about the Obama like Hitler comment

[alphatarget1]

My opinion: Obama is just a politician with higher than average charisma and a better speaker.

Background:
I was in CA during the recall election of Gray Davis, when Arnold Schwarzenegger won. He pledged to fight against special interests, and many (myself included) had high hopes for him because he was an outsider.

He's not a bad governor by any means, I think he's doing a fine job. He did become a politician, taking money from lobbyists and such. He was cocky against the democratic legislature, and had successes in the beginning (CA democrats are pretty nuts, IMO), but ultimately faltered towards the end of his first term. He learns quick though, and learned to compromise and get things done, got elected to a 2nd term.

Why the Hitler comment:
Obama runs his campaign on hope and change. The majority in this country believes that we're heading at the wrong direction, and therefore want change. Obama is a great public speaker that delivers hope to those people. Obama gives off an impression that he's higher and above your typical politician (as an "outsider"), and people liked to hear that he will go in and change Washington politics. See above for Arnold's disappointment, at least he's only running a state and not given the most powerful position in the world as the President of the United States.

The fact is that these hopes need to be backed by actions, and records (both of which Obama lack), substance, if you will. For him to compare himself to great men like Martin Luther King Jr, who went to jail for the civil rights movement and did so much for civil rights, is simply absurd and demeaning. Obama won't change Washington overnight, or God forbid, in his first term as President. Changes need to come gradually, especially against established institutions that are as corrupted as Washington. Empty promises anyone?

The mere fact that he is able to rally a bunch of people from the above said empty promises and hopes delivered by someone who has little to no record simply scares me. Obama is running on nothing but charisma and his public speaking skills.His ability to influence so many through charisma resembles Hitler, in a really subtle way. Obama supporters are willing to overlook his flaws and praise him regardless, whether he would take military action on allies like Pakistan (I thought peaceful democrats are against preemptive strike?), or that he opposed the war on Iraq and stop talking about it when it was going well (He wouldn't have done anything different than President Bush did). That's dangerous.

I won't vote for Hillary because she divides the country so much, which is unfair in itself because Hillary has been bombarded by the media for every flaw she has, as opposed to Obama who gets a get out of jail free card.

I hope that gets some of you who are intelligent to think about who this guy really is. He's currently exploiting the fear and anxieties of Americans toward the future under the name of hope. Obama, after stripping away his persona and charisma, is nothing but a smart politician who happens to be able to speak well publicly.

 

[sandorski]

He has:

1) 2 eyes, just like HITLER!
2) 2 ears, just like HITLER!
3) 2 arms, just like HITLER!
4) 2 legs, just like HITLER!


I think you're onto something here.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: sandorski
He has:

1) 2 eyes, just like HITLER!
2) 2 ears, just like HITLER!
3) 2 arms, just like HITLER!
4) 2 legs, just like HITLER!


I think you're onto something here.

Dark hair, you missed the dark hair

 

[IronWing]

Yes, but he has Lincoln's ears so he's saved.

 

[RichardE]

Alpha, if you don't understand our meaning here. The problem is there are many influential speakers in the world, and your "zomg the hope train runnn" fanboyism that you are spreading by relating him to Hitler is laughable.

Did you know Bill Clinton ran on hope more or less in 92? From what I can see we still have jews in the US

MLK was a better speaker than Obama and lead a movement and did it without genocide, would you compare him to Hitler as well?

 

[yowolabi]

Do you compare everyone who's a charismatic public speaker to Hitler? If not, please don't insult our collective intelligence. I don't believe you've ever heard a Hitler speech, if you think this angry man has any similarities. As i'm sure you don't understand German either, let me assure you that the content of his speeches are as different from Obama as his delivery and his political ideology was. The theory that Obama "reminded" you of Hitler is a joke, as no sane person could really believe that. In reality, it's just a talking point that's filtered to you from the Tom Sullivan show.

