Abstinence programs: lessons in futility?

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3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
There have been about 43 million abortions since 1973, about 500,000 Americans have died from AIDS, and about 65 million Americans have incurable genital herpes.

If you think that handing out more free condoms is going to solve the problem, you're delusional.

And if you think shoving our collective heads in the sand through AO will solve the problem, you're even more delusional!

I don't think free condoms would make unwanted pregnancy and STDs go away, but I certainly think there would be much lower occurences if education could convince more people to take the best possible preventative measures, instead of telling those same people that those measures don't really work anyway.

If I thought condoms weren't much good, I wouldn't bother with them - who would want to, if it didn't matter?

That's what AO is really teaching.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Riprorin
There have been about 43 million abortions since 1973, about 500,000 Americans have died from AIDS, and about 65 million Americans have incurable genital herpes.

If you think that handing out more free condoms is going to solve the problem, you're delusional.

And if you think shoving our collective heads in the sand through AO will solve the problem, you're even more delusional!

I don't think free condoms would make unwanted pregnancy and STDs go away, but I certainly think there would be much lower occurences if education could convince more people to take the best possible preventative measures, instead of telling those same people that those measures don't really work anyway.

If I thought condoms weren't much good, I wouldn't bother with them - who would want to, if it didn't matter?

That's what AO is really teaching.

You're the one that's hiding your head in the sand. The current approach clearly isn't work. What you're advocating is simply more of the same.

The fundamental problem is that there is too much sexual promiscuity in our society. Until we address that issue, expect more unwanted pregnancies and disease.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Riprorin
There have been about 43 million abortions since 1973, about 500,000 Americans have died from AIDS, and about 65 million Americans have incurable genital herpes.

If you think that handing out more free condoms is going to solve the problem, you're delusional.

And if you think shoving our collective heads in the sand through AO will solve the problem, you're even more delusional!

I don't think free condoms would make unwanted pregnancy and STDs go away, but I certainly think there would be much lower occurences if education could convince more people to take the best possible preventative measures, instead of telling those same people that those measures don't really work anyway.

If I thought condoms weren't much good, I wouldn't bother with them - who would want to, if it didn't matter?

That's what AO is really teaching.

You're the one that's hiding your head in the sand. The current approach clearly isn't work. What you're advocating is simply more of the same.

The fundamental problem is that there is too much sexual promiscuity in our society. Until we address that issue, expect more unwanted pregnancies and disease.
How do we go about addressing that issue? It will take much more than teaching Abstinence.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Riprorin
There have been about 43 million abortions since 1973, about 500,000 Americans have died from AIDS, and about 65 million Americans have incurable genital herpes.

If you think that handing out more free condoms is going to solve the problem, you're delusional.

And if you think shoving our collective heads in the sand through AO will solve the problem, you're even more delusional!

I don't think free condoms would make unwanted pregnancy and STDs go away, but I certainly think there would be much lower occurences if education could convince more people to take the best possible preventative measures, instead of telling those same people that those measures don't really work anyway.

If I thought condoms weren't much good, I wouldn't bother with them - who would want to, if it didn't matter?

That's what AO is really teaching.

You're the one that's hiding your head in the sand. The current approach clearly isn't work. What you're advocating is simply more of the same.

The fundamental problem is that there is too much sexual promiscuity in our society. Until we address that issue, expect more unwanted pregnancies and disease.


Really, then why is it that Western European Nations which have the most liberal of sex education policies have lower unwanted birth rates, and sexually transitted disease rates than the rest of the world? Why is it that the number of unwanted births in the US have declined during the last few decades wich coincides with the introduction of birth control education in public schools? Is our system perfect? No, but its better than it would be under a stupid policy like AO. Like I've said a million times before, the vast majority of people I know that got pregnant where either the ones with uber religious parents that would not talk to them about sex or the ones that were too embarrased to get contraceptives and use them properly. Abstinence is great to teach in school, but AO is just plain dumb.
 

sao123

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Really, then why is it that Western European Nations which have the most liberal of sex education policies have lower unwanted birth rates, and sexually transitted disease rates than the rest of the world?

this means nothing unless you have fact and figures which says they have the same quantity of sex & sexual partners as we do here in the us. because regardless of sexual education method... if the quantity of sex is less, then the unwanted births and disease will also be less.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Riprorin
There have been about 43 million abortions since 1973, about 500,000 Americans have died from AIDS, and about 65 million Americans have incurable genital herpes.

