Accidentally took Ezpass lane on the highway.

[Ichinisan]

It's illegal for Arkansas license plate info to be given out for any reason other than law enforcement so how is some private toll road operator going to bill me?

The state operates the toll road, in most cases.

 

[CZroe]

The state operates the toll road, in most cases.

And the state hires private contractors.

 

[CZroe]

they just got chip and pin...

cmon it's hard being one step behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDnnPXDvvWQ

The Twin Towers were still standing tall.

 

[master_shake_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDnnPXDvvWQ

The Twin Towers were still standing tall.

not saying you're wrong just that...

well you're wrong.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...credit-card-breach-chip-pin-technology-europe

Yet here we are in 2014 and America, a supposed leader in all things financial, has yet to implement this technology (more commonly referred to on this side of the pond as EMV or "smart cards", which only reinforces that the US is still in the "dumb card" era). Some question whether chip and pin would have stopped the Target case entirely, but it sure would have made using the stolen data a lot harder.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomgroe...re-credit-cards-with-chips-coming-to-the-u-s/

 

[CZroe]

not saying you're wrong just that...

well you're wrong.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...credit-card-breach-chip-pin-technology-europe



http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomgroe...re-credit-cards-with-chips-coming-to-the-u-s/

They are wrong too. I specifically pointed that out when they tried to condemn Target for it.

Those articles pop up all the time and I have called them out many times. Target finally gave up about a year ago and removed all their smartcard readers but I still have several smart cards with the chip.

I've had Target Visa, AmEx Blue, Citibank Rewards Visa, and more with the smartchip. The main issue is that smartcard POS terminals are few and far between. The only place I know of with chip readers other than an ATM is Target and even they don't have them anymore.

In summation: Smartchip "chip and PIN" cards came and went in the US without catching on. Contactless RF payments ultimately made them pointless so even their backers stopped pushing for them. Your article ignores this and only talks about mobile/phone payments. Also, it confirms everything I said about US availability.

"Yet to implement" is incorrect even according to the rest of their own writing. They mean "Yet to become ubiquitous," which is based on the false premise that it will someday become ubiquitous before being replaced by something else (contactless and mobile device payments).

 

[master_shake_]

They are wrong too. I specifically pointed that out when they tried to condemn Target for it.

Those articles pop up all the time and I have called them out many times. Target finally gave up about a year ago and removed all their smartcard readers but I still have several smart cards with the chip.

I've had Target Visa, AmEx Blue, Citibank Rewards Visa, and more with the smartchip. The main issue is that smartcard POS terminals are few and far between. The only place I know of with chip readers other than an ATM is Target and even they don't have them anymore.

In summation: Smartchip "chip and PIN" cards came and went in the US without catching on. Contactless RF payments ultimately made them pointless so even their backers stopped pushing for them. Your article ignores this and only talks about mobile/phone payments. Also, it confirms everything I said about US availability.

"Yet to implement" is incorrect even according to the rest of their own writing. They mean "Yet to become ubiquitous," which is based on the false premise that it will someday become ubiquitous before being replaced by something else (contactless and mobile device payments).

then i will amend my previous statement.

they just got chip and pin everywhere unlike the rest of us...

cmon it's hard being one half-step behind.

better?

 

[Ichinisan]

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...credit-card-breach-chip-pin-technology-europe

That article implies that chip+PIN card readers can't read a regular magstrip card. All the chip+PIN card readers I've ever encountered in the US have no problem at all reading non-chip (magstrip) cards. The card passes over a magnetic pickup as it's pulled into the slot.

So, yeah. They were available, but not government-mandated...and that's why they never caught on.

 

[CZroe]

then i will amend my previous statement.



better?

Or far enough ahead to have ditched it already.

 

[master_shake_]

Or far enough ahead to have ditched it already.

2 steps forward one step back?

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/25/7069863/retailers-are-disabling-nfc-readers-to-shut-out-apple-pay

 

[LTC8K6]

And the state hires private contractors.

Yes, quite a few toll roads have been turned over to private contractors on long leases.

Chicago Skyway and Indiana Toll Road being two prominent ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_highways_in_the_United_States

 

[CZroe]

2 steps forward one step back?

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/25/7069863/retailers-are-disabling-nfc-readers-to-shut-out-apple-pay

Yawn. Google Wallet and Apple Pay are just a small, new, part of contactless payments that have been around for well over a decade. Almost every place has Blinc and other contact-less payments. Almost every wallet has cards that support it, even when the owners don't know. Apple Pay has yet to roll out to the world, so it's an example of another step here that the rest of the world has yet to take.

 

[gorcorps]

2 steps forward one step back?

http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/25/7069863/retailers-are-disabling-nfc-readers-to-shut-out-apple-pay

I call BS

Best Buy is one of the few places where NFC payments from my phone actually works.

 

[Ichinisan]

I call BS

Best Buy is one of the few places where NFC payments from my phone actually works.

That news hit the Blogosphere many months ago. Yes, some retailers want to cut-out transaction fees with their own system ("CurrentC"), which is more complicated for the consumer. I'm not sure if CurrentC will catch on because consumers seem to value convenience above all else. If it does catch on, consumer buying power would increase slightly as transaction fees are eliminated for many / most transactions.

The increased security of Apple Pay means less fraud and lower transaction fees, so I hope it catches on. Even though this retailer association is against Apple Pay, it's a good compromise between security, convenience, and reduced transaction fees.

 

[skyking]

Is this some sort of bizarre time warp/thread merge? you guys were talking toll roads and now the chip and pin stuff has contaminated the thread. WTF does Target have to do with toll roads?

 

[CZroe]

Is this some sort of bizarre time warp/thread merge? you guys were talking toll roads and now the chip and pin stuff has contaminated the thread. WTF does Target have to do with toll roads?

Because someone assumed that E-ZPass was not an ETR and decided to use it and C&P to insult the USA for being backwards. Both were barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Gooberlx2]

It's illegal for Arkansas license plate info to be given out for any reason other than law enforcement so how is some private toll road operator going to bill me?

Apparently Arkansas doesn't have any toll roads. If you want a private one, guess you'll have to either change the statute, use transponders, or use the old operator/change booths. As mentioned, the state could also construct/operate/maintain the toll.

 

[Jeff7]

I'm surprised the US hasn't adopted ETR technology yet. The toll highway here doesn't have booths. It's 100% automated. Has been since it was built in the late 90s.

Reading the article, I saw it say "But the camera snapped his license plate to enforce paying the tolls."
Well if the camera can figure it out, and it's used as the thing to cover when the radio transponder screws up, why not just use that?


Then I looked up "ETR." oooOOoooohhhh, yeah. Looks like someone already thought of that.


My experience with wireless stuff at work is that not having feedback on a wireless connection is usually not a good idea.
Kind of like how an instructor explained UDF packets to the class:
It's walking your little brother to the side of a highway, saying "Ok, cross," and then you immediately turn and walk away.

"Did he ever make it to the other side safely?"

"I guess so. I told him to go ahead, so he had to make it, right?"