You know who else was a charismatic public speaker? Martin Luther King Jr. King actually had similar speech themes of coming together for a positive future. Do you know what Obama's background was before he became an Illinois Senator? It was as a civil rights attorney.. He also worked as a community organizer before that. King also superficially looked like Obama and lived much more recently. Yet you find the comparison to King ridiculous, and the comparison to Hitler appropriate. To be clear, Obama is also nothing like King.

One thing I like about Anandtech is that there the posters on both sides of an issue are usually pretty intelligent and make reasonable arguments. I'm sure there are other forums where people lack reading and comprehension skills, and you can say something like "obama is like hitler" and someone will think you're clever.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Alpha, if you don't understand our meaning here. The problem is there are many influential speakers in the world, and your "zomg the hope train runnn" fanboyism that you are spreading by relating him to Hitler is laughable.

Did you know Bill Clinton ran on hope more or less in 92? From what I can see we still have jews in the US

MLK was a better speaker than Obama and lead a movement and did it without genocide, would you compare him to Hitler as well?

MLK and Bill Clinton has accomplished much more in their lives than Obama has.

Fanboyism? That word should be used to describe many Obama supporters instead. If you don't address my reservations about Obama then there really is no point in discussing this further.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: RichardE
Alpha, if you don't understand our meaning here. The problem is there are many influential speakers in the world, and your "zomg the hope train runnn" fanboyism that you are spreading by relating him to Hitler is laughable.

Did you know Bill Clinton ran on hope more or less in 92? From what I can see we still have jews in the US

MLK was a better speaker than Obama and lead a movement and did it without genocide, would you compare him to Hitler as well?

MLK and Bill Clinton has accomplished much more in their lives than Obama has.

Fanboyism? That word should be used to describe many Obama supporters instead. If you don't address my reservations about Obama then there really is no point in discussing this further.

Yes, they both have. They also had the chance.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: RichardE
Alpha, if you don't understand our meaning here. The problem is there are many influential speakers in the world, and your "zomg the hope train runnn" fanboyism that you are spreading by relating him to Hitler is laughable.

Did you know Bill Clinton ran on hope more or less in 92? From what I can see we still have jews in the US

MLK was a better speaker than Obama and lead a movement and did it without genocide, would you compare him to Hitler as well?

MLK and Bill Clinton has accomplished much more in their lives than Obama has.

Fanboyism? That word should be used to describe many Obama supporters instead. If you don't address my reservations about Obama then there really is no point in discussing this further.

If you wanted to have a serious discussion, you wouldn't have began it by comparing Obama to Hitler. I promise you that if you removed the ridiculous hyperbole, and started a thread called "my reservations about Obama" , and left out the Hitler references, plenty of people would be willing to address your reservations.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
My opinion: Obama is just a politician with higher than average charisma and a better speaker.

Background:
I was in CA during the recall election of Gray Davis, when Arnold Schwarzenegger won. He pledged to fight against special interests, and many (myself included) had high hopes for him because he was an outsider.

He's not a bad governor by any means, I think he's doing a fine job. He did become a politician, taking money from lobbyists and such. He was cocky against the democratic legislature, and had successes in the beginning (CA democrats are pretty nuts, IMO), but ultimately faltered towards the end of his first term. He learns quick though, and learned to compromise and get things done, got elected to a 2nd term.

Why the Hitler comment:
Obama runs his campaign on hope and change. The majority in this country believes that we're heading at the wrong direction, and therefore want change. Obama is a great public speaker that delivers hope to those people. Obama gives off an impression that he's higher and above your typical politician (as an "outsider"), and people liked to hear that he will go in and change Washington politics. See above for Arnold's disappointment, at least he's only running a state and not given the most powerful position in the world as the President of the United States.