If you think that handing out more free condoms is going to solve the problem, you're delusional.

And if you think shoving our collective heads in the sand through AO will solve the problem, you're even more delusional!

I don't think free condoms would make unwanted pregnancy and STDs go away, but I certainly think there would be much lower occurences if education could convince more people to take the best possible preventative measures, instead of telling those same people that those measures don't really work anyway.

If I thought condoms weren't much good, I wouldn't bother with them - who would want to, if it didn't matter?

That's what AO is really teaching.

You're the one that's hiding your head in the sand. The current approach clearly isn't work. What you're advocating is simply more of the same.

The fundamental problem is that there is too much sexual promiscuity in our society. Until we address that issue, expect more unwanted pregnancies and disease.
How do we go about addressing that issue? It will take much more than teaching Abstinence.

Kids need to be taught by their parents that sex is a beautiful and wonderful gift - within the context of marriage - and that message needs to be reinforced at school. Concepts like respect, responsibility, and fidelity should be emphasized.

Polls have shown that 90+% of parents believe that sexual abstinence is the best option for teenagers. Their beliefs and wishes for their children should be respected.

Instruction on birth contol should clearly show failure rates and emphasize the potential consequences of promiscuous behavior, including the emotional impact, as most kids aren't psychologically prepared for sexual relationships.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: sao123
Really, then why is it that Western European Nations which have the most liberal of sex education policies have lower unwanted birth rates, and sexually transitted disease rates than the rest of the world?

this means nothing unless you have fact and figures which says they have the same quantity of sex & sexual partners as we do here in the us. because regardless of sexual education method... if the quantity of sex is less, then the unwanted births and disease will also be less.

With regard to unwanted pregnancies, its based on percentages of births. So, it does mean something. As for STD's, if they're teaching liberal birth control but yet having less sex than we are here, then doesn't that counter your arguement that birth control promotes sex?
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Riprorin
There have been about 43 million abortions since 1973, about 500,000 Americans have died from AIDS, and about 65 million Americans have incurable genital herpes.

If you think that handing out more free condoms is going to solve the problem, you're delusional.

And if you think shoving our collective heads in the sand through AO will solve the problem, you're even more delusional!

I don't think free condoms would make unwanted pregnancy and STDs go away, but I certainly think there would be much lower occurences if education could convince more people to take the best possible preventative measures, instead of telling those same people that those measures don't really work anyway.

If I thought condoms weren't much good, I wouldn't bother with them - who would want to, if it didn't matter?

That's what AO is really teaching.

You're the one that's hiding your head in the sand. The current approach clearly isn't work. What you're advocating is simply more of the same.

The fundamental problem is that there is too much sexual promiscuity in our society. Until we address that issue, expect more unwanted pregnancies and disease.
How do we go about addressing that issue? It will take much more than teaching Abstinence.

Kids need to be taught by their parents that sex is a beautiful and wonderful gift - within the context of marriage - and that message needs to be reinforced at school. Concepts like respect, responsibility, and fidelity should be emphasized.

Polls have shown that 90+% of parents believe that sexual abstinence is the best option for teenagers. Their beliefs and wishes for their children should be respected.

Instruction on birth contol should clearly show failure rates and emphasize the potential consequences of promiscuous behavior, including the emotional impact, as most kids aren't psychologically prepared for sexual relationships.


Teaching abstinance and AO are two completely different beasts. Notice the poll was asking about AO. Almost everyone believes encouraging abstinance should be taught as part of sex ed, so your stat doesn't mean anything with in the context of this debate.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Kids need to be taught by their parents that sex is a beautiful and wonderful gift - within the context of marriage - and that message needs to be reinforced at school. Concepts like respect, responsibility, and fidelity should be emphasized.

