Aborted babies incinerated to heat UK hospitals

[Brovane]

Well that could have been handled better.

 

[rudder]

It's better to abort them now than letting them grow up unwanted and become a criminal later. It is more expensive to kill them as an adult via the long death penalty process.

but we can fatten them up and use all that fat oil in the furnace.

I think the issue here is that the parents had no knowledge or say so in their dead babies being used a fuel.

 

[dank69]

What world do you live in where you are blind to genocide?

How can society condemn throwing a dead jew in an incinerator, but an aborted child is ok?

Better the baby should be thrown into the furnace than subjected to a polio vaccine.

 

[Texashiker]

Abortion isn't genocide, it isn't murder either. Equivalency not found.

It was not murder to exterminate 7+ million jews either. It was perfectly legal.

Or did you sleep through history class?

These murdered children who are being incinerated fit the definition of genocide.

We have a defenseless class of people who are being legally murdered and then incinerated. If that is not genocide, then what is?

 

[Atreus21]

I'm glad you aren't going to the bat shit extreme or anything. You and the OP need to start a fund to pay for whatever it is you consider "proper disposal". The reality is it is medical waste under just about any definition and should be treated as such. And the thread title is deliberately wrong and misleading for reasons pointed out above.

Extreme? Using human remains for heating a building is pretty damned extreme.

 

[Atreus21]

but we can fatten them up and use all that fat oil in the furnace.

I think the issue here is that the parents had no knowledge or say so in their dead babies being used a fuel.

Well, there are several issues.

The first is that we're killing babies.

The second is that we're killing babies then using them as fuel.

The third is that liberals in this thread see no problem with it so far.

The fourth is that parents had no knowledge of the horrific method of disposal of a child they elected to destroy.

 

[brycejones]

Extreme? Using human remains for heating a building is pretty damned extreme.

Physics son...do you get it?

 

[MrPickins]

You can throw a water baloon in an incinerator. It doesn't magically mean the water is adding to the heat production.

Pretty much this.

The remains being incinerated actually reduces the energy output of the incinerator.

OP's title is a falsehood.

 

[brycejones]

It was not murder to exterminate 7+ million jews either. It was perfectly legal.

Or did you sleep through history class?

These murdered children who are being incinerated fit the definition of genocide.

We have a defenseless class of people who are being legally murdered and then incinerated. If that is not genocide, then what is?

Ok.....backing away from the crazy person now.....

 

[Atreus21]

Pretty much this.

The remains being incinerated actually reduces the energy output of the incinerator.

OP's title is a falsehood.

This is truly hilarious.

The skin of Jews wasn't used to make lampshades. Jew skin is too opaque.

 

[dank69]

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The third is that liberals in this thread see no problem with it so far.

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You caught me. If heating my home with dead babies is wrong, I don't want to be right.

 

[Texashiker]

Ok.....backing away from the crazy person now.....

You can call me crazy, but facts are facts.

Just as the nazis justified the slaughter of millions of jews, so we justify the slaughter of millions of unborn children.

Civilized societies should protect the civil rights of all citizens, and not just a select few.

 

[MrPickins]

This is truly hilarious.

The skin of Jews wasn't used to make lampshades. Jew skin is too opaque.

Not sure if stupid or just trolling.

 

[Atreus21]

You caught me. If heating my home with dead babies is wrong, I don't want to be right.

What argument have you presented against it?

 

[dank69]

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At least 15,500 foetal remains were incinerated ...

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... we justify the slaughter of millions of unborn children.

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Patented Texashiker fact.

 

[Atreus21]

Not sure if stupid or just trolling.

I might say the same about the argument that IronWing made and you seconded.

Saying that human remains weren't used as fuel because they make for poor fueling doesn't change the fact that they were used as fuel.

 

[brycejones]

You can call me crazy, but facts are facts.

Just as the nazis justified the slaughter of millions of jews, so we justify the slaughter of millions of unborn children.

Civilized societies should protect the civil rights of all citizens, and not just a select few.

You are so the voter that keeps the GOP able to do what it does, have fun being duped.

 

[MrPickins]

I might say the same about the argument that IronWing made and you seconded.

Saying that human remains weren't used as fuel because they make for poor fueling doesn't change the fact that they were used as fuel.

It's not a poor fuel, it's a net loss of heat, an endothermic reaction.

Go back to science class.

These fetal remains are being cremated, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[PottedMeat]

the only issue here :

The programme, which will air tonight, found that parents who lose children in early pregnancy were often treated without compassion and were not consulted about what they wanted to happen to the remains.

if they release it to the hospital then the hospital should dispose of it, like any medical waste, responsibly - like incineration

 

[Atreus21]

It's not a poor fuel, it's a net loss of heat, an endothermic reaction.

Go back to science class.

These fetal remains are being cremated, nothing more, nothing less.

Then present this argument to these guys:

Two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

This medical waste was incinerated, nothing more, nothing less.

FTFY

The waste to energy plant has no clue as to what is inside the medical waste bags. When the medical waste is brought into the facility it is dumped directly into the boiler feed hopper to ensure it's not mixed with the other waste to avoid any accidental employee exposure.

 

[IronWing]

So I went and did some crude calculations based on an exhaustive internet search (a good solid ten minutes) for input values.

On the Efficiency of a Fetii to Fuels Program
542.4 cal/g heat of vaporization water
2260 joules/g heat of vaporization water
0.24 cal/joule conversion
1 cal/(g*C) specific heat water
3200 g ave birth weight
30 kj/g energy content in fat
0.75 water percentage of human body (newborn)

Energy needed to remove water
3200 g total mass
2400 g water mass
75 C temp rise
180000 cal energy to raise temp to boiling
1301760 cal energy to boil water
1481760 cal total energy cost to remove water
1481.76 kcal total energy cost to remove water

Energy needed to raise fat to smoke point
280 C smoke point of lard
0.44 cal/(g*C) specific heat fat
440 g fat mass
255 C temp rise
49368 cal energy to heat fat
49.368 kcal energy to heat fat

Energy available from fat
440 g fat mass
13200 kj total energy content of fat
3168 kcal total energy content of fat


This calculation shows that incinerating a fetus would produce more heat than it consumes, ignoring the heat required to heat protein/bone and the heat produced by combusting protein/bone.

So I stand corrected. While a poor fuel, fetii are, in fact, fuel.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Silly Brits.

Don't you know you are suppose to feed those dead babies to our masters?!

They just LOVE eating unbaptized children.

 

[Gooberlx2]

"Ten NHS trusts have admitted burning foetal remains alongside other rubbish while two others used the bodies in ‘waste-to-energy’ plants which generate power for heat."

They're not using the bodies for fuel. At best they're recapturing the otherwise wasted heat they'd be generating anyway from running an incinerator. From the hospital's perspective it's all medical waste. But even if they treat the fetuses as little humans, would you complain about a crematorium recapturing the heat they're already generating?

The only controversial bit is perhaps the cases where staff did not consult about the remains with parents who lost a pregnancy.

This calculation shows that incinerating a newborn baby would produce more heat than it consumes

Fixed. Results would be different for, say, a fetus only developed to halfway through the second trimester.

 

[NetWareHead]

I see no problem with this. Its medical waste nothing more nothing less. Why not get some energy out of it? The parents did not take possession of it and not the abortion/miscarriage becomes the hospital's problem to dispose of. Law classifies it as medical waste and medical waste is incinerated.

To the OP, What do you propose should be done with these remains? if the parents do not want a proper burial than should the hospital have to find the funds?