ABC taking heat for Caveman show

Bumrush99

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Another example of the PC crown flexing their collective muscle.. This show will NEVER see the light of day...

Crazy Crazy Politically Correct Madness at work..

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'Cavemen' series gets a new criticism: It's racist
BY GLENN GARVIN
The producers of ABC's new sitcom Cavemen, based on a series of popular advertisements for the insurance company Geico, were ready to defend themselves against charges of rampant commercialism. But the charge that their show about put-upon Cro-Magnons in the modern world has racist undertones took them by surprise.

''I actually didn't know we would catch so much hell,'' Cavemen writer Joe Lawson ruefully told a room full of highly critical critics at a gathering of North American television writers here Wednesday. ``That's a pleasant surprise.''

Cavemen, which features shaggy Cro-Magnons trying to make their way through a hostile Homo Sapiens world, won't even air until October but is already drenched in its second wave of controversy.

The first came in May when ABC announced it was converting a handful of 30-second insurance commercials into a half-hour series. The Cavemen producers had to endure a seemingly endless round of cracks like the one on Saturday Night Live's satirical Weekend Update newscast, which announced NBC would counter with a new drama called 1-800-Mattress.

But as the show's pilot episode began circulating in Hollywood, so did a new round of criticism: that Cavemen trafficked in the very racial caricatures it was supposed to be lampooning. By depicting the Cro-Magnons as good dancers, great athletes and grand sexual partners, the show's detractors argued, Cavemen was using black stereotypes for cheap racist laughs. ''We finally get to laugh at all the stereotypes in the world directed at cavemen, without feeling guilty,'' wrote one Hollywood blogger. ABC's decision to reshoot the pilot didn't exactly help.

Wednesday's panel discussion here was the first time Cavemen producers have discussed the show in public, and they said people are reading too much into what they called a ''fish out of water'' story.

''Unfortunately, in our society, if you pick an offensive stereotype of any kind, it's going to bump into some ethnic group,'' said Mike Schiff, one of the executive producers. ``Is the show about race relations? No. Is that a background to the show? Yes, of course.''

Lawson, who wrote the original Geico commercials as well as the pilot, said that if the Cro-Magnons are an allegorical stand-in for anybody, it's not black people but outsiders.

''As human beings, we all have that need to fit in,'' he said. ``It's really a show about acclimation more than anything, and that's something that everybody deals with, doesn't matter if you're a minority or not.''

Not everybody -- in fact, almost nobody -- in the room was buying it, partly because some of the Cavemen story lines the producers offered as evidence the show isn't about race (for instance, one of the cavemen concealing the fact that he's dating a Homo Sapiens woman, for fear his Cro Magnon friends won't like it) sounded like race was exactly what they were about.

The cavemen are ''known for their athletic prowess, their sexual prowess, their dancing,'' complained one critic, to which director Josh Gordon deadpanned: ``They're Jewish.''

So many questions were about hot-button racial topics that the producers actually seemed relieved when anybody circled back to the subject of commercialism. When one critic sarcastically asked if the gecko lizard who stars in another group of Geico commercials would be making a guest appearance on Cavemen, Gordon replied that it ``depends on how ratings are.''

And he was sympathetic to the charge of another critic that Cavemen suffered ''a failure in anthropological verisimilitude'' by making its Cro-Magnons look more like Neanderthals and suggested that the show fire all its technical advisors.

''If we had technical advisors,'' Gordon conceded, ``we would probably fire them.''

Ohhh Noes the racist liberal TV executives are making fun of black people again!!! Run for the hills!!! Even if this is loosely based at poking fun of race relations in the country, does that automatically make it bad?
 

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i want to see that show

it could be pretty funny

i have stolen the phrase for my internal project at work

"<Project Name>, so easy a Caveman can do it!"

it is a slam on the (l)users that use it. i guess i shouldn't do that. :/
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
i want to see that show

it could be pretty funny

i have stolen the phrase for my internal project at work

"<Project Name>, so easy a Caveman can do it!"

it is a slam on the (l)users that use it. i guess i shouldn't do that. :/

The worst part about these executives slamming the show is that it sounds pretty damn funny!!
 

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Even if this is loosely based at poking fun of race relations in the country, does that automatically make it bad?

Yes - we are all the same so no one can point out the obvious differences that everyone knows about but have to ignore the existence of because we are all the same - but in a unique, individual way that should celebrate our heritage and strengths - that don't exist because everyone is equal

 

AnyMal

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So... to say that black men are good at sports/dancing/sex is racist? :confused: wow
 

torpid

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I don't know whether it is racist or not but it definitely seems to be playing off of racial stereotypes based on the description. That doesn't mean it's racist - it would depend on the result.
 

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How Interesting.. ATOT is upset because they think a vast PC conspiracy is underway to cover up funny shows

This is a unique, original, and thought provoking thread. *rolls eyes*

@OP... Just because people voice concern or dislike over something doesnt mean they control it or have the power to stop it. Last time I checked everyone in America was entitled to their opinion.
 

AnyMal

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Originally posted by: torpid
I don't know whether it is racist or not but it definitely seems to be playing off of racial stereotypes based on the description. That doesn't mean it's racist - it would depend on the result.

It seems that positive stereotypes can be deemed racist by the PC crowd only when it applies to blacks. For example, noone is offended when its said that jews are good with money, chinese are good at math, etc...
 

