Abdulelah Haider Shaye, The Other Journalist The Obama Administration Has Targeted

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Abdulelah Haider Shaye is a Yemeni journalist who has been in jail in Yemen because he reported on evidence that the US government launched a missile strike on the village of Al Majala and the Yemeni government took the blame for it.

The missile strike killed 14 women, 21 children and 14 alleged terrorists. The Yemeni government took the blame to protect the US but the journalist Shaye found remnants of US Tomahawk Missiles.

He reported that the US was behind that missile strike and later was arrested for having ties to a terrorist group after refusing to back off the story. Supporters pressured the government to release him but in early 2011 Barrack Obama personally intervened and pressured the government to keep him in prison.

The US government hasn't presented any evidence that he is a terrorist.

Abdulelah Haider Shaye might have different views but he did nothing illegal and wrong and he should be released.


Should Abdulelah Haider Shaye be released?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/31/abdulelah-haider-shaye-yemeni-journalist_n_3366843.html

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/31/5462179/yemeni-journalist-abdulelah-haider.html

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/03/barack-obama-murderous-sociopath - Evidence of US involvement
 

EagleKeeper

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Let him be Yemen's problem
 

Genx87

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Where are the lefts calls about creating more terrorists than we are killing since 2009? That is a lot of collteral damage that will surely create many many more terrorists!
 

fskimospy

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Where are the lefts calls about creating more terrorists than we are killing since 2009? That is a lot of collteral damage that will surely create many many more terrorists!

The left is generally against drone strikes like this.
 

Genx87

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The left is generally against drone strikes like this.

They are pretty silent compared to this Bush years. Barely a thread on it here. Nor endless articles in the MSM about the collateral damage from our policies in the region.
 

brycejones

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Shame on Yemen for letting their justice system be influenced by an external request.

Drone strikes over the long haul are a bad policy. Just imagine how pissed we would be if china started shooting missiles at people it didn't like in this country.
 
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ivwshane

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They are pretty silent compared to this Bush years. Barely a thread on it here. Nor endless articles in the MSM about the collateral damage from our policies in the region.

Lol, the drone program was "non existent" until Obama acknowledged the program. Kinda hard to be against something that doesn't exist unless you have evidence it existed. And guess who were the first to report its existence? And guess who has been the most vocal about the program? Here is a hint, its nobody on the right;)
 

fskimospy

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They are pretty silent compared to this Bush years. Barely a thread on it here. Nor endless articles in the MSM about the collateral damage from our policies in the region.

There have been dozens if not hundreds of articles on drone strikes since Obama has been president. I would say the NYT alone averages at least 2-3 a month.
 

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There have been dozens if not hundreds of articles on drone strikes since Obama has been president. I would say the NYT alone averages at least 2-3 a month.




How many people cheered Obama's response to the Code Pinker and then look at the applauding of Code Pink during the Bush years. There's a disconnect in the anti-war movement that I wish would pull its head out of its ass since this President should be more receptive to the message than the last one. :\
 

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Let him be Yemen's problem

This is true but it looks really bad when obama tells them to keep him in prison, just for simply reporting the truth. What did he do wrong? Make obama look bad? His drone policy appears more out of control now? That is no reason for jail time.

And speaking of obama influence, WHY IS THAT DOCTOR FROM PAKISTAN WHO HELPED NAB OSAMA STILL IN JAIL?!?
Obama and current sec of defense are the reason he is there, rather than locking up people who make the us look bad in other countries, we should stand up for those who helped us take down the worlds most wanted terrorist
 

Genx87

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Lol, the drone program was "non existent" until Obama acknowledged the program. Kinda hard to be against something that doesn't exist unless you have evidence it existed. And guess who were the first to report its existence? And guess who has been the most vocal about the program? Here is a hint, its nobody on the right;)

Do you usually stick your head in the sand and pretend the real world is only that as has been acknolwedged by politicians? Regardless of what Obama has acknowledged. We all knew a drone program was being utilized to bomb people in far away lands with plenty of collateral damage.
 

Genx87

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There have been dozens if not hundreds of articles on drone strikes since Obama has been president. I would say the NYT alone averages at least 2-3 a month.

2-3 a month? That is my entire point. Under Bush there were about 2-3 a day.
 

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He's our problem if the US President is "asking" for him to be detained.

The US apparently feels/has evidence that he is involved with AQ.

Enough that no one wants to challenge such.

It is very easy for journalists to lay both sides of the fence to get a story.
He may have done so and got caught at it.
 

Bowfinger

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2-3 a month? That is my entire point. Under Bush there were about 2-3 a day.
And under Bush we killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people vs. now killing hundreds. Kids, this isn't hard. The scale of killing today is orders of magnitude less than it was during the Bush years. Yes, both are bad and warrant condemnation, but anyone with at least three working neurons (and an ounce of objectivity) can see the dramatic difference in scale. That the level of attention is lower now is common sense to anyone not flogging an ulterior agenda.
 

Genx87

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And under Bush we killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people vs. now killing hundreds. Kids, this isn't hard. The scale of killing today is orders of magnitude less than it was during the Bush years. Yes, both are bad and warrant condemnation, but anyone with at least three working neurons (and an ounce of objectivity) can see the dramatic difference in scale. That the level of attention is lower now is common sense to anyone not flogging an ulterior agenda.

