ACLU moves to suppress 1st Amendment within its own ranks

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
And for that last freaking time......

THE ACLU NEVER DEFENDED ANYONE'S RIGHT TO MOLEST CHILDREN!!

The case that you (OP) and the rest of your ilk (those too freaking lazy, stupid, intellectully dishonest or the trifecta of all threee) keep referring to was a group's right to advocate for changing laws. It had nothing then and even less now about supporting molestors.

Your right.
Technically, the ACLU defended their right to say they should have sex with 3rd graders.

Six one half dozen the other. So the ACLU doesnt say "You should have sex with small boys" but they say "You have the right to say you should have sex with small boys"
Scemantics in my opinion. ACLU obviously supports the NAMBLA. You can argue the nitty gritty all you want.

I got into this exact discussion in another ACLU thread where I was criticizing them for their extraordinary lax/narrow/politically expedient non defense of the 2nd Amendment.

The distinction you pointed out as "technical" makes all the difference in the world. Just because they defend the right to say something does not mean they support the aims of that organization. The ACLU has represented far too many groups/people, many of whose ideology is the complete reverse of the other, for that to be the case.

Then heres one you should be very familiar with.
If I own an AR15, and a pistol upper for it (Regardless of whether or not its ON the lower) I have an NFA violation if I dont have a tax stamp.
If I own an AR15 and have an M16 carrier group/trigger group, I have an NFA violation.

Technicality my ass. So, if I own the stuff to make a firearm but dont use it I still have an illegal firearm.
If I own the information (or website or what have you ) to support sex with 3rd grade boys I'm just exercising my 1st?

Give me a break. ACLU can burn in Hell along with the rest of the baby rapers. The ACLU defended a site that had information used to break the law, the information was used in the process of a crime.

They supported an organization that pushes sex with 3rd grade boys, theys upported an organization that led to a crime. Hope the ACLU comes running to defend the poor schmuck that gets busted with M16 parts in his closet while his AR15 is in the other room.

Like I've said. Remember, everyone is equal. Some people are more equal then others.

How can you stand the taste of speaking out of your a$$ so much? The OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF NAMBLA that the ACLU was defending, didn't push sex with 3rd grade boys or lead to a crime. For F*CKS SAKE do a little research for once.

The website advocated CHANGING THE AGE OF CONSENT LAW!!! Nothing more, nothing less.

CNN Story from 2001

On its Web site, NAMBLA says it is a political organization that favors repeal of age-of-consent laws, but opposes any form of sexual coercion.

"For us, it is a fundamental First Amendment case," John Roberts,
executive director of the Massachusetts branch of the ACLU, told
Boston Globe Wednesday. "It has to do with communications on a
website, and material that does not promote any kind of criminal
behavior whatsoever."

But I guess that it is soooo much easier for you to sit there and spit out complete horsesh*t hyperbole than to do a google search.

Like I said, you can argue it all you want.
You have your side, I have mine.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
The ACLU wants guns banned just as bad as the next liberal organization. Find one case where the ACLU has defended gun ownership or the 2nd Amendment since its inception.

Remember, theres only 9 Rights on the original Bill of Rights.
The 1st, 3rd, 4th....etc etc. All 9 are rights of the individual. But the 2nd, no that was a typo. That one doesnt apply to the individual.

Um, you do realize there are about two dozen amendments. The ACLU defends four and only four items. They do not have the time, money, or resources to defend every case that ever arises. Thus they narrow their focus to four issues. What is wrong with that? Many other organizations are out there defending the other amendments.

For example, they don't defend Amendment XXVII. Are you angry they don't defend it? If so, why are you angry? Why must a private organization defend all amendments?

Without the ACLU, maybe you would no longer have your right to bash the ACLU. Be glad you have them around.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Like I said, you can argue it all you want.
You have your side, I have mine.

But your side is not only misinformed, but horribly ignorant. Do you even think about what you post?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Like I said, you can argue it all you want.
You have your side, I have mine.

But your side is not only misinformed, but horribly ignorant. Do you even think about what you post?

Sure do.
My side is pretty clear. Sex with 3rd graders really isnt something I'm going to promote or support.
You do as you please, and you support what you want.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Specop 007
The ACLU wants guns banned just as bad as the next liberal organization. Find one case where the ACLU has defended gun ownership or the 2nd Amendment since its inception.

Remember, theres only 9 Rights on the original Bill of Rights.
The 1st, 3rd, 4th....etc etc. All 9 are rights of the individual. But the 2nd, no that was a typo. That one doesnt apply to the individual.