Polls have shown that 90+% of parents believe that sexual abstinence is the best option for teenagers. Their beliefs and wishes for their children should be respected.

Instruction on birth contol should clearly show failure rates and emphasize the potential consequences of promiscuous behavior, including the emotional impact, as most kids aren't psychologically prepared for sexual relationships.

Education on borth control DOES clearly show failure rates. I got to see lots of pictures of various STDs, too. There was a great deal of emphasis on the fact that sex is a lot more than just 'fun' and it's important to think about that before you make the decision to actually have sex.

Education and even pop culture do a pretty good job of showcasing the emotional trauma that comes from things like abortions, having sex with your date for the first time and immediately getting dumped, etc...
 

dpm

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Originally posted by: Riprorin


You're the one that's hiding your head in the sand. The current approach clearly isn't work. What you're advocating is simply more of the same.

The fundamental problem is that there is too much sexual promiscuity in our society. Until we address that issue, expect more unwanted pregnancies and disease.

Well, the current approach clearly isn't working *perfectly* but that doesn't mean it should be scrapped and replaced by Abstinance Only.

Bear in mind that before the current generation of sex ed the approach really was abstinance only - from the school and the pulpit, and that was far from a roaring success. Why should it be any different today?

 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: dpm
Originally posted by: Riprorin


You're the one that's hiding your head in the sand. The current approach clearly isn't work. What you're advocating is simply more of the same.

The fundamental problem is that there is too much sexual promiscuity in our society. Until we address that issue, expect more unwanted pregnancies and disease.

Well, the current approach clearly isn't working *perfectly* but that doesn't mean it should be scrapped and replaced by Abstinance Only.

That's an understatement.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: aidanjm


You can't say with any certainty that making a virginity pledge delays the loss of virginitiy. The alternative explanation, which strikes me as more plausible, is that people willing to make such a pledge were going to delay loss of virginity anyway.

To amplify the absurdity of the "Virginity Pledge" data. Consider the following conclusion:

"Those who succed in abstaining from sexual activity over their entire lives have significantly lower rates of STDs and out-of-wedlock pregnancies than non-virgins."

Should we conclude from this result that "viginity for life" is a desirable goal?

Additional questions, not answered in the virginity pledge report, and whose answers would be highly relevant in analyzing whether Viriginity Pledgers were, in fact, better off than non-pledgers are:

How happy are virginity pledgers, as compared with non-pledgers?

Are VPs more risk averse than non-VPs, and what effects does that have on their lives.

Are VPs less socially engaged than non-VPs, and what effect does that have.

Are VPs as open to new ideas and experiences as non-VPs?

Etc. Etc. Etc.



 

sao123

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I'm not sure virginity over ones entire life is anyones goal.
Virginity until marriage is attainable and worthy goal.


I'd like to see the answers to those also. But i dont think youll find the negative results your expecting.

How happy are virginity pledgers, as compared with non-pledgers?

Are VPs more risk averse than non-VPs, and what effects does that have on their lives.

Are VPs less socially engaged than non-VPs, and what effect does that have.

Are VPs as open to new ideas and experiences as non-VPs?
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: sao123
I'm not sure virginity over ones entire life is anyones goal.
Virginity until marriage is attainable and worthy goal.

One of the problems with our educational system is that we hold kids to such a low standard. If you tell them that it's impossible to have any self-discipline, they probably won't.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: sao123
I'm not sure virginity over ones entire life is anyones goal.
Virginity until marriage is attainable and worthy goal.

One of the problems with our educational system is that we hold kids to such a low standard. If you tell them that it's impossible to have any self-discipline, they probably won't.

The whole Country holds itself to a low standard, how would the kids be any different???

 

shira

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Originally posted by: sao123
I'm not sure virginity over ones entire life is anyones goal.
Virginity until marriage is attainable and worthy goal.

