Abit IP35-E board with bios update 14, does not POST on first try?

GundamF91

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The double booting has stopped after I updated my Abit IP35-E to bios update 14 (official), except that after I turn off the computer, when I try to turn it on with soft power button, it'll just boot and access harddrive (with both power and HDD LED lit) but there's no activity whatsoever on the monitor. Also there's no number lock indication.

This shows me that the first boot was not effective. So I would then manually hold power button 4sec, it'll shut off. After a few seconds, I'll power it up again, and usually on second try, the keyboard will light up and POST screen will show up on the monitor, and it'll load WinXP like normal.

Has anyone else experienced this? I really want to like the Abit IP35-E but this booting issue, either double booting, or manual 2nd booting has really not helped. I've never had a motherboard so much trouble, even my old AMD Socket A motherboard worked smoother than this.
 

Denithor

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I have the IP35-E myself but haven't experienced quite that issue so really cannot comment on how to fix it.

Instead, post the question in the IP35-E thread and SerpentRoyal will probably have some advice for you (he seems to be the IP35 god around here).
 

SerpentRoyal

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Originally posted by: GundamF91
The double booting has stopped after I updated my Abit IP35-E to bios update 14 (official), except that after I turn off the computer, when I try to turn it on with soft power button, it'll just boot and access harddrive (with both power and HDD LED lit) but there's no activity whatsoever on the monitor. Also there's no number lock indication.

This shows me that the first boot was not effective. So I would then manually hold power button 4sec, it'll shut off. After a few seconds, I'll power it up again, and usually on second try, the keyboard will light up and POST screen will show up on the monitor, and it'll load WinXP like normal.

Has anyone else experienced this? I really want to like the Abit IP35-E but this booting issue, either double booting, or manual 2nd booting has really not helped. I've never had a motherboard so much trouble, even my old AMD Socket A motherboard worked smoother than this.

Reflash 14 BIOS with the WB switch. Go back into BIOS and load Optimized Default. Reboot.

Go into BIOS and set the boot HDD as the 1st boot. Disable booting all other devices. Most boot issues are related to an unstable overclock, RAMs, or other USB devices (card reader, external HDD, etc) connected to the PC during boot.

I have an ancient Panasonic floppy drive. If I connect this floppy drive and set it as 1st boot, then the PC may display a blank screen. Swapping to a newer Samsung floppy fixed the boot problem.

Finally, you may want to flash back to 12 BIOS and retest.
 

nyker96

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Originally posted by: GundamF91
The double booting has stopped after I updated my Abit IP35-E to bios update 14 (official), except that after I turn off the computer, when I try to turn it on with soft power button, it'll just boot and access harddrive (with both power and HDD LED lit) but there's no activity whatsoever on the monitor. Also there's no number lock indication.

This shows me that the first boot was not effective. So I would then manually hold power button 4sec, it'll shut off. After a few seconds, I'll power it up again, and usually on second try, the keyboard will light up and POST screen will show up on the monitor, and it'll load WinXP like normal.

Has anyone else experienced this? I really want to like the Abit IP35-E but this booting issue, either double booting, or manual 2nd booting has really not helped. I've never had a motherboard so much trouble, even my old AMD Socket A motherboard worked smoother than this.

I flashed to 14 no problem. You might have to reset BIOS settings casuse I think flash mess that up.
 

GundamF91

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Okay, I'll give it a shot with all the reset. By the way, it's Antec Earthwatts 500w, so should be enough power. I thought the TriPower line had some similar issue. I'm running DDR2-800 at default 1.8v. Motherboard sensor temp says it's 20c. I'm experiencing this at default 2.2Ghz or the 3.0ghz overclock, so it's not the lack of voltage on a particular system.
 

SerpentRoyal

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Earthwatts 500 works well. Could be the official 14 BIOS. Some users have problem, others like me don't. I think it's related to the type of memory you have or the optical/floppy drive connected to the PC. If problem persists, then try 12 BIOS. I think there's a 13 BETA BIOS that fixes this hang-up and double post.
 

GundamF91

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Okay, flashed 14 again, loaded optimized setting, rebooted, put in my normal settings, still has the same issue, I think it may be just my set up. I guess I'll live with it, and wait for 15 or something. It's not too big of a bother as long as I don't turn off my computer during the day.

