Abortion intended to wipe out black. Hilarious

[her209]

Killing an infant for the sake of convenience is barbaric. It has no place among people who call themselves enlightened and civilized.

What about killing because the life of the mother is in danger? Or killing because the conception was due to a rape or incest? That's the problem with absolutes.

 

[Atreus21]

Hey, if I have a cancerous tumor in my body that I don't want, I'm getting it removed. Same thing if I have a fetus I don't want, it's going bye bye (note, i'm a guy so the second won't be happening I really really hope). Tumor is a living mass of cells, fetus is a mass of living cells. You can say that the fetus has the potential to form into a human, perhaps I have some kind of rare cancer that if left would develop into a full other person. Fuck potentials, think of what is. And in the case of an unwanted pregnancy, what is is that that shit's gotta go however it has to get gone.

I agree. To hell with potentials. A human is not a potential human. It IS a human. It simply is not an ADULT human yet. As I said earlier, the difference between a fetus and an adult is a matter of degree, not being.

A tumor arrived in your body by means of an intruder, or at least something you didn't consent to. Also worth mentioning is the fact that not removing it might kill you. A baby is introduced by an act you DID consent to, in full knowledge of the consequences, excepting rape. It's wrong that unborn humans must die so that we may escape inconvenience.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Of course it's daft. I asked the question earlier, brain activity, heart beating?

Cerebral cortex activity.

 

[Atreus21]

What about killing because the life of the mother is in danger? Or killing because the conception was due to a rape or incest? That's the problem with absolutes.

And that's why there are very few absolutes. Even abortion is permissable in some circumstances. I allow exceptions if there is a real risk of killing the mother, and I'm personally conflicted regarding the rape/incest issue.

My reasoning regarding rape is that, when a crime is committed, the perpetrator should be made to pay. The baby is not at fault. However, I defer to the mother on this instance. I would not accuse her of negligence if she aborted the child of a rapist, and I don't think any law should force her to carry a rapist's child.

Also worth mentioning is that pregnancies as a result of rape are unbelievably rare. But I don't dismiss it.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I agree. To hell with potentials. A human is not a potential human. It IS a human. It simply is not an ADULT human yet. As I said earlier, the difference between a fetus and an adult is a matter of degree, not being.

Well, there are no degrees on life, you're either alive or not, you can't be a bit dead nor can you be somewhat alive.

The difference between a dead human being and a living human being isn't being either, is it?

You also confuse human with human being with human life but you already know that.

 

[her209]

A tumor arrived in your body by means of an intruder, or at least something you didn't consent to. Also worth mentioning is the fact that not removing it might kill you. A baby is introduced by an act you DID consent to, in full knowledge of the consequences, excepting rape. It's wrong that unborn humans must die so that we may escape inconvenience.

A tumor is not brought inside your body by an intruder. A tumor is an abnormal growth of body tissue.

 

[highland145]

We're not talking about alive humans being aborted and how we can stop that, stop twisting and turning, the fact is that they are as dead as you'd be if you blew your skull clean off.

That's not quite true. http://brainmind.com/FetalBrainDevelopment.html

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

A tumor is not brought inside your body by an intruder. A tumor is an abnormal growth of body tissue.

In some cases it doesn't even have your DNA and in many cases it's a result from an act you performed.

I do wish we could just drop that argument though and focus on human life instead since that is the gist of the issue, you can't kill a dead person and you cannot kill a fetus that isn't alive yet.

 

[Atreus21]

Well, there are no degrees on life, you're either alive or not, you can't be a bit dead nor can you be somewhat alive.

The difference between a dead human being and a living human being isn't being either, is it?

You also confuse human with human being with human life but you already know that.

That's exactly right. You're either a human being or you're not. No one argues that a fetus isn't alive. Simply that it isn't a human being.

 

[Atreus21]

A tumor is not brought inside your body by an intruder. A tumor is an abnormal growth of body tissue.

Whatever it is, you did not consent to it.

 

[highland145]

Cerebral cortex activity.

So week 10? http://brainmind.com/FetalBrainDevelopment.html

 

[her209]

Whatever it is, you did not consent to it.

Ok, so I consented to sex, but I don't consent to knocking up a girl therefore I used protection. She still got pregnant.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That's not quite true. http://brainmind.com/FetalBrainDevelopment.html

First of all, Rhawn Joseph, Ph.D is mostly known for his preaching that the world will end in a couple of years so take anything he says with a grain of salt, ok?