The fact is that these hopes need to be backed by actions, and records (both of which Obama lack), substance, if you will. For him to compare himself to great men like Martin Luther King Jr, who went to jail for the civil rights movement and did so much for civil rights, is simply absurd and demeaning. Obama won't change Washington overnight, or God forbid, in his first term as President. Changes need to come gradually, especially against established institutions that are as corrupted as Washington. Empty promises anyone?

The mere fact that he is able to rally a bunch of people from the above said empty promises and hopes delivered by someone who has little to no record simply scares me. Obama is running on nothing but charisma and his public speaking skills.His ability to influence so many through charisma resembles Hitler, in a really subtle way. Obama supporters are willing to overlook his flaws and praise him regardless, whether he would take military action on allies like Pakistan (I thought peaceful democrats are against preemptive strike?), or that he opposed the war on Iraq and stop talking about it when it was going well (He wouldn't have done anything different than President Bush did). That's dangerous.

I won't vote for Hillary because she divides the country so much, which is unfair in itself because Hillary has been bombarded by the media for every flaw she has, as opposed to Obama who gets a get out of jail free card.

I hope that gets some of you who are intelligent to think about who this guy really is. He's currently exploiting the fear and anxieties of Americans toward the future under the name of hope. Obama, after stripping away his persona and charisma, is nothing but a smart politician who happens to be able to speak well publicly.

What about comparing Obama to the "Great Communicator"? Do I detect an agenda here?

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
Do you compare everyone who's a charismatic public speaker to Hitler? If not, please don't insult our collective intelligence. I don't believe you've ever heard a Hitler speech, if you think this angry man has any similarities. As i'm sure you don't understand German either, let me assure you that the content of his speeches are as different from Obama as his delivery and his political ideology was. The theory that Obama "reminded" you of Hitler is a joke, as no sane person could really believe that. In reality, it's just a talking point that's filtered to you from the Tom Sullivan show.

You know who else was a charismatic public speaker? Martin Luther King Jr. King actually had similar speech themes of coming together for a positive future. Do you know what Obama's background was before he became an Illinois Senator? It was as a civil rights attorney. King also superficially looked like Obama and lived much more recently. Yet you find the comparison to King ridiculous, and the comparison to Hitler appropriate. To be clear, Obama is also nothing like King.

One thing I like about Anandtech is that there the posters on both sides of an issue are usually pretty intelligent and make reasonable arguments. I'm sure there are other forums where people lack reading and comprehension skills, and you can say something like "obama is like hitler" and someone will think you're clever.

I speak German, as a matter of fact. I have lived in Germany as well. I don't need you to tell me what Hitler is. I'm merely referring to the fact that Obama's ability to rally people reminded me of Hitler. Given that he has no record, it's hard to predict what he might do as President.

MLK was not a politician, btw. Y'all just proved my point that you're willing to overlook his flaws and evaluate Obama as a leader, not as some good old lying politician, because he's a great public speaker and is charismatic.

I could care less if you think I'm clever or not. I won't vote for Obama. I just wish people could think for themselves and use their brains to see through his (or any other politicians') bullshit. Apparently that's too much to ask of most people.

 

[nonameo]

So all of bush's experience helped him, I take it?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: RichardE
Alpha, if you don't understand our meaning here. The problem is there are many influential speakers in the world, and your "zomg the hope train runnn" fanboyism that you are spreading by relating him to Hitler is laughable.

Did you know Bill Clinton ran on hope more or less in 92? From what I can see we still have jews in the US

MLK was a better speaker than Obama and lead a movement and did it without genocide, would you compare him to Hitler as well?

MLK and Bill Clinton has accomplished much more in their lives than Obama has.

Fanboyism? That word should be used to describe many Obama supporters instead. If you don't address my reservations about Obama then there really is no point in discussing this further.

You want me to adresss it? Alright

Why the Hitler comment:
Obama runs his campaign on hope and change. The majority in this country believes that we're heading at the wrong direction, and therefore want change. Obama is a great public speaker that delivers hope to those people. Obama gives off an impression that he's higher and above your typical politician (as an "outsider"), and people liked to hear that he will go in and change Washington politics. See above for Arnold's disappointment, at least he's only running a state and not given the most powerful position in the world as the President of the United States.

