ABC Pulls a Dan Rather: Page was 18, not 16

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

As far as I can tell, it seems to be only one or two "right wingers" on this message board blaming Democrats and trying to make comparisons, but maybe you were referring to Republicans (not all "right wingers" are Republicans) in general.

Although, the same could be said of Democrats, they are just as predictable. I seriously doubt that Democrats would be doing anything different if the roles were reversed.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I just want to be clear on this issue. If I become a congressman then I can hit on all that hot young page ass that comes my way?

Sure, as long as if I become President I can bang all the fat nasty interns I want

 

[dahunan]

the party of values covering up for a gay pedophile

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

I think the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It isn't as though they haven't been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. The selective moral outrage is pathetic.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

Please, tell me who is defending Foley? I'm not, and I haven't seen anyone try to.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

I think the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It isn't as though they haven't been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. The selective moral outrage is pathetic.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

Please, tell me who is defending Foley? I'm not, and I haven't seen anyone try to.

Probably referring to ProfJohn, who I think is asking more questions than actually defending him, although I can see how at some times it would seem like he is defending him. How dare someone question a story like this, it should be believed one hundred percent without any investigation!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

I think the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It isn't as though they haven't been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. The selective moral outrage is pathetic.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

Please, tell me who is defending Foley? I'm not, and I haven't seen anyone try to.

Probably referring to ProfJohn, who I think is asking more questions than actually defending him, although I can see how at some times it would seem like he is defending him. How dare someone question a story like this, it should be believed one hundred percent without any investigation!

The kids are egging the congressman on.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

I think the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It isn't as though they haven't been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. The selective moral outrage is pathetic.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

Please, tell me who is defending Foley? I'm not, and I haven't seen anyone try to.

Not me, I was even placing a disclaimer in my posts so people would not think I am defending Foley.

I am just questioning the "story" behind this story. And already we are learning that the IMs ABC news cast as being between Foley and a 16 year old page were actually between two adults.

How many other revelations like this one are going to come out in the next few days?

Now that we know who the other person in the sex IMs is the next question is how did they get out into the public eye? Did this guy send them to ABC, were the stolen, how long ago did ABC get them? Etc etc etc lots of details need to be learned about this story.

No matter what happens Foley is still gone and hopefully getting help to deal with his like of young men.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

I think the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It isn't as though they haven't been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. The selective moral outrage is pathetic.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

Please, tell me who is defending Foley? I'm not, and I haven't seen anyone try to.

Probably referring to ProfJohn, who I think is asking more questions than actually defending him, although I can see how at some times it would seem like he is defending him. How dare someone question a story like this, it should be believed one hundred percent without any investigation!

The kids are egging the congressman on.

Good clip, it shows the Republicans calling out the Dems on their hypocricy. That is NOT what this should be about, and I do not agree with them doing it.....But, they have a point. Are the Dems not being hypocritical about this whole thing?

The Democrats and Republicans are both being incredibly predictable, but thats no shock, what do you expect? If the tables were turned, the majority of people would be doing the exact same thing that they are accusing their political opponents of doing.

I also like the end when the MSNBC reporter makes a snide remark about a Fox News reporter saying "I hope this doesnt get political" when she is doing exactly that (along with everyone else under the sun).

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: JD50

Good clip, it shows the Republicans calling out the Dems on their hypocricy. That is NOT what this should be about, and I do not agree with them doing it.....But, they have a point. Are the Dems not being hypocritical about this whole thing?

The Democrats and Republicans are both being incredibly predictable, but thats no shock, what do you expect? If the tables were turned, the majority of people would be doing the exact same thing that they are accusing their political opponents of doing.

I also like the end when the MSNBC reporter makes a snide remark about a Fox News reporter saying "I hope this doesnt get political" when she is doing exactly that (along with everyone else under the sun).

Actually there has been precious little commentary on this story from Democratic politicians. I've only heard a few comment on it at all, because they presumably prefer to let the Republicans melt down on their own. If you've seen a torrent of commentary by Democratic politicians, please feel free to post it, but that just isn't the reality.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

I think the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It isn't as though they haven't been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. The selective moral outrage is pathetic.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

Please, tell me who is defending Foley? I'm not, and I haven't seen anyone try to.

Not me, I was even placing a disclaimer in my posts so people would not think I am defending Foley.

I am just questioning the "story" behind this story. And already we are learning that the IMs ABC news cast as being between Foley and a 16 year old page were actually between two adults.

How many other revelations like this one are going to come out in the next few days?

