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ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran

Doesn't this sound so familiar? I wonder if Jundullah will be the next Al Qaeda? You know, biting the hand that feeds? Yet another proxy army in a long American tradition.

ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran

April 03, 2007 5:25 PM

Brian Ross and Christopher Isham Report:

A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.

The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.

It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.

U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require an official presidential order or "finding" as well as congressional oversight.

Tribal sources tell ABC News that money for Jundullah is funneled to its youthful leader, Abd el Malik Regi, through Iranian exiles who have connections with European and Gulf states.

Jundullah has produced its own videos showing Iranian soldiers and border guards it says it has captured and brought back to Pakistan.

The leader, Regi, claims to have personally executed some of the Iranians.

"He used to fight with the Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.

"Regi is essentially commanding a force of several hundred guerrilla fighters that stage attacks across the border into Iran on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping them, executing them on camera," Debat said.

Most recently, Jundullah took credit for an attack in February that killed at least 11 members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard riding on a bus in the Iranian city of Zahedan.

Last month, Iranian state television broadcast what it said were confessions by those responsible for the bus attack.

They reportedly admitted to being members of Jundullah and said they had been trained for the mission at a secret location in Pakistan.

The Iranian TV broadcast is interspersed with the logo of the CIA, which the broadcast blamed for the plot.

A CIA spokesperson said "the account of alleged CIA action is false" and reiterated that the U.S. provides no funding of the Jundullah group.

Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.

A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context.

Some former CIA officers say the arrangement is reminiscent of how the U.S. government used proxy armies, funded by other countries including Saudi Arabia, to destabilize the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s.

Oh and nice of Bush to do an end-run around Congress. :roll:
 
But it's only funding terrorism when other countries do it, not the US. Really the US is the largest state supporter of terrorism. Half the groups we hate got their first funding from us.
 
You mean the people Iran has accused the U.S of training and arming?

The same people who go around blowing themselves up?

Maybe Iran was right about the U.S helping them..
 
I'm not understanding the massive deal here...we don't fund these people, and we trade info with them...

...to me it sounds like Iranians outside of Iran fund these folks with money from Euro and Gulf States (as stated in the text you provided), and we get info we're looking for from them.

What's the issue, and why would we not capitalize on this, especially as Iran has been so gracious to help us out in Iraq by helping the insurgency...

Chuck
 
It's a shame we don't fight terrorism with terrorism x10 (for plausible deniability). I really like Travolta character idea in Swordfish.
 
Well---who are you going to believe-----GWB----the self proclaimed #1 counter terrorist in the entire world. And a Born Again Christian to boot.

Or ABC News?

Which one has a lying self-serving agenda when being exposed as liars carries journalistic or political risks? Which one has the worse track record of being exposed as liars and of doing very sloppy work in the past? And which one has Dick Cheney for a VP?---and maybe even more telling---which had the resources and the desire to reach the victims of Katrina first?

As they say---no news is good news.----maybe the Greeks had in right in deciding to kill the bearer of bad news----and ignorance is bliss.
 
Lemon law, what are you even talking about in your last post????

I went back and re-read the OP, and I am failing to see what this has to do with basically anything you just posted????

Chuck
 
Originally posted by: chucky2
Lemon law, what are you even talking about in your last post????

I went back and re-read the OP, and I am failing to see what this has to do with basically anything you just posted????

Chuck

Liberals are master's of non-sequitors.
 
Well chucky2 and JS80,

I am not surprised that you fail to see the problems that inevitably come when you start to believe that you have the moral superiority to decide some terrorists are freedom fighters and others are just terrorists to be exterminated like rats.

I just pray that the human race will rise above your kind of stinking thinking. If nothing else, the events of the last six years should be living proof that your mad emperor will lead you astray.

You can't see that you can't support terrorism and be against terrorist?
 
"He used to fight with the Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.

That description would pretty much cover the Al Qaeda leadership... right geographical location, too...

Couldn't be that whacked out sunni fundie murderers are really our friends, just so long as they're killing Iranians, or Russians, or anybody else we put the hit on... and that we fund such operations from clandestine sources, like the billions that somehow went missing in Iraq... Nobody in the Bush Admin would possibly have any experience at anything like that. Not with the mujahedin or the contras or the salvadoran or colombian paramilitaries...

None of the Bush fanbois will ever recognize, let alone *admit* that Al Qaeda is just rogue elements within a terrorist network created by the Reaganites in cooperation with the Saudi and Pakistani rightwings....

Doing the same things over and over again while expecting different results defines insanity, except in the realm of neocon policy- then it's "free, freedom and liberty!"...
 