By the way, has anyone gotten 2x2GB to use 1T command rate on the IP35E? I set it 1T in bios, but when Windows loaded, it always show up as 2T in CPUz.
 

SerpentRoyal

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Don't have 2GB RAMs.

Did you set HDD as 1st boot and disable booting of all other devices?

Can you try 12 BIOS?

Can you try 1GB module? Some 2GB modules can be a little touchy during POST.
 

GundamF91

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Yeah, I disabled them all except for main HDD. I don't have any 1GB modules. I think the 2x2GB may be part of the issue. I'll keep trying. Sometimes though it boots right up, it's hard to duplicate the problem, but everytime I thought I got it sorted out, it would fail to POST again. I wonder if I got a lemon board.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: Denithor
SerpentRoyal will probably have some advice for you (he seems to be the IP35 god around here).

Shhhhhh, don't mention that or it'll go to his head. :confused:

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Originally posted by: Earfoam
If only everyone could be as smart as SR :roll:
And we have certified TROLL...

Wow, took just over a month to get certification. What's the world coming to?

Trolls, shills, what next? Anyone seen those daily threads on "snappy A64" under CPUs? Tsk tsk.

I have something kind of similar with my own IP35-E. It sometimes hangs on POST. However, I do see activity on my monitor, basically where it stops on POST. I'm interested in following this thread to see if there is a resolution... might fix my issue as well.
 

SerpentRoyal

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Two similar issues. You clean installed windows, correct? Flash 12 BIOS with the WB switch. Clear CMOS. Load Optimized Default and retest. Also try 14 BIOS. I suspect marginal memory may be the root cause of these issues. Raise Vdimm and relax memory timing may fix this problem.

If you've clean installed windows and still have boot problem, then connect only the boot HDD, mouse, and keyboard to the MB. Make sure the boot HDD is set as the 1st boot device. Retest.

I can only duplicate this problem if I push my RAM or FSB outside the nominal working range.
 

GundamF91

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In my case, it won't POST at all, just seems to post, with HDD and fans all powered on, but there's nothing on the screen. Then eventually the HDD LED light will go off, and then I'd press on power button to turn it off. I've found that when I press on again 2nd time, it'll load up BIOS and then it's all good.

I didn't do clean Window install though, which it should not matter. Even without any HDD connected, the system should boot into BIOS at the very least. The problem is simply getting to the BIOS.

What's the "WB switch" you mentioned? I flashed BIOS in Windows with Abit's FlashMenu. It works perfectly, and also I don't have a floppy drive. The timing's already relaxed at 5-5-5-18, and only running at 400mhz speed (1:1.2 memory divider in BIOS, since my FSB is 333mhz, so it's 333:400). My memory is my DDR2-800 A-Data 2x2Gb module. It loads perfectly at 1.8v, and I tried higher vdimm but that didnt' do anything for this issue.
 

SerpentRoyal

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Originally posted by: GundamF91
In my case, it won't POST at all, just seems to post, with HDD and fans all powered on, but there's nothing on the screen. Then eventually the HDD LED light will go off, and then I'd press on power button to turn it off. I've found that when I press on again 2nd time, it'll load up BIOS and then it's all good.

I didn't do clean Window install though, which it should not matter. Even without any HDD connected, the system should boot into BIOS at the very least. The problem is simply getting to the BIOS.

What's the "WB switch" you mentioned? I flashed BIOS in Windows with Abit's FlashMenu. It works perfectly, and also I don't have a floppy drive. The timing's already relaxed at 5-5-5-18, and only running at 400mhz speed (1:1.2 memory divider in BIOS, since my FSB is 333mhz, so it's 333:400). My memory is my DDR2-800 A-Data 2x2Gb module. It loads perfectly at 1.8v, and I tried higher vdimm but that didnt' do anything for this issue.


Are you sure you didn't see a flash of something on the screen when your first apply power? I could recreate Zap's anomaly in the lab, but if you see zero sign of life at the monitor after you've hit the power button, then the problem could be those RAMs. Remove the optical and boot drive to remove software from the test. This should allow you to access the BIOS if the monitor is active. Continue to hit the DELETE key right after hitting the power button.

