Absolute Proof~Stimulus is creating jobs.....

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Not a word about this from the incompetent majority running the show, and not a word from the incompetent minority watching from the sideline. When Obama asks for more money to stimulate the economy, will the deciders bring this up????????

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Renewable energy money still going abroad, despite criticism from Congress
By Russ Choma

Monday, February 8th, 2010

The Investigative Reporting Workshop reported this story in coordination with ABC's World News Tonight with Diane Sawyer and the Watchdog Institute, a non-profit investigative journalism group based at San Diego State University.

Money from the 2009 stimulus bill to help support the renewable energy industry continues to flow overseas, despite Congressional criticism and calls for change, according to a new analysis of the program by the Investigative Reporting Workshop.

The Workshop was the first to report last October that more than 80 percent of the first $1 billion in grants to wind energy companies went to foreign firms. Since then, the administration has stopped making announcements of new grants to wind, solar and geothermal companies, but has handed out another $1 billion, bringing the total given out to $2.1 billion and the total that went to companies based overseas to more than 79 percent.

In fact, the largest grant made under the program so far, a $178 million payment on Dec. 29, went to Babcock & Brown, a bankrupt Australian company that built a Texas wind farm using turbines made by a Japanese company.

The same day the Workshop’s first reported on this story a consortium of American and Chinese companies announced a deal to build a $1.5 billion wind farm in Texas, using imported Chinese turbines. Company officials said they planned to collect $450 million in stimulus grants for the project. The deal would create dozens of jobs in the U.S. and thousands in China. The news provoked outrage among lawmakers, particularly after the Energy Department seemed to take a neutral stance, declining to say whether it would reject such an application.

The key word is 'jobs'
“In all due respect I remind the secretary (of Energy) there is a four-letter word associated with the stimulus -- J-O-B-S,” Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., told ABC News who interviewed him for a report done in coordination with the Workshop’s ongoing investigation. “Very few jobs here, lots of jobs in China. That is not what I intended or any other legislator who voted for the stimulus intended.”

If companies want to buy Chinese turbines, they can, Schumer said, but they shouldn’t do it with tax dollars that were earmarked for jumpstarting an American industry.

“It is fine that the Chinese make them. But why don’t we use the stimulus money to start building up an industry to build them here, that was the very point of the stimulus,” Schumer told ABC. “No one even imagined, given how strongly the stimulus advertised jobs in America, that this would happen. I am befuddled that it happened and even more befuddled that the Energy Department is not backing off.”

The administration and the wind energy lobby now say that the aim of the program was not to create jobs immediately, despite its being included in the stimulus package, but rather to help support long-term investments in renewable manufacturing in the United States. The program, which cost $1.05 billion in the year ended last Sept. 30, would get another $3.08 billion this fiscal year, and will peak in 2011 with an outlay of $4.46 billion, according to the president's proposed budget released in early February.

Rob Gramlich, vice-president for public policy at the American Wind Energy Association , the industry’s main lobbying and advocacy group which counts all of the foreign companies that have received funding thus far as members, told the Workshop the grants were only intended as a lifeline to keep the industry afloat during tough times.

“We strongly support the policy and are giving the adminstration and Congress a lot of credit for putting it in place and redesigning how it worked … but it wasn’t a long-term jobs policy and it wasn’t really intended to be a long-term jobs policy,” he said.

In fact, in recent months, both U.S. and foreign renewable energy manufacturing companies with production in the United States have either closed or slowed down production.

The Danish company, Vestas, said it was halting production at a wind turbine blade plant in Windsor, Colo. The company said it would probably have to slow development of two other facilities planned for the same area. Gamesa, a Spanish wind turbine company, said it was laying off about half of the remaining workers at a Pennsylvania production facility. Two major solar production efforts in the U.S. shuttered – GE Solar in Newark, Del., and Evergreen Solar in Marlborough, Mass. Evergreen , the recipient of state and federal incentives, announced it would restart production in China.


Joan Fitzgerald, director of the law, policy and society program at Northeastern University and author of several books on green economic opportunity, said the recent trends in the industry are depressing and attempting to stimulate the field with a grant program that sends so much money to foreign-owned companies doesn’t help.