Originally posted by: chucky2
I'm not understanding the massive deal here...we don't fund these people, and we trade info with them...

ok... so if a foreign country... let's say... syria (just picked it out of my hat) traded info with a terrorist group and gave them info on what UNITED STATES military officials they should kill... that'd be fine?
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well---who are you going to believe-----GWB----the self proclaimed #1 counter terrorist in the entire world. And a Born Again Christian to boot.

Self proclaimed? Really? And WTF does being a born again Christian have to do with anything related to the OT?

and maybe even more telling---which had the resources and the desire to reach the victims of Katrina first?

so Bush had no desire to help out the hurricane victims? He just heard about them and said "F'em, let them rot?"


 
Originally posted by: thujone
Originally posted by: chucky2
I'm not understanding the massive deal here...we don't fund these people, and we trade info with them...

ok... so if a foreign country... let's say... syria (just picked it out of my hat) traded info with a terrorist group and gave them info on what UNITED STATES military officials they should kill... that'd be fine?

who says that's what we're doing?

 
Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well---who are you going to believe-----GWB----the self proclaimed #1 counter terrorist in the entire world. And a Born Again Christian to boot.

Self proclaimed? Really? And WTF does being a born again Christian have to do with anything related to the OT?

and maybe even more telling---which had the resources and the desire to reach the victims of Katrina first?

so Bush had no desire to help out the hurricane victims? He just heard about them and said "F'em, let them rot?"

he did for at least a day or 2 since he refused to cut his vacation short... but... this is WAY OT...

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Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: thujone
Originally posted by: chucky2
I'm not understanding the massive deal here...we don't fund these people, and we trade info with them...

ok... so if a foreign country... let's say... syria (just picked it out of my hat) traded info with a terrorist group and gave them info on what UNITED STATES military officials they should kill... that'd be fine?

who says that's what we're doing?




A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.


to answer your question... US and pakistani intelligence via ABC News is who's saying that's what we're doing.

we're encouraging and advising them on acts of terrorism.
 
Originally posted by: thujone
A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.


we're encouraging and advising them on acts of terrorism.

Again, where does it say that? All we have is vague statements like the above from anonymous officials. We have no idea what they're being "encouraged and advised" about.
 
Originally posted by: chucky2
I'm not understanding the massive deal here...we don't fund these people, and we trade info with them...

...to me it sounds like Iranians outside of Iran fund these folks with money from Euro and Gulf States (as stated in the text you provided), and we get info we're looking for from them.

What's the issue, and why would we not capitalize on this, especially as Iran has been so gracious to help us out in Iraq by helping the insurgency...

Chuck

Just don't complain when they (either Iran or this new proxy army) attack the U.S. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well chucky2 and JS80,

I am not surprised that you fail to see the problems that inevitably come when you start to believe that you have the moral superiority to decide some terrorists are freedom fighters and others are just terrorists to be exterminated like rats.

I just pray that the human race will rise above your kind of stinking thinking. If nothing else, the events of the last six years should be living proof that your mad emperor will lead you astray.

You can't see that you can't support terrorism and be against terrorist?

No, their one dimensional minds will not allow them to see.
 
Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: thujone
A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.


we're encouraging and advising them on acts of terrorism.

Again, where does it say that? All we have is vague statements like the above from anonymous officials. We have no idea what they're being "encouraged and advised" about.

What do you think they're doing, playing tidily-winks, wise guy? Try to grasp the story here instead of attacking others. Don't be obtuse. What exactly do you think terrorists do? Since we're advising and aiding them, what do you think we're advising them at? Wake the hell up.
 
Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: thujone
A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.


we're encouraging and advising them on acts of terrorism.

Again, where does it say that? All we have is vague statements like the above from anonymous officials. We have no idea what they're being "encouraged and advised" about.

ok... i shouldn't have jumped to the acts of terrorism claim. you got me on that. from what the article says they're only attacking iranian military officials.

but ok... can you seriously say that a group who is primarily involved in attacking military officials are being advised and encouraged to... say... practice safe banking?
 
Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
Originally posted by: wetech
Originally posted by: thujone
A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.


we're encouraging and advising them on acts of terrorism.

Again, where does it say that? All we have is vague statements like the above from anonymous officials. We have no idea what they're being "encouraged and advised" about.

What do you think they're doing, playing tidily-winks, wise guy? Try to grasp the story here instead of attacking others. Don't be obtuse. What exactly do you think terrorists do? Since we're advising and aiding them, what do you think we're advising them at? Wake the hell up.

I'm not attacking others "wise guy". I'm saying we have no idea what's being discussed, or if this is even true.

The article also quotes:
A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context.

So once again, I'm saying that we don't know what's going on here, but people sure do like to assume the worst.
 
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