Now that we know who the other person in the sex IMs is the next question is how did they get out into the public eye? Did this guy send them to ABC, were the stolen, how long ago did ABC get them? Etc etc etc lots of details need to be learned about this story.

No matter what happens Foley is still gone and hopefully getting help to deal with his like of young men.

There is your problem right there, you are questioning the story.

If you question the story then you are obviously defending Foley.

If you question the minimum wage then you hate poor people.

If you question free healthcare you hate poor people.

etc...etc...etc...

Wait, I thought Republicans were the predictable ones?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

I think the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It isn't as though they haven't been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. The selective moral outrage is pathetic.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

Please, tell me who is defending Foley? I'm not, and I haven't seen anyone try to.

Probably referring to ProfJohn, who I think is asking more questions than actually defending him, although I can see how at some times it would seem like he is defending him. How dare someone question a story like this, it should be believed one hundred percent without any investigation!

The kids are egging the congressman on.

Good clip, it shows the Republicans calling out the Dems on their hypocricy. That is NOT what this should be about, and I do not agree with them doing it.....But, they have a point. Are the Dems not being hypocritical about this whole thing?

The Democrats and Republicans are both being incredibly predictable, but thats no shock, what do you expect? If the tables were turned, the majority of people would be doing the exact same thing that they are accusing their political opponents of doing.

I also like the end when the MSNBC reporter makes a snide remark about a Fox News reporter saying "I hope this doesnt get political" when she is doing exactly that (along with everyone else under the sun).

this is where every single right-wing sheep gets it wrong. the democrats have never claimed to be the party of morality, nor do they actively try and legislate their version of morality on the public. the right-wing does, unfortunately, and they deserve to get called out on every single bit of hypocrisy that exists in their pathetic shell of a party.

i cannot believe there are people on this board who are actually defending these crooks. this Congress is a pathetic joke, and yet you morons are defending it like they deserve to even be there.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohnHow many other revelations like this one are going to come out in the next few days?

Gasp! How many blogs will we believe as gospel truth?!? :roll:

 

[OrByte]

if the story hadnt broke this guy might still be soliciting sex from minors.

and that would be just A-OK for the right-wingers.... pathetic.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

I think the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It isn't as though they haven't been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. The selective moral outrage is pathetic.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

Please, tell me who is defending Foley? I'm not, and I haven't seen anyone try to.

Probably referring to ProfJohn, who I think is asking more questions than actually defending him, although I can see how at some times it would seem like he is defending him. How dare someone question a story like this, it should be believed one hundred percent without any investigation!

The kids are egging the congressman on.

Good clip, it shows the Republicans calling out the Dems on their hypocricy. That is NOT what this should be about, and I do not agree with them doing it.....But, they have a point. Are the Dems not being hypocritical about this whole thing?

The Democrats and Republicans are both being incredibly predictable, but thats no shock, what do you expect? If the tables were turned, the majority of people would be doing the exact same thing that they are accusing their political opponents of doing.

I also like the end when the MSNBC reporter makes a snide remark about a Fox News reporter saying "I hope this doesnt get political" when she is doing exactly that (along with everyone else under the sun).

this is where every single right-wing sheep gets it wrong. the democrats have never claimed to be the party of morality, nor do they actively try and legislate their version of morality on the public. the right-wing does, unfortunately, and they deserve to get called out on every single bit of hypocrisy that exists in their pathetic shell of a party.

i cannot believe there are people on this board who are actually defending these crooks. this Congress is a pathetic joke, and yet you morons are defending it like they deserve to even be there.

I might be mistaken, but I don't remember defending anyone that had anything to do with this. If I'm wrong by all means, please quote me.

Good point though, the Democrats claim to be the party of tolerance. So shouldn't you accept Foley for what he is, do you hate gay people?

And I guess trying to legalize gay marriage isn't trying to legislate your version of morality on the public? Nice try though, like I said, both sides are equally hypocritical.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: OrByte
if the story hadnt broke this guy might still be soliciting sex from minors.

and that would be just A-OK for the right-wingers.... pathetic.

Who said that what he did was "A-OK"?....pathetic

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: ProfJohnHow many other revelations like this one are going to come out in the next few days?

Gasp! How many blogs will we believe as gospel truth?!? :roll:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Drudge had a pretty good record on the things he posts being true. Am I wrong about this? Can anyone back up their allegations with proof that he is wrong more often than not?


I notice from Wiki that he broke the Monica story, but he was wrong some other stories... anyone else have proof of him linking incorrect stories?

 

[johnnobts]

Gasp! How many blogs will we believe as gospel truth?!?