Um, you do realize there are about two dozen amendments. The ACLU defends four and only four items. They do not have the time, money, or resources to defend every case that ever arises. Thus they narrow their focus to four issues. What is wrong with that? Many other organizations are out there defending the other amendments.

For example, they don't defend Amendment XXVII. Are you angry they don't defend it? If so, why are you angry? Why must a private organization defend all amendments?

Without the ACLU, maybe you would no longer have your right to bash the ACLU. Be glad you have them around.

Oh yes, I'm thankful every day for the ACLU.... :laugh:

Mr. Romero said it was not unusual for the A.C.L.U. to grapple with conflicting issues involving civil liberties. "Take hate speech," he said. "While believing in free speech, we do not believe in or condone speech that attacks minorities."

Ok, protect minorities. What about everyone else? What about "Kill whitey"?
Ohh...I see. Hate speech only applies if its directed to minorities. Gotchya.

Remember kids, everyone is equal. Some people are more equal then others.

Bill of Rights

They demanded a "bill of rights" that would spell out the immunities of individual citizens.

ACLUs stance

We believe that the constitutional right to bear arms is primarily a collective one

Ah yes. All the Amendments in the Bill of Rights are individual rights....Except the 2nd, which is a collective right! Makes sense to me...

Remember kids, everyone is equal. Some are more equal then others.


I have no use for them. I view their importance right up there with the Brady Bunch...err..Brady Campaign.

 

[Specop 007]

Thread hijack FTW! :Q

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Give me a break. ACLU can burn in Hell along with the rest of the baby rapers.

Did they kill a puppy and drink its blood too? :roll: You're such an unbelievable tard when it comes to this topic, it's obvious that no amount of logic will budge you from your ignorant opinion. So fine, go ahead and hate your little heart out.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: alien42
you would think a gun freak would appreciate what the ACLU does

The ACLU wants guns banned just as bad as the next liberal organization. Find one case where the ACLU has defended gun ownership or the 2nd Amendment since its inception.

Remember, theres only 9 Rights on the original Bill of Rights.
The 1st, 3rd, 4th....etc etc. All 9 are rights of the individual. But the 2nd, no that was a typo. That one doesnt apply to the individual.

For the record, I happen to disagree with the ACLU on the 2nd Amendment rights issue. But on the rest of the bill of rights, they are dead on...and if I have to pick between a bunch of gun nuts who ONLY care about the 2nd Amendment and an organization that cares about the entire Bill of Rights minus the 2nd Amendment, guess which one I'll side with...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Thread hijack FTW! :Q

It's not a thread hijack if you bring up the hijack topic first there chief.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Like I said, you can argue it all you want.
You have your side, I have mine.

But your side is not only misinformed, but horribly ignorant. Do you even think about what you post?

Sure do.
My side is pretty clear. Sex with 3rd graders really isnt something I'm going to promote or support.
You do as you please, and you support what you want.

Let's put it in terms of the 2nd Amendment. You, and pro-gun orgs like the NRA, support putting dangerous weapons (fully automatic weapons, for example) into the hands of virtually everyone in the adult population. These kinds of weapons are often used by gangs and criminals to do various nasty things. Are you telling me that you and the NRA support gangs, criminals and terrorists having guns?

Before you jump all over that analogy, let me point out that gun ownership is NOT NAMBLA type websites, it's free speech. Supporting free speech, just like supporting gun owernship, doesn't mean you agree with or condone all USES of those rights...but given the choice between civil rights being taken advantage of by not so nice people and those civil rights being taken away, I think I know what side *I* come down on. And you do too, at least when it comes to things you recognize from Counterstrike

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
and an organization that cares about the entire Bill of Rights minus the 2nd Amendment

Name one organization that does that. Try it. The ACLU certainly isn't like that. The do not defend the entire Bill of Rights. They do not defend the entire Bill of Rights minus the 2nd Amendment.

The ACLU defends these amendments: 1st, 13th, 14th, 15th, and 19th. They do not defend any other type of case. They are not against the other amendments. They are not against the constitution. They simply have a focus to defend liberty. Those are the amendments related to liberty. Hence the name: AC(Liberty)U.

The ACLU will not try to weaken the 2nd amendment. They will not do anything about it. It just isn't their mission. Other organizations fight for or against the 2nd amendment. The ACLU is simply mute on that issue.

 

[robphelan]

Remember kids, everyone is equal. Some are more equal then others.

i love this especially coming from the rightwing where it's nothing but looking out for oneself one one's cronies - screw the little guy because he doesn't matter.