Of course, you've missed the point entirely. Let me spell it out:

When a study investigates and selectively reports on positive results associated with a behavior, without investigating the full range of potentially negative results associated with that behavior, the study is worthless. I've merely provided an obviously ludicrous behavior - pledging virginity for life - to point out that selectively reporting only the positive outcomes (no STD, no unwanted pregnancies) of that absurd pledge leads to gross distortion, since there are also unreported negative outcomes (no family or children).

It doesn't matter what "anyone's goal" is. What matters is that the FULL set of results of a behavior be investigated and reported, without a preferred outcome biasing the methods used or the results cited. By failing to investigate and report on potential negative affects of the "Virginity Pledge", the study is just a piece of tendentious nonsense.
 

imported_Snagle

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I don't have time to read this entire thread but I'll give my opinion on the topic being a 16 year old highschool student myself.

Nearly every male peer of mine would almost never turn down sex with an attractive girl of the same age. I'd say about 1/3 - 1/2 of the females in my highschool are willing to have sex with someone they are in a 'long-term' (in highschool speak this is a few months) relationship in. A smaller portion of those same females will have sexual relations (anything but intercourse really) with guys they know but are not in a relationship with.

We've all had sex education. The class consists of learning about healthy relationships, pregnancy, various STDs, how they are transmitted, what they do to the body, etc, and learning about the human sexual anatomy. Throughout the course we were reminded that abstinence is the only %100 form of birth control and STD prevention. We were given statistics about how bad pregnancy can fck up a teenagers plans and future. We were shown graphic pictures of people infected with STDs. We looked at the various forms of birth control and there lack of effectiveness (condoms in regular use only work 82% of the time according to our book).

What can we draw from this information? Teenagers are going to have sex no matter how many pictures and statistics are given to them. Highschool students are 15-18, most of them are sexually mature and have tons of hormones rushing through their bodies. Nature is telling us to insert Tab A into Slot B and nature is a powerful force. Abstinence is a personal decision that a teen has to make for themselves. No matter how much teachers and parents encourage abstinence, many many teens are still going to have sex.

My feeling is that schools should teach that there are many advantages to abstinence (like they currently do). They should also teach that condoms are somewhat effective at preventing pregnancy and STDs but that they aren't foolproof. Beyond that I don't think there is much that can be done, it's up to the teens to decide what they do with their bodies.

On a side note, here is a clip from the daily show a couple months back about teens and sex- Clip
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Snagle
I don't have time to read this entire thread but I'll give my opinion on the topic being a 16 year old highschool student myself.

Nearly every male peer of mine would almost never turn down sex with an attractive girl of the same age. I'd say about 1/3 - 1/2 of the females in my highschool are willing to have sex with someone they are in a 'long-term' (in highschool speak this is a few months) relationship in. A smaller portion of those same females will have sexual relations (anything but intercourse really) with guys they know but are not in a relationship with.

Good post, pretty much "lays" it out on the line, still the same as when I went to school but it was the 14 yr old girls that were raring to go while the guys caught up.

According to certain P&N folks they feel it is possible to shut down the natural instincts, amazing they must not be human.
 

Riprorin

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Teenagers are going to have sex no matter how many pictures and statistics are given to them.

Well, then maybe kids need more than pictures and statistics.

How about a different approach?

I haven't evaluated Abstinence cirricula, but here's an example:

WAIT Training...

? Imparts relationship skills to students from seventh to twelfth grades...

? Teaches teens the positive benefits of utilizing self-control...

? Discusses the differences between instinct and intellect...

? Raises achievable expectations of responsible behavior...

? Challenges students to think...

? Provides skills to expose media and cultural influences to enable teens to recognize unhealthy messages...

? Teaches teens to value abstinence, to recognize the strengths inherent in sexual abstinence until marriage...

? Encourages sexually active teens to start over, empowers them to set renewed standards of sexual behavior, to choose to go forward with sexual abstinence until marriage...

WAIT Training is a high energy interactive program, utilizing FRIENDS FIRST curriculum, that develops character traits like respect for self and others, responsibility, honesty, self discipline, self control, integrity and courage.