_______________

Uh, believe ABC? We'll see what happens over the week. By the way, Hastert's sticking around (and rightfully so). This makes me about as mad as I was over the libs pushing Trent Lott out of his leadership slot in the Senate.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: OrByte
if the story hadnt broke this guy might still be soliciting sex from minors.

and that would be just A-OK for the right-wingers.... pathetic.

You seem to have missed some of the posts on the other thread. There is a very good chance that the details of the sexual IMs have been in the hands of the people who broke this story since 'July'
When I say "broke" I don't mean reporters, I mean the people supplying the information to the reporters.

If the people who supplied the story to the media knew of the sex IMs in July and waited till October to publish them then they are the ones who you should be asking that question too.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: ProfJohnHow many other revelations like this one are going to come out in the next few days?

Gasp! How many blogs will we believe as gospel truth?!? :roll:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Drudge had a pretty good record on the things he posts being true. Am I wrong about this? Can anyone back up their allegations with proof that he is wrong more often than not?


I notice from Wiki that he broke the Monica story, but he was wrong some other stories... anyone else have proof of him linking incorrect stories?

He also broke the big news that Hilary Clinton would be Kerry's running mate. He has kept that story as an exclusive for more than two years now!

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: ProfJohnHow many other revelations like this one are going to come out in the next few days?

Gasp! How many blogs will we believe as gospel truth?!? :roll:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Drudge had a pretty good record on the things he posts being true. Am I wrong about this? Can anyone back up their allegations with proof that he is wrong more often than not?


I notice from Wiki that he broke the Monica story, but he was wrong some other stories... anyone else have proof of him linking incorrect stories?

He also broke the big news that Hilary Clinton would be Kerry's running mate. He has kept that story as an exclusive for more than two years now!

Nice
Anyone remember that the story of Kerry's running mate was broke on an Airline blog by someone who saw the plane being painted the night before the announcement.

 

[slash196]

Why do people still link to the drudge report? Aren't we all thinking people? Can we not tell when sources are reliable and when they aren't?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Drudge has learned the page was over the age of 18 when the lewd IMs were written. I still think this stinks, the guy needed to go, but tell me, how is this worse than Bill Clinton, who actually had sex with a person serving under him?

Obvious its much worse because he sent simular messages to MANY pages, many while they were underage.

People keep saying this, but where is the evidence? I've only seen transcripts of a conversation between foley and the 18 year old.

Originally posted by: Aegeon
He also apparently plied pages with alchohol in order to make them more receptive to his advances.

Where is the evidence of this? I have seen no reports indicating Foley did this. I have seen no reports Foley made any "advances" in the flesh at all.

Originally posted by: Aegeon
According to other testimony by former pages, while they were still underage he sent sexually graphic messages to them, and Foley continued even once his moves were rejected.

Where is this testimony?

The 18 year old guy seemed to enjoy aspects of the conversation he had with Foley (based on the content of the messages). Therefore it was a conversation between an 18 year old adult and a 50-something year old adult. In that light, the conversation is no more "disgusting" or "abhorrent" than a "cyber-sex" conversation between a heterosexual couple.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
you right-wingers are so sad, your reaction to the Foley scandal is both predictable and pathetic. your no different than any of the other right-wing sheep out there, so don't think you are. your first reaction is to blame Democrats and try and make comparisons between Democrats involved in scandals.

I think the hypocrisy of liberals is astounding. It isn't as though they haven't been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. The selective moral outrage is pathetic.

the right-wing simply refuses to take any responsibility for their actions. the party of so called moral authority is morally bankrupt.

Please, tell me who is defending Foley? I'm not, and I haven't seen anyone try to.

Probably referring to ProfJohn, who I think is asking more questions than actually defending him, although I can see how at some times it would seem like he is defending him. How dare someone question a story like this, it should be believed one hundred percent without any investigation!

The kids are egging the congressman on.

Good clip, it shows the Republicans calling out the Dems on their hypocricy. That is NOT what this should be about, and I do not agree with them doing it.....But, they have a point. Are the Dems not being hypocritical about this whole thing?

The Democrats and Republicans are both being incredibly predictable, but thats no shock, what do you expect? If the tables were turned, the majority of people would be doing the exact same thing that they are accusing their political opponents of doing.

I also like the end when the MSNBC reporter makes a snide remark about a Fox News reporter saying "I hope this doesnt get political" when she is doing exactly that (along with everyone else under the sun).

The dems are being hypocritical? DId you read the thread Todd33 started, "When the House could clean itself"? Check this out:

Compare the current situation with the way Speaker Tip O'Neill and the House handled the last scandal involving sexual misconduct with pages, in the summer of 1982.