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But... aren't the GEICO cavemen white? :confused: I thought the commercials had a hint of white yuppy stereotypes if anything. :confused:
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: benjpw
How Interesting.. ATOT is upset because they think a vast PC conspiracy is underway to cover up funny shows

This is a unique, original, and thought provoking thread. *rolls eyes*

@OP... Just because people voice concern or dislike over something doesnt mean they control it or have the power to stop it. Last time I checked everyone in America was entitled to their opinion.

No conspiracy, but pretty pathetic when a bunch of people get all riled up because a producer is coming with up with SATIRE that becomes a political issue because people are to sensitive to laugh about things..
 

Safeway

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Is it just me, or is the black community assuming that the ignorant cavemen character depicted is referring to them? Does that mean that blacks see themselves as a lesser evolved sub-human? No, it most definitely does not, says the black community. Then why would these fucked up, stupid fucking expendable piece of shit black card fucking affirmative action bullshit fucking ass objections ever be verbalized?
 

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Originally posted by: Safeway
Is it just me, or is the black community assuming that the ignorant cavemen character depicted is referring to them? Does that mean that blacks see themselves as a lesser evolved sub-human? No, it most definitely does not, says the black community. Then why would these fucked up, stupid fucking expendable piece of shit black card fucking affirmative action bullshit fucking ass objections ever be verbalized?

Woah, I think you are taking this too far. While I agree that the PC crowd is over the top and hypocritical, I do not think they deserve that type of attitude....
I can understand why they have less than stellar self image, but it does not excuse this rush to judgement because a show may potentially expose stupid stereotypes that are actually funny.
 

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When I first read about this series they said the whole idea was that they could take shots at stereotypes across a very wide spectrum without giving offense since there are no cavemen alive today to be offended. Seems they underestimated the PC/Racial Offense crowd and their ability to take offense to anything be it real or imagined.
 

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Originally posted by: Platypus
This show is offensive only because of how fucking stupid it sounds :p

I have to agree with this. I doubt I would ever watch it.
 

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Originally posted by: AnyMal
So... to say that black men are good at sports/dancing/sex is racist? :confused: wow

Well, all I have to say is some people are sooo full of themselves.
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: torpid
I don't know whether it is racist or not but it definitely seems to be playing off of racial stereotypes based on the description. That doesn't mean it's racist - it would depend on the result.

It seems that positive stereotypes can be deemed racist by the PC crowd only when it applies to blacks. For example, noone is offended when its said that jews are good with money, chinese are good at math, etc...

You are joking, right? Many or most people find both of those examples offensive.

 

Safeway

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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Safeway
Is it just me, or is the black community assuming that the ignorant cavemen character depicted is referring to them? Does that mean that blacks see themselves as a lesser evolved sub-human? No, it most definitely does not, says the black community. Then why would these fucked up, stupid fucking expendable piece of shit black card fucking affirmative action bullshit fucking ass objections ever be verbalized?

Woah, I think you are taking this too far. While I agree that the PC crowd is over the top and hypocritical, I do not think they deserve that type of attitude....
I can understand why they have less than stellar self image, but it does not excuse this rush to judgement because a show may potentially expose stupid stereotypes that are actually funny.

I say what's on my mind. Here is the standard disclaimer: I'm not a racist, nor do I have a superiority complex. I have tons of black friends and do not have a problem with interracial couples. I am just tired of this Jessie Jackson bullshit. The guy is a cave man, not a black man.
 

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: torpid
I don't know whether it is racist or not but it definitely seems to be playing off of racial stereotypes based on the description. That doesn't mean it's racist - it would depend on the result.

It seems that positive stereotypes can be deemed racist by the PC crowd only when it applies to blacks. For example, noone is offended when its said that jews are good with money, chinese are good at math, etc...

You are joking, right? Many or most people find both of those examples offensive.

Actually, no, we don't find that offensive. We find it hilarious that you morons think we're good at math because its not the race but how hard you're beat by parents to excel in academia.


 

Safeway

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Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: torpid
I don't know whether it is racist or not but it definitely seems to be playing off of racial stereotypes based on the description. That doesn't mean it's racist - it would depend on the result.

It seems that positive stereotypes can be deemed racist by the PC crowd only when it applies to blacks. For example, noone is offended when its said that jews are good with money, chinese are good at math, etc...

You are joking, right? Many or most people find both of those examples offensive.

A Jewish friend of mine can get you a great deal on a high quality diamond while a black friend of mine raps to a piece of Mozart played on the piano by my Korean friend. :beer:
 

AnyMal

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Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: torpid
Originally posted by: AnyMal
Originally posted by: torpid
I don't know whether it is racist or not but it definitely seems to be playing off of racial stereotypes based on the description. That doesn't mean it's racist - it would depend on the result.

It seems that positive stereotypes can be deemed racist by the PC crowd only when it applies to blacks. For example, noone is offended when its said that jews are good with money, chinese are good at math, etc...

You are joking, right? Many or most people find both of those examples offensive.

A Jewish friend of mine can get you a great deal on a high quality diamond while a black friend of mine raps to a piece of Mozart played on the piano by my Korean friend. :beer:

:thumbsup: Amazing how many people choose to live with sticks up their asses.