Acceptable Voltage For Q6600

clarkey01

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Hey Guys

I recently swapped out my P5B for a P5Q and redoing my overclock.

Is my voltage at full load ok? 1.176??


Screenshot

I thought this maybe low for 3Ghz ? I have seen higher and lower, I simply went into the bios and set it to 1.20 and tested for 2 hours prime and decided not to go further below 1.76?

Am I lucky or can I go lower ?

Cheers Guys
 

VirtualLarry

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Uhm, learn to read. Voltage in your screenshot is 1.176. NOT 1.76.


Edit: sorry, that was probably a bit harsh. Just that, at 1.76, your chip probably wouldn't last very long at all. 1.65v is the max for 65nm.
 

clarkey01

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Uhm, learn to read. Voltage in your screenshot is 1.176. NOT 1.76.

Im sorry VL, its 12.30 am here and I've just been running for 2 hours so I'm not the sharpest tool in the box at the mo.
 

SolMiester

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I have mine at 1.325 for 3Ghz.....same temps as yours at load....what have you set the voltage for in the BIOS?. I doubt the 1.176 in CPUID reads correctly and is probably showing some vdroop!
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: clarkey01
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Intel allows Vcc of 1.5V on G0 Q6600. Intel wouldn't allow a Vcc that would violate the 10yr lifetime internal spec. (3yr public warranty)

So your voltage of less than 1.2V will probably give you a lifetime of 100-500yrs provided there isn't some other intrinsic flaw in your chip.
 

imported_apocalypse

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: clarkey01
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Intel allows Vcc of 1.5V on G0 Q6600. Intel wouldn't allow a Vcc that would violate the 10yr lifetime internal spec. (3yr public warranty)

So your voltage of less than 1.2V will probably give you a lifetime of 100-500yrs provided there isn't some other intrinsic flaw in your chip.

Decreasing vcore by 0.3 will give a 10 to 50 fold increase in chiplife time?? :confused:
 

LOUISSSSS

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where can i get more concrete info on getting my Q6600 to last 500 years assuming all else is constant (working)
 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
where can i get more concrete info on getting my Q6600 to last 500 years assuming all else is constant (working)

From an electrical engineer? Oh wait, you've already gotten that, and are still questioning it.:confused: BTW, guys, not a single person on Earth knows how long an undervolted Q6600 will last. They can only use their degree in electrical engineering to guesstimate. Also, I think Idontcare's actual point was that it will last until the owner of said Q6600's cigarette lighter has 10x as much processing power, so who cares?:D
 

clarkey01

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Originally posted by: SolMiester
I have mine at 1.325 for 3Ghz.....same temps as yours at load....what have you set the voltage for in the BIOS?. I doubt the 1.176 in CPUID reads correctly and is probably showing some vdroop!

Screenshot of Bios

The reason I was asking is that I heard and seen conflicting stories on what voltage was needed for 3Ghz.

If it makes any difference I paid a bit more for this chip as I was told it was guaranteed to run @ 3.3 Ghz no matter what:

OCUK
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: apocalypse
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: clarkey01
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Intel allows Vcc of 1.5V on G0 Q6600. Intel wouldn't allow a Vcc that would violate the 10yr lifetime internal spec. (3yr public warranty)

So your voltage of less than 1.2V will probably give you a lifetime of 100-500yrs provided there isn't some other intrinsic flaw in your chip.

Decreasing vcore by 0.3 will give a 10 to 50 fold increase in chiplife time?? :confused:

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
where can i get more concrete info on getting my Q6600 to last 500 years assuming all else is constant (working)

Electric-field induced breakdown failure mechanisms fall under a broad reliability category dubbed TDDB for Time Dependent Dielectric Breakdown.

TDDB covers both temperature (thermal) induced failure mechanisms as well as voltage (electric-field) induced mechanisms.

These classes of failure mechanisms involve the physical relocation of matter (diffusion of atoms) and as such are rate-limited by the activation energy required to do so.

[Activation energy]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activation_energy[/L] involves activation barriers which generally entail exponential functions relating to the probability of a random event involving reactants possessing the necessary energy to surmount the barrier to form the transition state as well as the geometry (angle of entry into the transition state).

Electric fields assist in polarizing the electron clouds in the atoms involved, slightly reducing the amount of additional energy needed to reach the transition state...in other words you can take the viewpoint that electric-fields are like a catalyst to lowering the activation barrier of thermally induced defect mechanism. (although it's not the true definition of a catalyst as catalysts must not be consumed on the process).

At any rate, what you get is failure mechanisms that vary as the exponential of the voltage (electric-field). Decrease the applied electric field by 10% and you can see the lifetime of the chip double.

This phenomenon is actually used in the opposite sense for determining chip lifetime, i.e. the field of accelerated aging is dependent on the fact a controllable elevation of the operating voltage by slight amounts results in the chip failing in weeks or months. This data allows the manufacturer to then know what max voltage to allow the chips in the field to operate at in order to give themselves some confidence that the return rate will be low. (i.e. how Intel came to know that a 1.5Vcc is the max allowable VID for a G0 Q6600 without waiting 10yrs to confirm 1.5V is ok...they test at elevated voltages (1.8, 2.2, 2.5, etc) and work out the weibull plot specifics for failure rates under accelerated aging conditions and then back-out what voltage is needed to afford a 10yr lifetime at standard operating conditions)

At any rate the 100-500yr lifetime is an order-of-magnitude reference as in O(3) lifetime vs. the O(1) that is targeted and is based on my experience in the field of accelerated lifetime modeling with SUN ultrasparcs I stand by it.

Is there a link on the web that proves this statement? Doubt it, you'd need a couple college courses plus some hands-on experience to gain a deeper understanding and appreciation for all the science topics being touched on here. Not trying to talk down to anyone here, just saying people get paid >130k a year for these job descriptions for a reason and you aren't going to find too many correct laymen-type articles on the topic. Not unless CTho9305 has been busy making some more wiki pages ;)
 

eyk03

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You need to test for a lot longer than 2 hours before you can declare it stable for your purposes anyway.
 

clarkey01

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Originally posted by: eyk03
You need to test for a lot longer than 2 hours before you can declare it stable for your purposes anyway.

I am in the middle of prime 95 , been on for 6 hours so far no issues.
 

roid450

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that 1.176 is interesting. i have mine running at 1.3 in bios at 3 ghz (9X333), but under CPUz its usually between 1.27-1.29 have a evga 750i and from what i read, those are known for running a lil lower then the bios says. i did the pencil mod and it relly keeps the voltages around those which is good enough.

running a Tuniq T 120 realllllllly helped, it dropped my temps 15C or more from stock. i really suggest that heatsink if u dont have one already
 

clarkey01

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I did 8 hours of prime (4 instances) and it's stable, so maybe Im just very lucky with this chip @ this voltage.
 

CptCrunch

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my chip requires 1.325 volts to reach 3GHz and even with an arctic cooler pro 7, it still loads at 62C, you have a very nice chip there
 

hclarkjr

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i have mine at 3ghz at 1.2625 and my temps are 96,96,89,92 fahrenheit and it goes to about 121 or so on load.