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Absolutely Unreal: UK Campaign Of Terror Against Photographers

jpeyton

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This is shameful...how far our society has fallen and how far our freedoms have been eroded in the name of "security". Pictures taken on public property are part of the public domain; it shouldn't matter whether you're taking a picture of a statue, a person, or a CCTV camera.

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Official Link - The text of the poster says "Thousands Of People Take Photos Everyday. What If One Of Them Seems Odd?"

The Met's latest poster campaign urges Londoners who spot "unusual" activity to ring the police and let them know. Examples include someone taking pictures of CCTV cameras or acting out of the ordinary. After all, these are dangerous times, and we all must be vigilant.

Contrast this for a moment with an earlier dangerous time: the Blitz. Bombs rained down upon London on a near-daily basis, killing, maiming and laying waste to whole neighbourhoods (one American friend recently described a trip around east London where his hosts pointed to every car park and said, "Of course, that was bombed in the Blitz" ? and came away with the impression that Hitler had dropped car parks on Hackney).

Back then, the government's message to the people wasn't "Take your shoes off" or "place your liquids in this bag". Instead, King George's printer stuck up millions of royal red posters bearing the legend "KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON."

The approaches are markedly different - eternal (even fearful) vigilance, versus a reassured, Zen-like calm. Which one makes us more secure?

There's the rub. Verifying the security of a system is a tricky business. Even during the second world war, when secrecy over codes was paramount, Alan Turing's team at Bletchley Park broke the German cipher and began listening to practically every Nazi communiqué. How did they outsmart the German mathematicians who designed Enigma? Bletchley spotted a mistake and used it to crack the system wide open.

Mistakes happen all the time in mathematical ventures, which is why science relies on peer review. As Bruce Schneier says, "Anyone can design a security system so smart that he can't outsmart it". Until security is subjected to peer review, you can't know whether it's proof against the whole world, or just the people who are dumber than you are.

Even though our lives increasingly defined by security measures, we can't know whether they are working without public peer review.

Unfortunately, today's security cheerleaders have regressed to a more superstitious era, a time from before Bletchley Park's wizards won the second world war. The public isn't supposed to take photographs of CCTV cameras in case this knowledge can be used against them (despite the fact that surely terrorists can memorise their locations).

We can't mention terrorist attacks at the airport while we're being subjected to systematic anti-dignity depredations; your bank won't let you open an account with a passport ? you need to supply a laser-printed utility bill as well ("to prevent money laundering" ? you can just hear Osama's chief forgers gnashing their teeth for lack of a piece of A4).

The superstitions that grip airport checkpoints and banks are themselves a threat to security, because the security that does not admit of examination and discussion is no security at all.

If terrorists are a danger to London, then the only way to be safe is to talk about real threats and real countermeasures, to question the security around us and shut down the systems that don't work.

If you're worried about money-laundering, your bank should have real anti-laundering systems in place. If you're worried about bombings, you need a security system that works even when the locations of the CCTV cameras are public. If you're worried about identity theft, then the government had better have a bloody good plan for "revoking" your fingerprints and retinas should a bad guy figure out how to copy them.

If you want your plane to be safe in the sky, you'd better know what new security you gain by removing your shoes and shedding your liquids while still taking to the sky with your highly explosive laptop battery and a huge bottle of duty free whiskey.

We live in a world of threats that transcend our instincts and intuitions. Staying safe in the face of phishing attacks, viruses, identity theft, RFID skimming, and yes, even terrorists, requires that the public itself be security conscious.

We can't rely on the authorities to defend us against attacks that outstrip their capacity to adapt to them. Remember, the same police force that's plastering London with signs exhorting us to "let experienced officers decide what action to take" is the same police force that gunned down a Brazilian for wearing an overcoat, and shut down Soho when a Thai restaurant burned its chilli sauce, releasing spicy smoke.

Security literacy can only be acquired through continuous practice and evaluation. The more our society punishes those who question security, the less secure we all become.
 
It does belong in P&N, but this is going around everywhere.
jpeyton, can you elaborate more on how this relates to the photog anand community? Keeping the photography specific thing in mind.
 
It targets photographers acting within their rights on public property.

Other professional photographers are already up in arms; Text & Text

I think it's important for photographers to know their rights, and not easily submit when someone tries to infringe on them. More often than not, it will be a person of authority (like a police officer or security guard) who will tell you to stop taking photos, even though they can't lawfully make you stop.
 