“I still feel that with wind there’s some potential but I don’t know how to get solar production in this country. I think we’ve lost it,” she told the Workshop.

How the grant program works
The grant money is distributed under a program administered by the Energy Department and Treasury, and is supposed to reward companies for investing in renewable energy facilities to encourage them to reinvest in America. But there are few American companies to take advantage of the program and with no restrictions on how or where the money can be spent – and no discretion in who it can be given to – the helping hand from taxpayers seems to be largely bypassing American workers.

A previous report by the Investigative Reporting Workshop published in October found that about $860 million in stimulus money had gone to foreign wind companies alone. That pattern has continued, with now just under $1.6 billion – or 73 percent – awarded to foreign-owned wind companies. The majority of turbines purchased with the money have been built by foreign manufacturers.

Including other forms of energy, like solar and geothermal, 79 percent ($1.71 billion) has gone to foreign companies.

The law authorizing the grants is broad and requires only that companies bring a power plant that qualifies as renewable energy online after Jan. 1, 2009 or starts construction before Dec. 31. There is nothing in the law requiring that the money be spent in the United States. (See the text of the stimulus section .)

Not a jobs program, a lifeline
The stimulus package, as a whole and specifically this program, has been hailed by advocates and administration officials as a job creator, but following the Workshop’s report and letters from Schumer and Sen. Kit Bond (R-Mo.), the message was refined to focus on long-term benefits.

In a message posted on his Facebook page Energy Secretary Steven Chu wrote that the point of the grant program was, “ensuring America leads the world in creating jobs in manufacturing the parts that go into wind farms” and, eventually, even export components to foreign wind farms.

But before manufacturing – and the jobs that come with it – can be established, demand for the product needs to be established, Chu wrote. The grants “provide the precondition to jump start the manufacturing,” he explained.

In an interview with ABC News, Matt Rogers, Chu's senior advisor on stimulus, disputed the Investigative Reporting Workshop's finding that as much as 80 percent of the program's grant money is going to foreign firms.

"I think the first observation is I don't think the data in that specific case is correct. If you take a look at where the jobs are - the jobs are in the United States," Rogers said. "Every dollar from the Recovery Act is going to create jobs for American workers here in the United States."

While some construction jobs are created when a wind farm is built, they last, on average, nine months. Additionally, many of the wind farms that received money were online or close to completion by the time the stimulus bill was passed.As the outcry over the Chinese proposal indicates, more significant than the wind farm owners that have collected the money is where they spent it– the origin of the turbines they install. Most of the economic activity created by investing in wind energy comes from the turbine manufacturing; of the 1,807 turbines erected on 28 wind farms receiving grants, foreign-owned manufacturers built 1,219.

The turbines are composed of three major parts –steel towers, fiber-composite blades and nacelles, which house the most sophisticated components, including the generation, transmission and braking systems. A study by the Renewable Energy Policy Project , a think-tank that advocates renewable energy technology research, estimates that for every 1 megawatt of wind energy that is developed, 4.3 jobs are created: 0.6 in operation and maintenance of the wind farms; .7 for the installation of new turbines; and 3 in manufacturing.

The 1,219 turbines built by foreign-owned manufacturers have a potential capacity of 2,279.5 megawatts. Using the REPP estimate, the installation of these turbines may have created as many as 6,838 manufacturing jobs overseas.

When the wind energy association released its 2009 year-end report on Jan. 26, association president Denise Bode heralded the installation of 10 gigawatts of new wind capacity,but acknowledged there had actually been a net loss in manufacturing jobs. Bode told USA Today she estimates the manufacturing job loss at 1,500 jobs. About as many jobs in construction and operation were created, but construction on all projects that have received money ended long before the grants were made. For some of the projects, construction was complete even before the stimulus bill was passed in February.

On the White House's stimulus blog, an administration official hailed the wind energy association's report as a sign the, "recovery winds are blowing" but made no mention of the job losses.

Who got what?
Any type of renewable energy facility put into service after Jan. 1, 2009 is eligible for the grant program – outlined under Section 1603 of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 – but since the first payments were made on Sept. 1, $1.88 billion has gone to wind companies.