Try thousands but I question why a body count has anything to do the level of outrage we should feel for killing people not associated with a threat. Whether it is 1 or 10000 what does it matter? The policy is crap and should be discussed much more than it currently is.
 
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Let him be Yemen's problem

Considering he was supposed to be released and then was jailed longer because Obama intervened then he is our problem.

They are pretty silent compared to this Bush years. Barely a thread on it here. Nor endless articles in the MSM about the collateral damage from our policies in the region.

This is a big problem. The people complaining during the bush years mosty complained for political reasons. They didn't really care about the deaths since with obama coverage has dropped drastically.
 

Bowfinger

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Try thousands but I question why a body count has anything to do the level of outrage we should feel for killing people not associated with a threat. Whether it is 1 or 10000 what does it matter? The policy is crap and should be discussed much more than it currently is.
OK, let's go with thousands for the sake of argument (though I'd like to see that number supported). Regardless, of course magnitude matters, not to whether something is right or wrong, but certainly to the attention it warrants. That notwithstanding, I agree the policy deserves more attention. Drone strikes cause far less "collateral damage" than invasions and carpet bombing, but all innocent deaths are wrong and we should be doing all that we can to prevent them.

I do have to question your sincerity in this, however. I remember you as an outspoken cheerleader for our attack on Iraq, with nary a peep of concern for the hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed. Indeed, that's a common theme among those attacking the left about drones. It smacks of purely partisan hypocrisy.
 

fskimospy

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2-3 a month? That is my entire point. Under Bush there were about 2-3 a day.

Uhmm, no there weren't. I read the NYT every day, if you can point me to a section in their archives where you see 2-3 drone articles a day I would love to see it.

Drones are a constant topic in the media on all levels. What you wrote was just wrong. If you mean there are fewer articles on our collateral damage in the region in general, doesn't that make sense considering how much less collateral damage we are causing in the region at the moment?

What would be truly baffling is if the coverage remained the same despite the removal of a hundred thousand troops+ and the end of a major invasion.
 

Genx87

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OK, let's go with thousands for the sake of argument (though I'd like to see that number supported). Regardless, of course magnitude matters, not to whether something is right or wrong, but certainly to the attention it warrants. That notwithstanding, I agree the policy deserves more attention. Drone strikes cause far less "collateral damage" than invasions and carpet bombing, but all innocent deaths are wrong and we should be doing all that we can to prevent them.

I do have to question your sincerity in this, however. I remember you as an outspoken cheerleader for our attack on Iraq, with nary a peep of concern for the hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed. Indeed, that's a common theme among those attacking the left about drones. It smacks of purely partisan hypocrisy.

Lets just say I have changed from my neocon days. Or as Obama would say, I have evolved on my view of just about everything concerning our foreign policy or role of govt in general.
 

Genx87

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Uhmm, no there weren't. I read the NYT every day, if you can point me to a section in their archives where you see 2-3 drone articles a day I would love to see it.

Drones are a constant topic in the media on all levels. What you wrote was just wrong. If you mean there are fewer articles on our collateral damage in the region in general, doesn't that make sense considering how much less collateral damage we are causing in the region at the moment?

What would be truly baffling is if the coverage remained the same despite the removal of a hundred thousand troops+ and the end of a major invasion.

Oh gee you didnt get the hyperbole in my response? The point is there were far more stories\opinion pieces critical of our administrations policies abroad than there are now.
 

fskimospy

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Oh gee you didnt get the hyperbole in my response? The point is there were far more stories\opinion pieces critical of our administrations policies abroad than there are now.

We had just conducted a catastrophic invasion based on false pretenses that had led to the deaths of thousands of US troops and tens or hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

Why on earth would you think there would NOT be far more stories/opinion pieces critical of our policy over there? How absolutely batshit insane would it be if there were not?
 

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There's no use in asking hyperpartisans to see the bigger picture.

Under Bush, we had Democrats screaming "NO BLOOD FOR OIL!11 BUSHITLER IS THE DEVIL!!!!" constantly. Tools like Harvey would post daily 8 page diatribes about the evils of Bush. At the same time, Republicans couldn't give a shit who we were bombing or why. Republicans love using phrases like "let's make glass domes in the middle east" and other mindless warmongering slogans.

Now under Obama, the best the Democrats can muster is a "I am disappointed by Obama" while the Republicans demand his impeachment because he blew up a terrorist camp.

Simply put, politics makes people crazy.
 

ivwshane

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Do you usually stick your head in the sand and pretend the real world is only that as has been acknolwedged by politicians? Regardless of what Obama has acknowledged. We all knew a drone program was being utilized to bomb people in far away lands with plenty of collateral damage.

Way to miss the fucking point, again!


2-3 a month? That is my entire point. Under Bush there were about 2-3 a day.

Prove it.

Oh gee you didnt get the hyperbole in my response? The point is there were far more stories\opinion pieces critical of our administrations policies abroad than there are now.

Where would you like to move the goal posts next? The discussion was clearly about drone strikes and the reporting on them and now you are changing it to being about stories that are critical of this admins foreign policy.