If problem persits, then reset CMOS and load Optimized Default in BIOS. Retest without HDD and optical drive.

Run Memtest86 to check RAMs. I've seen a few cases where the GPU can cause random hang-up during POST. The solution was to use analog out instead of digital out.

WB is a command used to flash the boot block when you update the BIOS. See instruction at my 1st post (Abit IP35-E review).

Finally, reflash to 12 BIOS and repeat these tests if you see no solution with 14 BIOS.
 

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Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Originally posted by: Earfoam
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Some users have problem, others like me don't.

If only everyone could be as smart as SR :roll:


And we have certified TROLL...

No, I really wish I could be like you. You are so popular...and smart too
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Zap

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Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
I could recreate Zap's anomaly in the lab

Which one, the one where it just hangs on POST? What causes it in your experiments?

Originally posted by: Earfoam
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Dude, just stop it, okay? SerpentRoyal can be irritating and full of himself at times (don't take it personally, SR ;) ) but at least he's posting suggestions, which is more than I've seen you do.
 

SerpentRoyal

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I could get FSB to reset to 200MHz with 14 BIOS. Shutdown/restart restores the settings in BIOS.

As for the no POST, it only happened once with 14 BIOS (perhaps 50 clean reboots) and PATA HDD set as MASTER. No issue with SATA HDD. JMicron anomaly? I see verifying DMI POOL DATA, then a black screen. Hit the reset button fixes this problem. Still trying to replicate the no POST/black screen anomaly for a 2nd time. Does your HDD continue to load windows when you see the black screen or does it stop reading data? Have you flashed to 12 BIOS (use the WB switch to clear the boot block)?

 

GundamF91

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Once I'm done writing my paper next week, I'll flash it to 12. I really need this compute to work right now, can't take a chance on a bad reflash. And as long as I don't reboot during the day, it works just fine. And when I shut down for the night and then turn it on again in the morning, it's a minor irritance.

Okay, now I've written down exactly what happens. One key question for you SerpentRoyal is if your PS/2 keyboard NumLock stays on after you shut down. Read my experience to see if that is a sign or symptom.

When I turn on the computer in the morning, after it's been off and unplugged all night, I plug it in, or turn on PSU if I had shut off the PSU previously, then I press PWR to turn on system, the PWR LED is on, HDD LED is on, and IP35's red "standby" light is on. The fans will power on, I can hear HDD whining, but nothing else. There's no NumLock light on keyboard, my USB mouse optical light doesnt' come on, and most importantly, nothing whatsoever on the screen, not even a flash or anything. In fact if I turn monitor on/off, monitor will say it doesn't have an input signal. Also by virtue of lack of keyboard light or mouse light, it's pretty clear that Window's not being loaded. I cannot turn on/off NumLock by hitting NumLock key. I call this a "no POST single boot." The system just keeps running, until the HDD LED turn off. By then I know HDD isnt' accessing, so I would press-hold PWR for 4sec. This would turn the system off.

Then I would press PWR on again, if it's all good, I'll see a flash of NumLock/CapsLock/ScrollLock lights on my keyboard, and also USB mouse light will be on, then I know immediately the BIOS will come up. A second later, the BIOS will come up, at this point NumLock will still be off, but if I hit NumLock, the light will come on. Also I know I have access to keyboard because I can interrupt POST to get into BIOS. Now if I dont' do anything, it'll load into WindowsXP just fine, and at my original setting of 333x9. Once into WinXP, the system is extremely stable at 333x9 @ 1.32v. Very nice and cool running and no problem whatsoever for rest of the day. I tend to think of this as "manual double boot" since I had to manually shut down and then restart, which is somewhat like the automatic double boot.

Now here's what happens if I was to go into BIOS after it came on successfully, and for example, change FSB from 333 to 330. Once I confirm the change in BIOS, it'll exit, and reboot. This is probably how it changes strap on the FSB. Now that's where the problem starts. Sometimes it'll work just fine. But sometimes it'll hang at a restart. The symptom is that system will reboot, NumLock will stay on, but just like previous "no POST single boot", nothing will appear on the screen, and nothing on mouse optical light. So by then I'll know it's a bad boot, and it's stuck in this mode until I turn it off.