The single largest grant under the program, reported by the Energy Department on Dec. 29, was $178 million for the Texas Gulf Wind farm in Sarita, Texas. The farm is owned by a bankrupt Australian infrastructure and energy investment firm Babcock & Brown . All 118 turbines erected on the farm were built by Mitsubishi – a Japanese firm that does not build wind components in the United States.

Iberdrola Renewables, the American subsidiary of Spanish utility Iberdrola S.A., has collected more money than any other company – $577 million. The company announced it expects to collect another $430 million in 2010. In total, Spanish companies have collected $708.3 million. Utilities owned by Portuguese, German and British companies also have collected funding.

Horizon-EDPR, the American-subsidiary Portuguese utility Energias de Portugal’s renewable division, has received $277.5 million.

Eurus Energy America, the U.S. subsidiary of a Japanese firm, received $91 million in stimulus money for its Bull Creek wind farm in Texas. The farm consists of 180 Mitsubishi turbines. Illustrating the often international nature of deals in the U.S. wind industry, a company executive told the Watchdog Institute that his company used RES Americas, a British firm, as the general contractor to build its facility. Eurus is now employing EnXco, a subsidiary of French renewable energy firm EDF Energies Nouvelles, to operate the farm.

Five U.S. companies have received a combined $290.7 million, with First Wind and NextEra (a subsidiary of Florida Power & Light) receiving the largest shares, $115 million and $99.9 million, respectively. (Details on wind projects and all renewable projects .)

Manufacturing is a complicated issue
Trying to divine whose pocket the stimulus money eventually ends up in is difficult because of the complex nature of wind turbines. Even the companies that have significant turbine production facilities in the United States rely on foreign sources for many of the 8,000 components.

So, where did the parts used in these turbines come from?

In a Facebook posting, Energy Secretary Chu wrote that possibly as much as 53 percent of components used in turbines under the grant program were manufactured in the United States. That estimate was developed by the wind energy association based on the first 11 projects that received funding and were cited in the Workshop’s first story. That figure does not include any of the 18 projects that received funding after the Workshop’s original report was published.

According to Elizabeth Salerno, the association’s director of industry data and analysis, the association surveyed the member companies involved with the projects and then created a formula to arrive at that calculation. Salerno declined to provide that information to the Workshop because the information was provided by members confidentially.

According to Salerno and Gramlich the formula that was used weighted components by their dollar value. The association declined to provide any of the calculations or a sample of their calculations, but did provide a sample document showing how the dollar value of a turbine’s components might be determined.

Gramlich said the average turbine has an overall domestic content “close to the level of Chrysler cars.” In 2008, AWEA analysts estimate that almost 50 percent of components were domestically sourced, up dramatically from only a few years earlier.

Too big to build elsewhere
Besides the complexity of each turbine, the enormous size of many parts has long been cited as a reason why manufacturing will eventually come to the U.S. A turbine’s blades, for example, can reach 200 feet long and must be fabricated and transported in one piece. Likewise, the steel towers can weigh hundreds of tons. Moving both components even short distances can be cumbersome and require closure of roads and specially equipped vehicles or multiple trucks operating in tandem. But, for the same reason, it may be easier or cheaper to ship blades or tower segments thousands of miles by water than it is to transport them several hundred miles by road or rail.

“Everyone thought in the beginning, ‘Oh, turbines are too big to not build here,’” said Joan Fitzgerald, a professor at Northeastern University who specializes in green economy development and has written several books on the subject. “There are cities up and down the west coast and in Texas that have just totally redone their ports for importing wind turbines. This idea that we can’t import them because they’re too big is not the case.”

By examining U.S.Customs and Border Protection records the Workshop discovered turbine components are being imported from China, Germany, Spain and Brazil, including even the biggest and heaviest parts like blades and steel towers.