Obama was preaching his change and hope message since he started running for public office. He was doing it on every election since than, it is not just a spur of the moment "feed the masses" campaign.

The fact is that these hopes need to be backed by actions, and records (both of which Obama lack), substance, if you will. For him to compare himself to great men like Martin Luther King Jr, who went to jail for the civil rights movement and did so much for civil rights, is simply absurd and demeaning. Obama won't change Washington overnight, or God forbid, in his first term as President. Changes need to come gradually, especially against established institutions that are as corrupted as Washington. Empty promises anyone?

Obama has records as an Illinois Senator where he brought about the change he was promising. Obama has not compared himself to MLK, other people have, just as other people have compared him to Hitler, to Clinton in 92, 86 ect.

Changes do come gradually, and gradually changes in Washington are already taking place, but they are going in the wrong direction towards a more authoritarian and police state. Obama might not turn the US into Utopia, but he will change the direction the US is taking and put it more on a path that truly is representative of a country that prides itself as the leader of the free democratic world.

The mere fact that he is able to rally a bunch of people from the above said empty promises and hopes delivered by someone who has little to no record simply scares me. Obama is running on nothing but charisma and his public speaking skills.His ability to influence so many through charisma resembles Hitler, in a really subtle way. Obama supporters are willing to overlook his flaws and praise him regardless, whether he would take military action on allies like Pakistan (I thought peaceful democrats are against preemptive strike?), or that he opposed the war on Iraq and stop talking about it when it was going well (He wouldn't have done anything different than President Bush did). That's dangerous.

Obama has a record of public service and initiative that he ran on and implemented while coming to power in public office. IF you want to take your information from commercials ran on late night TV and use that as your informative knowledge of which you use to compare him to Hitler, than that is your prerogative, the fact is this statement does nothing but show your absolute ignorance on Obama's career.

The Pakistain initiative has been explained, as well US operations into Pakistain are already occurring. The war in Iraq is improving impressively, the point is to bring the troops home and to do that we need to stabilize the region somewhat. There talk about the Iraq war was one of the things that lead to the surge that resulted in the end with less violence. They are already hammering on bringing the troops home, what else did you want exactly? Or was this another talking point you ate up off the commercials?

What exactly is dangerous as well, the fact he gives good speeches? That he has a plan to deal with terrorists who hide in the mountains along the Afghan/Pakistain borders, or the fact that now that there lobbying on the Iraq war is starting to pay off they are turning to more domestic issues?

I won't vote for Hillary because she divides the country so much, which is unfair in itself because Hillary has been bombarded by the media for every flaw she has, as opposed to Obama who gets a get out of jail free card.

I hope that gets some of you who are intelligent to think about who this guy really is. He's currently exploiting the fear and anxieties of Americans toward the future under the name of hope. Obama, after stripping away his persona and charisma, is nothing but a smart politician who happens to be able to speak well publicly.

So you won't vote for Hilary because she divides everyone (your pointing out a flaw) but your upset because everyone points out her flaws? There is an issue in that.

Those of us intelligent enough to think about this matter have already discussed it with other people who brought a better argument to the table than you did. Your entire argument is based off right ring talk shows, attack ads and chain emails and its embarrassing to think someone might actually be swayed by those.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: yowolabi
Do you compare everyone who's a charismatic public speaker to Hitler? If not, please don't insult our collective intelligence. I don't believe you've ever heard a Hitler speech, if you think this angry man has any similarities. As i'm sure you don't understand German either, let me assure you that the content of his speeches are as different from Obama as his delivery and his political ideology was. The theory that Obama "reminded" you of Hitler is a joke, as no sane person could really believe that. In reality, it's just a talking point that's filtered to you from the Tom Sullivan show.