On the other hand in other areas the police etc. actually work with photographers - e.g. the bulk of my photography is aviation related & at a no. of RAF airfields the security forces & local police have enlisted the enthusiasts help realising that we are an additional resource who are familiar with the areas, the locals & probably can spot "unusual" activity as well as or better than they can.

Tbh I think that this is the Met trying to be seen to be doing something & divert attention from other areas.
Howver, going by the poster terrorists apparently use Canon Ixus' ...
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
It targets photographers acting within their rights on public property.

Other professional photographers are already up in arms; Text & Text

I think it's important for photographers to know their rights, and not easily submit when someone tries to infringe on them. More often than not, it will be a person of authority (like a police officer or security guard) who will tell you to stop taking photos, even though they can't lawfully make you stop.

I think the US has the advantage here. By law, the UK gives the cops more discretionary power to enforce things, whether it's a legitimate concern or not. We all know the upsides and downsides to this. But SO FAR, this wouldn't hold up here.
Now we all saw the internet sob story of the FBI raiding a photographer's home, computer, camera, etc. That does happen, and was it totally unneeded. However, it could have been avoided if the photographer presented himself as a photographer. The guy snooped around a gas refinery plant in the middle of the night.
When I first started (or attempted) industrial photography, I always checked in with the security guard if one was about. If I could, I called during the day. 9 times out of 10 they were actually helpful, not just accommodating (actually escorting me to places where I couldn't get in from the outside). Others gave me the run around, and thanked me for calling.
street photography is a whole 'nother ballgame. People love there privacy in public places.
Security cameras (in plain view) makes people feel secure. Some guy with a SLR can make someone feel threatened long before 9-11 and the "war on terror".
The 'awareness' this is trying to promote seems disconcerting. IT can be an honest concern, but all we need is another idiot carbombing something in the west, and we photogs are hiding are gear for a few days. People get vigilante on us for the wrong reasons.

I had sort of a dilema myself when a friend described a post 9-11 story. She worked as a waitress across the street from John Wayne KSNA airport. A man with a middle eastern decent came into the restaurant just a few days after 9-11. Airplanes were grounded, and not much was going around the airport. He ordered his food, walked out with his camera and started taking pictures. Okay, could be normal. But nothing scenic or artsy was in view (but that is subjective). I later asked her to point out where he was standing, and what he was pointed at. It ended being where the new checkpoints were setup for inspection of incoming cars. He also went around the airport and took more pictures.
I forgot the whole story. But it did raise my eyebrows. Were his intentions harmful? Who knows. He could have been a security consultant, maybe even one hired by the airport.

As of right now, one could try to position him/her self in the middle, and any view could look extreme. This is a tricky subject.

I think in the US, the biggest threat to street photogs looking for candids is the "think of the children factor". I saw some post on FM where some guy was taking pictures of his own family's kids, and some other wacko parents called the cops talking about a perv with a camera taking pictures of kids splashing in the sprinklers.
And that is a planned event. "hey, we are going to the park, have your friend bring that fancy camera so I can decent pictures of my kids for my photo album".
That's not even the discreet photographer capturing candid, yet 'that human emotional element' thingy that every street photog wants to capture.
I think if we don't get in a flame war, this is a relevant thread.
 
Borderline P&N, but thats England with the most CCTV cameras per capita in the world. Just be smart when you are taking pictures and there should be bo problems. Digital is great since you can show people what you have been taking and be totally transparent if anyone questions.
 
Originally posted by: foghorn67
Originally posted by: jpeyton

I think it's important for photographers to know their rights, and not easily submit when someone tries to infringe on them. More often than not, it will be a person of authority (like a police officer or security guard) who will tell you to stop taking photos, even though they can't lawfully make you stop.

I think the US has the advantage here. By law, the UK gives the cops more discretionary power to enforce things, whether it's a legitimate concern or not. We all know the upsides and downsides to this. But SO FAR, this wouldn't hold up here.
It doesn't really hold up here either & I'm not sure that UK police as a whole do have more power to enforce things.
However, there are public areas here where you aren't allowed to take photographs without permission/a permit (railways/railway stations being 1 of them) & there are other places where whilst it may not be necessary it certainly doesn't do any harm to ask or identify yourself as a photographer.
 
IIRC, someone posted recently that they were taking pictures of Philadelphia's waterfront and were requested by an officer to stop.
 
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