Although not a comprehensive review of all imports, the Workshop investigation found numerous instances large foreign-made components being used in the wind farms awarded grants

Photo by Nathan Sandel Used with permission
Steel towers make their way up the Columbia River, headed for the port of Vancouver last March. They were made in Vietnam for a Danish wind company and destined for a Portugese wind farm in Indiana that got a stimulus grant. More of Sandel's photos.
For example, on June 1, 2009, Vestas Americas, a subsidiary of the Danish turbine giant, unloaded 30 generators and hubs at the port of Portage, Ind. The pieces were destined for Meadow Lake Wind Farm, an Indiana facility built by Portuguese-owned Horizon-EDPR. On June 19, Vestas received shipment of 94 blades at the same port, to be sent to the same wind farm. A few months earlier, on March 11, Vestas unloaded 72 sections of steel towers – some weighing in excess of 55 tons – from the container ship Marinus Green, at the port of Vancouver, Wash. The towers arrived in Washington state after travelling 7,400 miles from Baria Vungtau Province, Vietnam, where they were constructed by CS Wind – Vietnam's leading steel tower manufacturer. According to the bill of lading, the tower segments were sent to Meadow Lake.

Meadow Lake was awarded $113 million in stimulus money.

According to the Customs data, Vestas has accepted at least 20 other shipments from CS Wind in the last two years, some larger than Meadow Lake towers.

In an interview with the Watchdog Institute, Gary Hardke, president of Cannon Power Group, a San Diego-based wind farm developer said his company spent more than half the $19.4 million they received in federal grant money overseas.

Cannon partnered with German industrial giant, Siemens, to install 114 turbines at the company’s Windy Flats wind farm in Klickitat, Wash. Cannon has announced they expect to receive more than $170 million as other phases of the wind farm are completed.

Hardke said he couldn’t say positively where all of the components were sourced from – some of the steel towers were domestically made and some were from China and Siemens told Cannon the blades were likely made in the U.S., “but we’re not positive.” The nacelles were imported from Denmark.

Hardke told the Watchdog Institute that the cost of transporting the turbines can top $300,000 so domestic manufacturing would be preferable, but to purchase just a nacelle that is entirely sourced domestically would require reconfiguring the supply chain for some 3,000 components.

Struggling to keep up in the race
President Barack Obama has talked of a worldwide foot race to be the clean energy leader. As recently as Jan. 8, he noted the United States is struggling to keep up.

“Harnessing new forms of energy will be one of the defining challenges of the 21st century. And unfortunately, right now, the United States, the nation that pioneered the use of clean energy, is being outpaced by nations around the world,” Obama said in a speech. “I don’t want the industries that yield the jobs of tomorrow to be built overseas.”


Obama was announcing $2.3 billion in tax credits for manufacturers, including foreign companies that are hoping to set up manufacturing in the United States. Unlike the grant program investigated by the Workshop, the administration gave out the tax credits based on how many domestic jobs would be created.

But that program, which Obama said would create about 17,000 jobs, is short on cash, even as the administration continues to freely hand out cash grants to foreign wind developers, with no obligation to reinvest the money or purchase U.S.-made turbines. The administration received over $7 billion in requests for tax credits from manufacturers and Obama has asked Congress to provide another $5 billion to meet that.

According to Fitzgerald and several other industry observers contacted by the Workshop, without more innovation by U.S. companies, the manufacturing jobs will only be as good as the foreign company that sets them up. A recent report by the Breakthrough Institute found the U.S. will be outspent over the next five years on green tech research and development by its Asian competitors by a factor of four-to-one (including R&D funds included in the cap-and-trade bill still lingering in the Senate.)

“I’d like to be positive but that’s a lot,” Joan Fitzgerald said. “Look at the difficulty Obama is having getting some things through, even with a majority. And now you’ve got people clamoring about deficit and deficit reduction. I don’t know how much we’ll really be able to add.”

The administration’s focus should be on the manufacturing – and making sure it stays here – said United Steelworker’s president Leo W. Gerard. The trend – in green energy as it is in all manufacturing – is towards sending manufacturing overseas, he said.

“If we keep following the trend lines of what’s existing, we’re going to end up with an inability to generate real wealth,” Gerard told the Workshop. “My concern is that it’s more than wind turbines, and my concern is how we stake out our ground and have a manufacturing strategy for the country that will lead us back to the ability to create real wealth.”
 