Exerpts from the WAIT Training Manual

Table of Contents

Units and Topic Highlight

Unit #1
Building the Classroom Climate
Personal Strength Checklist
Accepting Yourself...Accepting Others

Unit #2
Defining Love
How Do You Spell Love
Love vs. Lust
Infatuation vs. Love

Unit #3
What About Sexuality?
Sex in America
I Want You to Love Sex

Unit #4
The Media & Their Influence
Advertising and Sexuality
Who Says It's OK Sex Before Marriage?

Unit #5
To Wait or Not to Wait?
Who Advises You to Wait?
Why Do People Have Sex?

Unit #6
Bonding & Intimacy
How Teens Misuse Sex
The Relationship Roller Coaster

Unit #7
The Consequences of Teen Sex & the Freedoms of Waiting
When Do You Put Icing On a Cake?
Is Virgin a Dirty Word?

Unit #8
Sexual Refusal Skills & Assertiveness Training
Ways to Say "No" To Sex
Alternatives to Sexual Activity

Unit #9
Commitment & Marriage
What Do I Want My Life Partner to be Like?
"Goodies" of Marriage

Unit #10
Worth the Wait
You are Worth the Wait
WAIT Training Test

Unit #11
Conflict Resolution

Link
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Teenagers are going to have sex no matter how many pictures and statistics are given to them.

Well, then maybe kids need more than pictures and statistics.

How about a different approach?

I haven't evaluated Abstinence cirricula, but here's an example:

WAIT Training...

? Imparts relationship skills to students from seventh to twelfth grades...

? Teaches teens the positive benefits of utilizing self-control...

? Discusses the differences between instinct and intellect...

? Raises achievable expectations of responsible behavior...

? Challenges students to think...

? Provides skills to expose media and cultural influences to enable teens to recognize unhealthy messages...

? Teaches teens to value abstinence, to recognize the strengths inherent in sexual abstinence until marriage...

? Encourages sexually active teens to start over, empowers them to set renewed standards of sexual behavior, to choose to go forward with sexual abstinence until marriage...

WAIT Training is a high energy interactive program, utilizing FRIENDS FIRST curriculum, that develops character traits like respect for self and others, responsibility, honesty, self discipline, self control, integrity and courage.

Exerpts from the WAIT Training Manual

Table of Contents

Units and Topic Highlight

Unit #1
Building the Classroom Climate
Personal Strength Checklist
Accepting Yourself...Accepting Others

Unit #2
Defining Love
How Do You Spell Love
Love vs. Lust
Infatuation vs. Love

Unit #3
What About Sexuality?
Sex in America
I Want You to Love Sex

Unit #4
The Media & Their Influence
Advertising and Sexuality
Who Says It's OK Sex Before Marriage?

Unit #5
To Wait or Not to Wait?
Who Advises You to Wait?
Why Do People Have Sex?

Unit #6
Bonding & Intimacy
How Teens Misuse Sex
The Relationship Roller Coaster

Unit #7
The Consequences of Teen Sex & the Freedoms of Waiting
When Do You Put Icing On a Cake?
Is Virgin a Dirty Word?

Unit #8
Sexual Refusal Skills & Assertiveness Training
Ways to Say "No" To Sex
Alternatives to Sexual Activity

Unit #9
Commitment & Marriage
What Do I Want My Life Partner to be Like?
"Goodies" of Marriage

Unit #10
Worth the Wait
You are Worth the Wait
WAIT Training Test

Unit #11
Conflict Resolution

Link

A good curriculum as far as it goes, but it seems to have left out the lessons on contraception, safer sex, STDs and their treatment, and abortion versus adoption, to name a few. And since you guys are so dead set against marriage for homosexuals, where's the section that addresses what gays are supposed to do about "sex before marriage" since that's their only alternative? Or do you believe that gays should be doomed to a life without sex?

 

imported_Snagle

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Teenagers are going to have sex no matter how many pictures and statistics are given to them.

Well, then maybe kids need more than pictures and statistics.

How about a different approach?

I haven't evaluated Abstinence cirricula, but here's an example:

WAIT Training...