You know who else was a charismatic public speaker? Martin Luther King Jr. King actually had similar speech themes of coming together for a positive future. Do you know what Obama's background was before he became an Illinois Senator? It was as a civil rights attorney. King also superficially looked like Obama and lived much more recently. Yet you find the comparison to King ridiculous, and the comparison to Hitler appropriate. To be clear, Obama is also nothing like King.

One thing I like about Anandtech is that there the posters on both sides of an issue are usually pretty intelligent and make reasonable arguments. I'm sure there are other forums where people lack reading and comprehension skills, and you can say something like "obama is like hitler" and someone will think you're clever.

I speak German, as a matter of fact. I have lived in Germany as well. I don't need you to tell me what Hitler is. I'm merely referring to the fact that Obama's ability to rally people reminded me of Hitler. Given that he has no record, it's hard to predict what he might do as President.

MLK was not a politician, btw. Y'all just proved my point that you're willing to overlook his flaws and evaluate Obama as a leader, not as some good old lying politician, because he's a great public speaker and is charismatic.

I could care less if you think I'm clever or not. I won't vote for Obama. I just wish people could think for themselves and use their brains to see through his (or any other politicians') bullshit. Apparently that's too much to ask of most people.

So when you think of the ability to rally people, the first person you think of is Hitler? Who else have you compared to Hitler? And if it's the ability to rally people that's similar, why does it matter if he's a politician or not? The abilitiy to rally people isn't unique to politicians.

The rest of your post is just more evidence of my original point. You never wanted a discussion of the issues, which is why no one is this thread has bothered to even argue with you about them. You wanted to tell people you're smarter than they are because you decided to trust a different politician than they decided to trust. Oh, and trusting any politican is bad... except for the one you picked. "Look, your candidate is like Hitler. You've obviously made the wrong choice."

By the way, Hillary's ability to sway women to her point of view reminds me of the devil. McCain's ability to gain the nomination even though so many of his voters hate him reminds me of Saddam Hussein. Good start to a logical conversation, huh?

 

[Moonbeam]

Bush is a dick head and an idiot who can't talk well at all. He is not like Hitler. Bush will make a good President.

 

[rockyct]

If anything Obama could be best compared to Reagan. After Obama's victory speech in South Carolina, they went to the commentators. Bill Bennett had an "oh crap, this guy is going to crush us in Nov" look and said (I found the transcript http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA...S/0801/26/cnr.11.html):

"BILL BENNETT, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: I have to comment on the talk. Wolf said accurately that the Republicans took a lost of hits in Obama's talk, but interestingly, to me, he sounded like Ronald Reagan. The lift. There was lift in the talk, reminiscent of Reagan.

The country western song playing after "Signed, Sealed, Delivered," -- I'm you're music guy, Anderson. It was "Sunday Morning in America." It's quite extraordinary. That lift is amazing.

Can I say one statistic? The big one. He beat her by more than two to one. Can anybody say that was going to happen?

COOPER: Bill Bennett, I imagine now a Clinton commercial with your comments comparing Barack Obama to Ronald Reagan, possibly.

BRAZILE: Let me clear that up.

BENNETT: I tried to be kind all evening. I'm sorry I hurt him again."

The Republicans have been looking for their second coming of Reagan, but it looks like he's a Democrat.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: yowolabi
Do you compare everyone who's a charismatic public speaker to Hitler? If not, please don't insult our collective intelligence. I don't believe you've ever heard a Hitler speech, if you think this angry man has any similarities. As i'm sure you don't understand German either, let me assure you that the content of his speeches are as different from Obama as his delivery and his political ideology was. The theory that Obama "reminded" you of Hitler is a joke, as no sane person could really believe that. In reality, it's just a talking point that's filtered to you from the Tom Sullivan show.

