ACLU fires back at Bush and Democrat-Controlled Congress

[lupi]

Wrong Forum. If you have a problem with my edit then feel free to take it up with Derek. I did copy your original post just in case you had a problem with my edit.

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[lupi]

Edited re-air for some comprehension issue;



The ACLU?
 
Anyone trying to bring that collection of scum up in a positive view deserves to spend some quality time sucking the barrel end of a loaded shotgun. Defending America or the Constitution, ha. They are about as truthful in saying that as I am when talking about Madonna stopping by for a couple hours last night for some good shagging. Every action they take is to further their narrow minded agenda and is about as concerned for the nation as established by those writing the original documents as is any other political hack organization. A true poster child example of being part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: lupi
Edited re-air for some comprehension issue;



The ACLU?

Anyone trying to bring that collection of scum up in a positive view deserves to spend some quality time sucking the barrel end of a loaded shotgun. Defending America or the Constitution, ha. They are about as truthful in saying that as I am when talking about Madonna stopping by for a couple hours last night for some good shagging. Every action they take is to further their narrow minded agenda and is about as concerned for the nation as established by those writing the original documents as is any other political hack organization. A true poster child example of being part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

Yet they would be the first to take up your case if you were so wronged.

 

[lupi]

I doubt that. Given their cherry picking ways of going over the bill of rights I very much doubt we would ever be sharing the same side in such a case.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: bamacre
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...tTi1o7Zf6_gNLasM0E1vAI

Good, I hope they win. Our government's reaction to terrorism has destroyed much more than terrorists could ever hope to do so.

Yet another one time conservative Republican finally discovers the ACLU.

Welcome, son. We've been here on the side of freedom -- true, ideologically unbound freedom -- all along. :thumbsup:

I give money each and every year to the ACLU!

When the ACLU decides to support all our rights, I'll support the ACLU.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: lupi
I doubt that. Given their cherry picking ways of going over the bill of rights I very much doubt we would ever be sharing the same side in such a case.

The ACLU steps up when it is needed. The NRA already takes care of the gun nuts. The ACLU takes care of most everything else.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: lupi
I doubt that. Given their cherry picking ways of going over the bill of rights I very much doubt we would ever be sharing the same side in such a case.

The ACLU steps up when it is needed. The NRA already takes care of the gun nuts. The ACLU takes care of most everything else.

Except the ACLU has made a statement that essentialyl says "The Justices got it wrong, its a collective Right".

Whatever. I didnt know the ACLU was the ruling body on the Bill of Rights? How does an ACLU lawyer count to 10?

1,3,4,5......

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: lupi
I doubt that. Given their cherry picking ways of going over the bill of rights I very much doubt we would ever be sharing the same side in such a case.

The ACLU steps up when it is needed. The NRA already takes care of the gun nuts. The ACLU takes care of most everything else.

Except the ACLU has made a statement that essentialyl says "The Justices got it wrong, its a collective Right".

Whatever. I didnt know the ACLU was the ruling body on the Bill of Rights? How does an ACLU lawyer count to 10?

1,3,4,5......

Stupid diversion. How the ACLU feels about guns is moot. The NRA will take care of it. The ACLU steps up for all the other rights nobody else defends. Got it this time?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: lupi
I doubt that. Given their cherry picking ways of going over the bill of rights I very much doubt we would ever be sharing the same side in such a case.

The ACLU steps up when it is needed. The NRA already takes care of the gun nuts. The ACLU takes care of most everything else.

Except the ACLU has made a statement that essentialyl says "The Justices got it wrong, its a collective Right".

Whatever. I didnt know the ACLU was the ruling body on the Bill of Rights? How does an ACLU lawyer count to 10?

1,3,4,5......

So you think that the ACLU must adhere their constitutional philosophy to the supreme court's? What possible reason would you have for that?

You can disagree with the ACLU's opinion, but it's certainly a valid one. Not only was it the ruling precedent in the US for decades, but 4 out of the nine USSC justices agreed with it anyway. Hardly some fringe view.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: lupi
I doubt that. Given their cherry picking ways of going over the bill of rights I very much doubt we would ever be sharing the same side in such a case.

The ACLU steps up when it is needed. The NRA already takes care of the gun nuts. The ACLU takes care of most everything else.

Except the ACLU has made a statement that essentialyl says "The Justices got it wrong, its a collective Right".

Whatever. I didnt know the ACLU was the ruling body on the Bill of Rights? How does an ACLU lawyer count to 10?

1,3,4,5......

Stupid diversion. How the ACLU feels about guns is moot. The NRA will take care of it. The ACLU steps up for all the other rights nobody else defends. Got it this time?

Its not a "Stupid diversion". it strikes at the very heart of what the ACLU really is. They flat out state they feel the 2nd amendment is NOT an individual right, while at the same time stating all other rights are and then accuse the Justices of being wrong?