Secondly, he doesn't even touch on the clinical definitions and uses his own arbitrary definitions in place of medical and scientific definitions.

Cerebral cortex is not present, PERIOD. There is no need to discuss whether it is, of course, but what you would probably want to know at this stage is what the cerebral cortex is, what it does and what the consequences of a non-functioning cerebral cortex would be, right?

Well, don't take my word for it, look it up! Or do take my word for it when i tell you that beyond any shadow of any doubt, if your cerebral cortex would be non functioning then there would be no you.

 

[Atreus21]

Ok, so I consented to sex, but I don't consent to knocking up a girl therefore I used protection. She still got pregnant.

She wouldn't have gotten pregnant if you hadn't consented to sex. Consenting to a risk means consenting to the possible results.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

So week 10? http://brainmind.com/FetalBrainDevelopment.html

Beyond random impulse.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That's exactly right. You're either a human being or you're not. No one argues that a fetus isn't alive. Simply that it isn't a human being.

Jesus fucking CHRIST you are daft.

I'm arguing that it's not human life.

At this point i excuse myself from this debate with you since you obviously either cannot read, cannot comprehend or you are just trolling.

 

[Hacp]

What do you think legislating means exactly? And you are assuming common defense means defense from foreign. Stop ASSUMING shit. Defense means defense, both foreign AND domestic, which is listed multiple times. Tell me which do you think is worse? The suicide bomber that crashes a plane killing hundreds of people or the wall street asshole that fleeces billlions to put untold thousands homeless, in the streets, to suffer and die years later?

Moron, that line is meant literally for what it is stated. For defense and welfare. You can't draw an arbitrary line or boundary based on your own opinion. Your feelings about it doesn't change what it means nor exactly how it is written. Nor does is change how it is written in other places. Hacp, in this you are ABSOLUTELY and COMPLETELY wrong. Get over it. You have been pwned and school on this.

It was the intent of the founders to have a federal government that took care of federal issues. Arresting Bernie Madoff is interstate commerce. Arresting a common criminal is the job of the state. The fact is that the federal government was not meant to have as much power as it does today. If you look at the early presidents, they fought a few wars, purchased some land the expand the US, and then left the states alone to do their own things.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Here you have another link from Rhawn: http://journalofcosmology.com/Cosmology1.html

 

[Paratus]

So Atreus you feel that a fertilized egg = a baby = a person under the law is that correct?

And you feel that anything done by mother to remove the fertilized egg from her womb, like abortion or the morning after pill, is killing a child under the law. Is that correct?

 

[Atreus21]

So Atreus you feel that a fertilized egg = a baby = a person under the law is that correct?

And you feel that anything done by mother to remove the fertilized egg from her womb, like abortion or the morning after pill, is killing a child under the law. Is that correct?

My argument is that after implantation, the zygote is a human being at it's earliest stage of development.

With the exceptions to rape/incest, and considerable danger to the mother, yes that's correct.

 

[Paratus]

My argument is that after implantation, the zygote is a human being at it's earliest stage of development.

With the exceptions to rape/incest, and considerable danger to the mother, yes that's correct.

Ok so you are saying that life (or protection under the law) should start at implantation and NOT conception? I don't want to put words in your mouth.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

My argument is that after implantation, the zygote is a human being at it's earliest stage of development.

With the exceptions to rape/incest, and considerable danger to the mother, yes that's correct.

Why after implantation? Why not before? What is it that happens at that point that made you think that whoa, here we have a living human being?

 

[thraashman]

I don't consider the fetus a life or alive. I consider it to be part of a living being (the mother) and it can be removed. Like an appendix or a tumor. It's a surgery, it's serious, it shouldn't be done without heavy consideration and unless it has to be done. But if it has to be done, then do it. I've known 3 or 4 girls that have had abortions and I don't think any less of them for it.

 

[wiretap]

I'm surprised more people don't know simple history.. specifically the eugenics movement from people like Margaret Sanger who targeted the black population for extermination.

And scientifically, a new life begins when two sets of chromosomes combine to form a completely new set of DNA. We shall not deny the right to life, liberty or property without due process of law.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I don't consider the fetus a life or alive. I consider it to be part of a living being (the mother) and it can be removed. Like an appendix or a tumor. It's a surgery, it's serious, it shouldn't be done without heavy consideration and unless it has to be done. But if it has to be done, then do it. I've known 3 or 4 girls that have had abortions and I don't think any less of them for it.

I get your point but using correct definitions are vital IMO, without them any consideration or opinion is just as valid because all other definitions are wrong.