OrByte

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Appears as though the Energy Department needs to go back and figure out how they should be awarding that funding.
 

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Appears as though the Energy Department needs to go back and figure out how they should be awarding that funding.

Matt Rogers, the senior adviser to the Secretary of Energy for the Recovery Act, denied there was a problem.

"The recovery act is creating jobs in the U.S. for American workers," said Rogers, "That is what the recovery act is about, that is what it is doing. Every dollar from the recovery act is going to create jobs for the American workers here in the U.S."

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From the link, it looks like there is one Dem expressing outrage over it.(Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., called the flow of money to foreign companies an outrage) Good for him
 

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Matt Rogers, the senior adviser to the Secretary of Energy for the Recovery Act, denied there was a problem.

"The recovery act is creating jobs in the U.S. for American workers," said Rogers, "That is what the recovery act is about, that is what it is doing. Every dollar from the recovery act is going to create jobs for the American workers here in the U.S."

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From the link, it looks like there is one Dem expressing outrage over it.(Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., called the flow of money to foreign companies an outrage) Good for him

agreed. I find it hard to believe that this money spent in such a way was the BEST type of project to be funded under this program. I am sure they could have funded project(s) that would have resulted in a better investment in American jobs/industries.

Sounds really crappy.
 

Jiggz

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At $787B, I'm quite sure the Recovery Act did its purpose and it did it so well we have to have another one! The Job Stimulus Bill, hhhhoooyaaaahhh!
 

Zorkorist

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This is what happens when Government tries to run the show.

They should just step out of our way.

I realize that thought is wasted on many of you, but, look where we are today...

-John
 

sandorski

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This is what happens when Government tries to run the show.

They should just step out of our way.

I realize that thought is wasted on many of you, but, look where we are today...

-John

Are they in your way? Just go out and do it.
 

Acanthus

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My main disappointment have been for the direct GM and Chrysler bailouts.

GM has built 4 plants and Chrysler just announced another plant that will all be outside of the nation.

It seems they are shipping jobs over the border despite the US saving their asses.
 

Zorkorist

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Well, when you make laws for Minimum Wages, and protect species like the river toad, and encourage wind-mill production, you just may lose factories.

-John
 

Craig234

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This is what happens when Government tries to run the show.

They should just step out of our way.

I realize that thought is wasted on many of you, but, look where we are today...

-John

We're at the place the private sector got us when the government got out of their way. Not all that different from the place the private sector took us when the government got our of the way in the 1920's.
 

Zorkorist

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Yeah, I've heard that argument before. Capatilism has failed us! Only Government is good.

Baloney.

-John
 

Craig234

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Well, when you make laws for Minimum Wages, and protect species like the river toad, and encourage wind-mill production, you just may lose factories.

-John

Those aren't the problems. They are good programs. They're your ideological/partisan scapegoats while you support the real problems.
 

Zorkorist

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No Craig. They are bad programs. I don't support them.

They have led to the destruction of the American infrastructure.

We only survive, like the proverbial "jew," by making money off of others. NOT by our selves.

-John
 

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the senior adviser to the Secretary of Energy for the Recovery Act
*head asplodes*

This implies that there exists more than one position in our government which exists solely to advise the Secretary of Energy on the Recovery Act. Surely this couldn't be part of the problem. Big, redundant government: none of us is as dumb as all of us.
 

cubeless

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*head asplodes*

This implies that there exists more than one position in our government which exists solely to advise the Secretary of Energy on the Recovery Act. Surely this couldn't be part of the problem. Big, redundant government: none of us is as dumb as all of us.

where do you think all the new jobs are coming from?
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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The "stimulus" is creating jobs everywhere...except where it was promised to "save or create" jobs in the private sector.

The Stimulus Bill: Saving or creating jobs since 2009!*

*Saved or created jobs only apply to the public sector and foreign employment.
 

HannibalX

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Whenever I hear about the porkulus creating jobs I think about that college in Maryland which didn't get any stimulus money but reported to the Fed that the stimulus created 15,000 jobs at the school... the school has 4,000 students and 300 faculty...