? Imparts relationship skills to students from seventh to twelfth grades...

? Teaches teens the positive benefits of utilizing self-control...

? Discusses the differences between instinct and intellect...

? Raises achievable expectations of responsible behavior...

? Challenges students to think...

? Provides skills to expose media and cultural influences to enable teens to recognize unhealthy messages...

? Teaches teens to value abstinence, to recognize the strengths inherent in sexual abstinence until marriage...

? Encourages sexually active teens to start over, empowers them to set renewed standards of sexual behavior, to choose to go forward with sexual abstinence until marriage...

WAIT Training is a high energy interactive program, utilizing FRIENDS FIRST curriculum, that develops character traits like respect for self and others, responsibility, honesty, self discipline, self control, integrity and courage.

Exerpts from the WAIT Training Manual

Table of Contents

Units and Topic Highlight

Unit #1
Building the Classroom Climate
Personal Strength Checklist
Accepting Yourself...Accepting Others

Unit #2
Defining Love
How Do You Spell Love
Love vs. Lust
Infatuation vs. Love

Unit #3
What About Sexuality?
Sex in America
I Want You to Love Sex

Unit #4
The Media & Their Influence
Advertising and Sexuality
Who Says It's OK Sex Before Marriage?

Unit #5
To Wait or Not to Wait?
Who Advises You to Wait?
Why Do People Have Sex?

Unit #6
Bonding & Intimacy
How Teens Misuse Sex
The Relationship Roller Coaster

Unit #7
The Consequences of Teen Sex & the Freedoms of Waiting
When Do You Put Icing On a Cake?
Is Virgin a Dirty Word?

Unit #8
Sexual Refusal Skills & Assertiveness Training
Ways to Say "No" To Sex
Alternatives to Sexual Activity

Unit #9
Commitment & Marriage
What Do I Want My Life Partner to be Like?
"Goodies" of Marriage

Unit #10
Worth the Wait
You are Worth the Wait
WAIT Training Test

Unit #11
Conflict Resolution

Link

From what I can decipher from those names I think we covered pretty much every one of those areas in my class. I agree the lessons are good to present to kids my age but it still isn't going to work with many of them.
 

imported_Snagle

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
How did you arrive at the statistics?

me? I did a rough conservative guesstimate that should be fairly accurate considering how well I know how people in highschool act. I should've noted that I live in a town of about 25,000 and theres only one real highschool.

I'm a junior right now and I'd say that going from sophmore to junior year in highschool is when the biggest change in sexual activity takes place. Underclassmen are in general less sexually active but by no means are they all abstinent, most are expirementing with oral sex and the like.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Snagle
Originally posted by: Riprorin
How did you arrive at the statistics?

me? I did a rough conservative guesstimate that should be fairly accurate considering how well I know how people in highschool act. I should've noted that I live in a town of about 25,000 and theres only one real highschool.

I'm a junior right now and I'd say that going from sophmore to junior year in highschool is when the biggest change in sexual activity takes place. Underclassmen are in general less sexually active but by no means are they all abstinent, most are expirementing with oral sex and the like.

It wasn't like that at my high school 25 years ago. My friends and I hardly even talked about sex.
 

imported_Snagle

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Snagle
Originally posted by: Riprorin
How did you arrive at the statistics?

me? I did a rough conservative guesstimate that should be fairly accurate considering how well I know how people in highschool act. I should've noted that I live in a town of about 25,000 and theres only one real highschool.

I'm a junior right now and I'd say that going from sophmore to junior year in highschool is when the biggest change in sexual activity takes place. Underclassmen are in general less sexually active but by no means are they all abstinent, most are expirementing with oral sex and the like.

It wasn't like that at my high school 25 years ago. My friends and I hardly even talked about sex.

heh times have changed then obviously :)

not that everyone is obsessed with getting laid. Theres a decent amount that don't make the effort and just masturbate instead, and then some who are oblivious to a lot of things and have no clue what's going on.

speaking of which, what's your feeling on teaching masturbation in schools as an alternative to sex?