistently left wing) points. But there are a few rules. In no particular order here are a few:

You must have at least some intellectual honesty; if what you said is not what you MEANT to say, man up and say so, don't just insist that "everybody knows" that you MEANT to say something completely different. (E.G. in the Reagan thread I said something that was totally wrong, posting "Osama bin Ladin" when I should have said "Abu Nidal". Not that I meant to say Nidal, I didn't, but I was wrong and Red Dawn schooled me so I admitted it. Being factually wrong on the Internet has few consequences and shouldn't be that hard to admit.)

You must occasionally make valid, well-reasoned points. Sandorski, for instance, for all that he usually just says "Fail" and is almost diametrically opposite me politically, has posted some brilliant things, some of which I even agree with. Even foaming moonbat comments are okay, but unless there is something more than "Republicans suck!" I'm going to avoid it. If you can't be intelligent, at least be humorous.

You cannot start from a false position to gain credibility. He who posts "I'm a lifelong conservative/Republican, but I hate Bush, he's the worst president ever" had best show some evidence of conservative and/or Republican views on he goes on Ignore automatically. An echo chamber is no fun and I'm here primarily for the opposing views, but be honest about your own biases.

There is of course no real downside to being on my Ignore list, except that you can't bait me. But for me it saves time - I just mentally insert a standard "Republicans = Hitler" comment and move on. If I consider someone to truly be an idiot, there's no point in me continually pointing it out. If at some time in the future I see Bowfinger quoted saying something worth considering, then he comes off my Ignore list. Unless and until that happens, it's no skin off his nose anyway.

 

[umbrella39]

Bullshit. This thread is all about ACORN. Nobody in this thread said one word about the other three, even though more the serious charges were all against non-ACORN people. Nobody, that is, until you tried to excuse your own lack of reading comprehension -- and your partisan blindness -- behind them. You're showing exactly the lack of integrity I expected based on your other posts here.

His back-peddle is broken I think. He's just one of those can't admit he's eaten a pile of shit despite having a mouth full of it.

 

[Robor]

I haven't been as active here lately, are troll-n-run's allowed now?

 

[werepossum]

I haven't been as active here lately, are troll-n-run's allowed now?

Allowed? Hell, they're practically mandatory. Come on in, the water's global warming.

 

[theamericans075]

they incentivize making bogus lists and then claim that they're innocent because they have to hand the lists over.

There was no incentive. They flagged obviously fake registrations. Hope this helps!