You know who else was a charismatic public speaker? Martin Luther King Jr. King actually had similar speech themes of coming together for a positive future. Do you know what Obama's background was before he became an Illinois Senator? It was as a civil rights attorney. King also superficially looked like Obama and lived much more recently. Yet you find the comparison to King ridiculous, and the comparison to Hitler appropriate. To be clear, Obama is also nothing like King.

One thing I like about Anandtech is that there the posters on both sides of an issue are usually pretty intelligent and make reasonable arguments. I'm sure there are other forums where people lack reading and comprehension skills, and you can say something like "obama is like hitler" and someone will think you're clever.

I speak German, as a matter of fact. who cares??I have lived in Germany as well. again who cares?I don't need you to tell me what Hitler is. I'm merely referring to the fact that Obama's ability to rally people reminded me of Hitler. Given that he has no record, it's hard to predict what he might do as President.

MLK was not a politician, btw. Y'all just proved my point that you're willing to overlook his flaws and evaluate Obama as a leader, not as some good old lying politician, because he's a great public speaker and is charismatic.-- actually you have proved everybodys point--you only usd the Hitler word because you were after a reaction which you got! You can`t be stoopid enough to believe that just because you speak german and have lived in Germany gives you any special right to use the name of Hitler!!
Thats like saying because I eat Italian food everyday therfore I must be an expert on Italy!!!
I could care less if you think I'm clever or not. I won't vote for Obama. I just wish people could think for themselves and use their brains to see through his (or any other politicians') bullshit. Apparently that's too much to ask of most people.

 

[Siddhartha]

The people who came up with the "Obama is like Hitler" crap are a bunch of asshole political hacks who are doing and saying everything they can think of to hurt their opponent.

Obama is no more like Hitler than Mr Roosevelt, Mr Kennedy, or Mr Clinton.

 

[Pabster]

I'm sorry, Hitler is an inappropriate and inaccurate analogy or reference here.

You can try to make the comparison that both sought power with a "change" message, but their motives and intentions could not be more different.

Quite frankly I'm disgusted with all the Hitler comparisons that go on around here. At some point, nearly every political figure has been compared to Hitler, usually by the left-wing nuts.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Pabster


Quite frankly I'm disgusted with all the Hitler comparisons that go on around here. At some point, nearly every political figure has been compared to Hitler, usually by the left-wing nuts.

And the right wing nuts around here, counter by comparing the opposing political figures to Chamberlain.

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The people who came up with the "Obama is like Hitler" crap are a bunch of asshole political hacks who are doing and saying everything they can think of to hurt their opponent.

Obama is no more like Hitler than Mr Roosevelt, Mr Kennedy, or Mr Clinton.

QFT

 

[piasabird]

So what did Bill Clinton actually Accomplish?

Personally we should have a forum rule banning the use of the name Hitler.

 

[Atreus21]

I get so tired of every side comparing the opposition to Hitler. Really, find some other terrible figure for once.

Until I see people getting rounded up and executed en masse, I'm not comparing any politician, good or bad, to Hitler. The notion that people are comparing today's politicians to Hitler is a testament to how little we really know about history, and hence how little we've learned our lessons from it.

The fact is that if and when another Hitler emerges, we won't have to ask if it's the second coming.

 

[Taejin]

oh NOEs OBAMA IS CARISMTIK HE MUST BE LYK HITLER $()@*#1913191290!)!)!111111


ps. stfu

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Pabster


Quite frankly I'm disgusted with all the Hitler comparisons that go on around here. At some point, nearly every political figure has been compared to Hitler, usually by the left-wing nuts.

And the right wing nuts around here, counter by comparing the opposing political figures to Chamberlain.

Yes, and Obama is a Hitler-Chanberlainite that wants to take over the world by smoking hookahs with Al Quaeda, and getting them all mellow and stoned so they want to unite and support the democratic party. His ideas are just so crazy I'm willing to give them a chance to work. When folk who would vote for Bush tell me whose dangerous, I know we have a winner just from that.