On "The CBS Evening News With Dan Rather" that June, two former pages, their teenage faces silhouetted to hide their identity, claimed they were victims of sexual abuse by members of Congress. One described homosexual advances by members; the other shocked the nation when he said he had engaged in homosexual relations with three members and procured prostitutes for others. The CBS broadcast sparked a wildfire of reports and rumors about sexual abuse of pages and drug use by members and pages.

Within a week the House had authorized its ethics committee to conduct a full investigation of allegations of "sexual misconduct, illicit drug distribution and use, and offers of preferential treatment in exchange for sexual favors or drugs by Members, officers or employees of the House." House Speaker O'Neill and Minority Leader Robert Michel asked me to be special counsel to the ethics committee, co-chaired by Ohio Democrat Lou Stokes and South Carolina Republican Floyd Spence. I was allowed to select my own staff and given a commitment that I could follow the evidence wherever it led, because, as O'Neill and Michel said, "The integrity of the House is at stake."
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We interviewed, under oath, some 2,000 past and present pages, adults who had supervised and taught them, congressional staffers, and House members. We issued scores of subpoenas.

We found no evidence of widespread sexual misconduct. We did find that Rep. Daniel Crane (R-Ill.) had had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old female page and that Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass.) had sexual relations with a 17-year-old male page and had made advances to other teenage male pages.

When I reported our findings to O'Neill and Michel, the dishonor that these members had brought on the House infuriated the two leaders. "Get it out," they said, "and let the committee recommend disciplinary action," which its four Democratic and four Republican members did, unanimously, in July 1983.

The course the House took in that scandal, and its reaction to the current one, show the difference between a leadership that saw a threat to the integrity of the House of Representatives and one that sees a threat to its continuing control of the institution.

When the House Could Clean Itself

The integrity of the House is at stake again, but the Republican controlled Congress couls care less and you've already watched all the finger pointing from the right wing mediaand whining about how "they did it too". Yes, they did and they also investigated it.

Hypocrisy INDEED!!

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Aegeon

Originally posted by: johnnobts
Drudge has learned the page was over the age of 18 when the lewd IMs were written. I still think this stinks, the guy needed to go, but tell me, how is this worse than Bill Clinton, who actually had sex with a person serving under him?

Obvious its much worse because he sent simular messages to MANY pages, many while they were underage.

People keep saying this, but where is the evidence? I've only seen transcripts of a conversation between foley and the 18 year old.

Originally posted by: Aegeon
He also apparently plied pages with alchohol in order to make them more receptive to his advances.

Where is the evidence of this? I have seen no reports indicating Foley did this. I have seen no reports Foley made any "advances" in the flesh at all.

Originally posted by: Aegeon
According to other testimony by former pages, while they were still underage he sent sexually graphic messages to them, and Foley continued even once his moves were rejected.

Where is this testimony?

The 18 year old guy seemed to enjoy aspects of the conversation he had with Foley (based on the content of the messages). Therefore it was a conversation between an 18 year old adult and a 50-something year old adult. In that light, the conversation is no more "disgusting" or "abhorrent" than a "cyber-sex" conversation between a heterosexual couple.

O Really???

What about the imbalance of power and authority in this relationship? This is a congressman, who has definate authority over pages, making what were apparently unwanted sexual innuendo and verbal (typed) advances. So it is not as innocuous as some heterosexual couple cybersexing.

Unless the end goal of some gay rights crusade is so chickenhawks can go after high school students they have authority over....

 

[ProfJohn]

More amazing BS behind this story, from a link on the Drudge page.

The e-mails from Foley to the 16 year old were posted on a site called "Stop Sex Predators" at 11:06 AM
Foley E-mails

All of 19!!!! minutes later a link to that blog shows up at dailykos
with the text

I have been reading with interest the various discussions with regard to Congressman Mark Foley. I am a White House Intern and have been in personal contact with Congressman Foley on numerous occasions.

Today I Googled Congressman Foley and came upon this website:

http://www.stopsexpredators.blogspot.com/

I was just shocked by what I found. I am especially upset by the dismissive attitudes I found on the web from those who know about Congressman Foley's bad behavior in Washington. I'm sure his conservative base in Florida would not approve of him sending these suggestive and leading emails to underage interns.

Congressman Mark Foley Emails to Intern
Go Google Mark Foley today and you will not see a link to this web site any where in the first 10 pages. Another web site says you won't see it in the first 20 pages!!! And yet amazingly 19 minutes after the story is posted this person went to "google" and found this magic web site!!!!!

The Bogus Blog Behind Foley's Fall