ACLU Cheers Suspension of Florida's Voter Purge Program

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ACLU Cheers Suspension of Florida’s Voter Purge Program

MIAMI - March 27 - Today, Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner issued a memorandum to the state’s Supervisors of Elections stating that the state’s effort to resurrect a flawed voter purge would be halted until after the 2014 Election.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Florida had filed to lawsuit to stop the state’s purge effort in 2012, which saw legitimate voters receiving letters telling them they would be removed from the voter rolls. That lawsuit had to be dismissed following the Supreme Court’s decision in Shelby County v. Holder which gutted a portion of the Voting Rights Act upon which that challenge depended. In the months since that dismissal, the ACLU of Florida and other voting rights groups have joined many county Supervisors of Elections in criticizing the effort for depending on an unreliable federal database and increasing the potential for legally-registered citizens to be denied their right to vote.

In the memo sent to Supervisors of Elections today, Secretary Detzner stated that a federal overhaul of the Department of Homeland Security’s Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program - a database not intended for checking voter eligibility but upon which the new purge would be based – would not be completed until 2015 and that the renewed purge would be postponed until after the completion of those changes.

Responding to today’s announcement, ACLU of Florida Executive Director Howard Simon said the following:

“As we’ve stated since our initial lawsuit challenging the voter purge, there was never any evidence that there was a problem that the purge would fix, but that the purge was simply another voter suppression tool justified by the ginned-up phantom of ‘voter fraud.’ It now appears that the very database that Secretary Detzner and Governor Scott pinned their hopes on and that we had warned was too unreliable to be used for elections is ultimately the voter purge’s undoing.

“At meeting after meeting of Secretary Detzner’s tour of the state in an attempt to generate support for the so-called ‘Project Integrity’ voter purge, many of the state’s Supervisors of Elections raised the same concerns that we shared about the purge effort, and chief among those concerns was its dependence on a flawed and unreliable federal database. We thank those county Supervisors of Elections who raised the alarm and spoke out against what was not in fact a project about ‘integrity,’ but a transparently political effort to suppress the vote.

“Restoring trust in our state’s elections requires more than paying lip-service to ‘integrity’ while at the same time creating new barriers for legitimate voters. It was irresponsible for Gov. Scott to undermine faith in our elections by creating fear that our voter rolls were filled with illegitimate voters when there was no evidence to suggest it. Today’s announcement confirms that the purge itself was the real threat to election integrity all along.

“Although the purge is dead for the 2014 election, we will remain vigilant against any other effort to make it harder for Floridians to vote and will continue to work to ensure that every legitimate voter still has a voice in our democracy.”

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Thebobo

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Situations like this they make me proud to support them.

Congratulations.
 

michal1980

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aclu like the democratic party standing up for the illegals.

They should remove the 'A' from their name.
 

shira

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aclu like the democratic party standing up for the illegals.

They should remove the 'A' from their name.

In other words, you think that purging legitimate voters from the rolls - which even Detzner was forced to acknowledge was a reality of the planned "Integrity" project - is a good thing?
 

michal1980

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In other words, you think that purging legitimate voters from the rolls - which even Detzner was forced to acknowledge was a reality of the planned "Integrity" project - is a good thing?

In supporting the ACLU actions here you think its a good thing that illegals and people not allowed to vote should.
 

shira

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In supporting the ACLU actions here you think its a good thing that illegals and people not allowed to vote should.

In other words, we can count on the right to err on the side of voter DIS-enfranchisement rather than voter ENfranchisement.

By your reasoning, we should do the same thing in criminal trials - guilty until proven innocent. "You think it's a good thing that criminals and people who otherwise commit illegal acts should get away with it?"
 

michal1980

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In other words, we can count on the right to err on the side of voter DIS-enfranchisement rather than voter ENfranchisement.

By your reasoning, we should do the same thing in criminal trials - guilty until proven innocent. "You think it's a good thing that criminals and people who otherwise commit illegal acts should get away with it?"

The legal voters would have still been allowed to vote. Just have to re-enroll

But you, just like the ACLU don't seem to mind legitimate voters being disenfranchised.
 

JManInPhoenix

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I wonder what would happen if a person had to pass a rudimentary civics exam before they could register vote? This was used to disenfranchise black voters during Jim Crow while letting whites with the same or less education still vote. You could probably cull half of the registered voters in both major parties instantly.
 

Jhhnn

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The legal voters would have still been allowed to vote. Just have to re-enroll

But you, just like the ACLU don't seem to mind legitimate voters being disenfranchised.

So, uhh, what happens when you show up to vote & find out you've been purged? Can you re-register on the spot?

Explain how legitimate voters are being disenfranchised by the ACLU, and explain why this purge is a good & honest thing other than in your imagination. From the ACLU-

As we’ve stated since our initial lawsuit challenging the voter purge, there was never any evidence that there was a problem that the purge would fix, but that the purge was simply another voter suppression tool justified by the ginned-up phantom of ‘voter fraud.

Show us the fraud. As often as Righties rave about the subject, it should be easy.
 

michal1980

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So, uhh, what happens when you show up to vote & find out you've been purged? Can you re-register on the spot?

Explain how legitimate voters are being disenfranchised by the ACLU, and explain why this purge is a good & honest thing other than in your imagination. From the ACLU-



Show us the fraud. As often as Righties rave about the subject, it should be easy.