I'm sorry, I have no need of any "Rights" organization which will pick and choose which rights to defend and which not. Its not the "Bill of Selective Rights" and its not the "Bill of Mostly Individual Rights".

The ACLU had a position that it would support the 2nd if it were ever ruled an individual right. Now that that has happened they have changed their position to stating that they think the ruling is wrong......

 

[Fern]

The bill authorizes U.S. intelligence agencies to eavesdrop without court approval on foreign targets believed to be outside the United States.

Intel agencies, nor anyone else for that matter, are NOT required under the Constitution to obtain court orders or subpoenas to eavesdrop on foreigners outside the USA. To require it would be the very definition of stupidity, and our Founding Fathers weren't that dumb.

Depending upon the circumstances (the foreigners connection to the USA) a court order or subpoena may not be required even if the foreigner is in the USA.

Noone has yet made a good case that this affects our 4th Amendment right, and foreigners abroad simply don't have them.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Fern

The bill authorizes U.S. intelligence agencies to eavesdrop without court approval on foreign targets believed to be outside the United States.

Intel agencies, nor anyone else for that matter, are NOT required under the Constitution to obtain court orders or subpoenas to eavesdrop on foreigners outside the USA. To require it would be the very definition of stupidity, and our Founding Fathers weren't that dumb.

Depending upon the circumstances (the foreigners connection to the USA) a court order or subpoena may not be required even if the foreigner is in the USA.

Noone has yet made a good case that this affects our 4th Amendment right, and foreigners abroad simply don't have them.

Fern

Except I'm certain you know that what you quoted has nothing to do with the parts of the bill that people find offensive. The problems come from the spying on Americans without warrants. You know, the massively illegal thing that Bush has been doing.

You aren't actually trying to support this bill are you?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Its not a "Stupid diversion". it strikes at the very heart of what the ACLU really is. They flat out state they feel the 2nd amendment is NOT an individual right, while at the same time stating all other rights are and then accuse the Justices of being wrong?

I'm sorry, I have no need of any "Rights" organization which will pick and choose which rights to defend and which not. Its not the "Bill of Selective Rights" and its not the "Bill of Mostly Individual Rights".

The ACLU had a position that it would support the 2nd if it were ever ruled an individual right. Now that that has happened they have changed their position to stating that they think the ruling is wrong......

They do, but they also state that gun control, neither possession of guns or the regulation of guns, raises a civil liberties issue.

The ACLU doesn't need to concern themselves with an amendment that's already more than adequately defended by the NRA. It's akin to asking the NRA to go and defend the other amendments because if they're going to defend one they have to defend them all.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: lupi
I doubt that. Given their cherry picking ways of going over the bill of rights I very much doubt we would ever be sharing the same side in such a case.

The ACLU steps up when it is needed. The NRA already takes care of the gun nuts. The ACLU takes care of most everything else.

That must be why they file papers against Christian related items while filing briefs supporting Muslim ones.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Ldir

The ACLU steps up when it is needed. The NRA already takes care of the gun nuts. The ACLU takes care of most everything else.

That must be why they file papers against Christian related items while filing briefs supporting Muslim ones.

Here, I'm going to help you out with the crayon version of civil liberties.

Civil liberties are first and foremost in place to protect citizens from the government, and minorities (of any kind) from the tyranny of the majority. Christians are a majority in this country, Muslims are a small minority. This means that it is far far more likely for Christians to be able to successfully implement policies that infringe upon civil liberties then it is for Muslims, and it is far easier for the voice of Muslims to be ignored by the majority.

This is why the ACLU tends to file suit against Christian related items and tends to defend Muslim ones. This is pretty basic. Any more questions?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: lupi
I doubt that. Given their cherry picking ways of going over the bill of rights I very much doubt we would ever be sharing the same side in such a case.

The ACLU steps up when it is needed. The NRA already takes care of the gun nuts. The ACLU takes care of most everything else.

That must be why they file papers against Christian related items while filing briefs supporting Muslim ones.

I don't see Muslims constructing star and crescent shaped moments in our public squares and on our government properties, or insisting that the code of Sharia Law be posted in our courthouses. Yet, the Christians on the other hand . . .

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Ldir

The ACLU steps up when it is needed. The NRA already takes care of the gun nuts. The ACLU takes care of most everything else.

That must be why they file papers against Christian related items while filing briefs supporting Muslim ones.

Here, I'm going to help you out with the crayon version of civil liberties.

Civil liberties are first and foremost in place to protect citizens from the government, and minorities (of any kind) from the tyranny of the majority. Christians are a majority in this country, Muslims are a small minority. This means that it is far far more likely for Christians to be able to successfully implement policies that infringe upon civil liberties then it is for Muslims, and it is far easier for the voice of Muslims to be ignored by the majority.

This is why the ACLU tends to file suit against Christian related items and tends to defend Muslim ones. This is pretty basic. Any more questions?

Or is it because they hate the United States?