Now, there's another possibility after I change something in BIOS, that it'll restart, shut down, but then restart like a typical double boot, but then shuts down and restart up again, so this is like a "no POST Triple Boot". And on 3rd reboot, it'll behave like before, no POST, it'll just stay put and keep running with PWR LED on and HDD LED on, but nothing on the screen, NumLock would be on. Again, that's the type of circumstance that I can't even turn off NumLock light by hitting NumLock. At that point, I would have to PWR off again, and the system shuts down. But the NumLock will stay on, and IP35 red "standby" light would stay on.

From experience, both after "no POST single boot" and "no POST Triple Boot", I know if NumLock stays on after the system is off, it's not going to boot up right. All it'll do is just repeat the no POST "single boot", and come on, but will nothing to show for on screen. So I'd have to turn PSU off, or pull the plug, either way works. Wait 5sec for PSU power to bleed off residual charges, and NumLock and IP35 red standby light would then go off.

So now I know the system is back to "Power Clean" state. So from this point on, I can do the start up sequence starts from the top again. I might get a "no POST single boot" followered by a successful manual restart. Or that it'll hit "no POST triple boot", but this usually doesn't happen often.

I haven't been able to successful duplicate all the errors by isolating the things that I do. It seems mostly related to something I change in BIOS, but it doesn't really matter what's changed in BIOS, something as simple as "disable Floppy drive" could lead to it. I think it's more having to do with simply restarting after getting in and out of BIOS.

 

SerpentRoyal

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I have USB keyboard (Microsoft Ergo 4000) and a PS/2 HP optical mouse.

You should see the red LED on the board when you turn on the PSU. Once you hit the power switch on the case, then the green LED on the board should also come on.

Instead of holding the power switch for 4 seconds, try the reset switch. What you describe also happens with default settings (no oveclock)? My 1st guest would be the PSU. Which model are you using? A quality Antec 380 Earthwatts ($20 AR) should work well. I've seen flaky 1st boot with my former Antec SP 350. This would deteriorate to the point of no POST.

2nd guess would be RAMs. Be sure the RAMs are stable. Make sure you have manually input RAM voltage and timing. 2GB can be problematic during POST. The hang-up after BIOS change is a classic symptom of unstable overclock or unstable RAMs. Remember that you can have unstable RAMs even if you run them below rated speed. The system has difficulty locking-in on the new changes. That's why you'll see multiple reboots. BIOS reflash/update using the WB may help.

3rd guess would be the HDD. Are you using a PATA HDD? Did you clean installed windows?

4th guess would be USB card reader, USB HDD, or other USB devices (except for mouse and keyboard) that could interfere with the boot cycle.

Finally, there should not be any light on the keyboard after you've turned-off the PC. The red LED light on the board is always on if the PSU is connected to AC power. That's the standby power for the MB.

 

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Originally posted by: GundamF91
The double booting has stopped after I updated my Abit IP35-E to bios update 14 (official), except that after I turn off the computer, when I try to turn it on with soft power button, it'll just boot and access harddrive (with both power and HDD LED lit) but there's no activity whatsoever on the monitor. Also there's no number lock indication.

This shows me that the first boot was not effective. So I would then manually hold power button 4sec, it'll shut off. After a few seconds, I'll power it up again, and usually on second try, the keyboard will light up and POST screen will show up on the monitor, and it'll load WinXP like normal.

Has anyone else experienced this? I really want to like the Abit IP35-E but this booting issue, either double booting, or manual 2nd booting has really not helped. I've never had a motherboard so much trouble, even my old AMD Socket A motherboard worked smoother than this.

Do you want my Asus A8N32-SLI? That will give you plenty of headaches.
 

scifctn

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Hi,

Registered because Im having the Exact same problem.

Coolermaster extreme 500w PSU
Corsair XMS ddr2 800mhz 4x 1gb
q6600 G0
xfx 8800gt
WD sata HD - 500gb

It's all good unless I OC....even the slightest FSB increase results in these symptoms.
 

SerpentRoyal

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Have you flashed to 12 BIOS using the WB switch? Have you adjusted the RAM voltage and timing to specs? Have you dropped memory divider to 1:1? You can follow up @ the Abit IP35-E review thread.