ACLU never made the claim that only legit voters were being purged. Therefore the books currently contain illegitimate voters, anyone of which who if voting would be disenfranchising legitimate voters.

the feds would rather the illegals vote. After all the administration considers them citizens..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/joe-biden-illegal-immigrants-are-already-american-/
 
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ACLU never made the claim that only legit voters were being purged. Therefore the books currently contain illegitimate voters, anyone of which who if voting would be disenfranchising legitimate voters.

So it's worth disenfranchising some legitimate voters if it stops illegal votes from being cast? Is it a strict 1:1 ratio? If you disenfranchise 1 legitimate vote to stop 1 illegitimate vote, is that good enough? Or does it need to be 10 illegitimate votes to disenfranchise 1 legitimate voter? 100? Where's the line where it's acceptable to disenfranchise some legitimate voters to stop illegitimate votes from being cast?
 

MongGrel

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I wonder what would happen if a person had to pass a rudimentary civics exam before they could register vote? This was used to disenfranchise black voters during Jim Crow while letting whites with the same or less education still vote. You could probably cull half of the registered voters in both major parties instantly.
+1
 

michal1980

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So it's worth disenfranchising some legitimate voters if it stops illegal votes from being cast? Is it a strict 1:1 ratio? If you disenfranchise 1 legitimate vote to stop 1 illegitimate vote, is that good enough? Or does it need to be 10 illegitimate votes to disenfranchise 1 legitimate voter? 100? Where's the line where it's acceptable to disenfranchise some legitimate voters to stop illegitimate votes from being cast?

why would they be disenfranchised? Just re-register.
 

Jhhnn

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ACLU never made the claim that only legit voters were being purged. Therefore the books currently contain illegitimate voters, anyone of which who if voting would be disenfranchising legitimate voters.

the feds would rather the illegals vote. After all the administration considers them citizens..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/joe-biden-illegal-immigrants-are-already-american-/

Dance, dance, dance!

You don't get to define disenfranchisement any way you want, the same way you don't get to define day as night.

Show me the fraud. Surely you can do that, if it exists.

It's remarkable that you can quote a question w/o answering it, as well, then divert into the weeds over a truncated quote.

“You know, 11 million people live in the shadows. I believe they’re already American citizens,” Mr. Biden said during a Thursday address to the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, The Hill reported. “These people are just waiting, waiting for a chance to contribute fully. And by that standard, 11 million undocumented aliens are already Americans, in my view.”

He said he wants illegals to become citizens, not that he thinks they should vote when they're not. Any rational person can see that.

Might want to consider the idea that the reason you can neither explain nor defend what you believe is that you believe in lies.
 

brycejones

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why would they be disenfranchised? Just re-register.

Florida has same day voter registration? Does Florida have proof of citizenship requirements that would mean someone registering would have to bring the appropriate documents to the polling place to be able to take advantage of same day registration if it existed?
 

Jhhnn

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Florida has same day voter registration? Does Florida have proof of citizenship requirements that would mean someone registering would have to bring the appropriate documents to the polling place to be able to take advantage of same day registration if it existed?

He obviously has no idea, but he'll spout any line that justifies his rant.

None of it means shit in the absence of proof of significant fraud.

Ravers need to show us the fraud. Show Us The Fraud. SHOW US THE FRAUD.

Or just shut the fuck up.
 

michal1980

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I refer you to the Arizona thread where they found tons of ineligible voters.

why would Florida be better?

how much fraud are you ok with? How many voters are you willing to disenfranchise?
 

Jhhnn

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I refer you to the Arizona thread where they found tons of ineligible voters.

why would Florida be better?

how much fraud are you ok with? How many voters are you willing to disenfranchise?

They merely allege tons of fraud. The fact that you can't tell the difference should be illustrative of the impenetrable darkness between your ears. Shining a light into a bottomless pit creates no images, just fantasies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/arizona-voter-fraud_n_4296907.html

And you still try to redefine words to mean what you want them to mean. "Disenfranchise" means to deny someone the right to vote. It has nothing to do with other people voting, period.
 

Texashiker

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In other words, you think that purging legitimate voters from the rolls - which even Detzner was forced to acknowledge was a reality of the planned "Integrity" project - is a good thing?

People to lazy to go to the court house are re-register?

I see no problem with purging suspected invalid voters. Just give the people enough time to go register again for the next election.
 

Oldgamer

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You can't just re-register once you have been purged when they purge voters from the polls and don't give proper notice to those they purged. That is what happened in Florida previously, people showed up to vote and found out on voting day that they had been purged. They were denied the ability to vote. You have to be given notice in a timely manner, and that is why Florida got into trouble the last time. They were not giving people notice.
 

Texashiker

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You can't just re-register once you have been purged when they purge voters from the polls and don't give proper notice to those they purged.

That is just wrong.

The county clerk could not send out letters letting the people know what is going on?

Sounds like the county clerk was being lazy.
 

Oldgamer

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That is just wrong.

The county clerk could not send out letters letting the people know what is going on?

Sounds like the county clerk was being lazy.


Did you not read what I typed? or are you just selectively quoting part of my response?

Florida got into big trouble in the past for not notifying voters in a timely manner about being purged. In fact many just flat out received no notice until the day they showed up to vote. Some in the state were like "ooops, so sorry". You can't do that.

That is why the Judge ruled the way they did, and ACLU got their big victory.
 

Texashiker

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Florida got into big trouble in the past for not notifying voters in a timely manner about being purged. In fact many just flat out received no notice until the day they showed up to vote. Some in the state were like "ooops, so sorry". You can't do that.

Dont blame the government, blame the voters.

The people voted their elected officials into office. Then they got what they deserved.