Abbas calls for international community to set up new peace talks.

[Lemon law]

Today, Mr. Abbas, the basic Palestinian leader of the West Bank appealed to the international community to set up new peace talks without specifying what the new framework would be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/01/world/middleeast/01briefs-JERUSALEM.html?ref=middleeas

But still, its somewhat clear that Abbas has zero remaining faith in the Obama plan. And I now wonder if the USA has lost all future Arab and Palestinian credibility in the mid-east.

While I hope this thread does not degenerate into exaggerated claims by various sides, the big remaining question is will the international community respond positively to the Abbas plea.

And if some entity other than the USA brokers such future peace talks, that entity is far less likely offer big carrots to Israel and is far more likely to use bigger and bigger sticks instead. And its very possible a big push will be on for UN unilateral recognition of a Palestinian State.

 

[JEDIYoda]

that entity is far less likely offer big carrots to Israel and is far more likely to use bigger and bigger sticks instead.

quijt dreaming.....there isanobody who cares and nobody who will militarily be foolish enough to try!!

 

[Lemon law]

JediY, why do think any use of sticks against Israel is going to take a military form? When its likely going to take the form of international economic embargoes, freedom flotillas, and the end of Israeli blockades.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Why do the Palestinians feel that they need the international community to start talks?

If they desire to have talks with Israel, why not just "walk across the street"?
They walked away, they should know how to get back :\

 

[EagleKeeper]

JediY, why do think any use of sticks against Israel is going to take a military form? When its likely going to take the form of international economic embargoes, freedom flotillas, and the end of Israeli blockades.

This refrain is continually recycled by you.

Please show where in the international community is there an talk of such?

 

[SamurAchzar]

This refrain is continually recycled by you.

Please show where in the international community is there an talk of such?

Not only that, but Israel was admitted to OECD over the last year, and the Israeli economy is faring spectacularly.

I personally predict that just like Israelis wanted peace but then got sick and tired of the Palestinians and their unreasonable demands, so will the world, in light of ongoing economic crisis and uprising of militant Islam.

 

[Lemon law]

This refrain is continually recycled by you.

Please show where in the international community is there an talk of such?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe exactly the question I asked by posting this thread, the USA has been brokering such talks since the time of Carter or earlier, and perhaps because the USA is far too pro-Israeli, nothing has been accomplished in all that time.

But now the question is, will some other international entity take up the Abbas challenge or not? Here we are a whole two days later, and IMHO we just don't know yet.

Only Time will tell.

 

[EagleKeeper]

This refrain is continually recycled by you.

Please show where in the international community is there an talk of such?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe exactly the question I asked by posting this thread, the USA has been brokering such talks since the time of Carter or earlier, and perhaps because the USA is far too pro-Israeli, nothing has been accomplished in all that time.

But now the question is, will some other international entity take up the Abbas challenge or not? Here we are a whole two days later, and IMHO we just don't know yet.

Only Time will tell.

Please explain why the interantional commnity has to babysit such talks?

Why can not the Palestinians talk directly with Israel instead of playing the little spoiled child that needs their hand held?

Could it the fact that the Arab League does not want the Palestinians to be thinking/negotiating on their own. The Palstinians are not prepared/matured enough for such after 60 years?

 

[SamurAchzar]

In addition to the above, I must say that for such "poor people" they have extremely high and uncompromising demands. Maybe it's convenient being the eternal refugees.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Yes, I think the Chinese should steep up and implement a peace plan in the middle east. They would be a good uninterested third party

 

[guyver01]

Abba?

 

[cubby1223]

I think Lemon Law should personally take up Abbas' challenge Go over and directly involve yourself in the diplomatic situation, instead of just writing on AT P&N.

 

[cubby1223]

If Abbas is looking for peace - seriously, the Palestinians need to man up and put themselves on a path to peace. They need to *prove* to the world they are not a threat to the Jewish people. Without that, there will be no progress by any international community.

And, really, why is there such faith in th UN all of a sudden? And Lemon Law, you're already declaring your view as the only rational and possible solution, doesn't sound like a platform for talks and compromises to me. Sounds more like you're hoping for a foreign country to be a military force to beat down Israel.

 

[cubby1223]

JediY, why do think any use of sticks against Israel is going to take a military form? When its likely going to take the form of international economic embargoes, freedom flotillas, and the end of Israeli blockades.

I'm sorry but I just have to laugh at this

 

[Freshgeardude]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe exactly the question I asked by posting this thread, the USA has been brokering such talks since the time of Carter or earlier, and perhaps because the USA is far too pro-Israeli, nothing has been accomplished in all that time.

But now the question is, will some other international entity take up the Abbas challenge or not? Here we are a whole two days later, and IMHO we just don't know yet.

Only Time will tell.

you litterally wrote nothing in that entire post.

you didnt answer the question. where is the proof?


there is none. there is no embargos coming to israel. no ending of the blockade, and no flotilla that will be able to compete with israeli war ships.


stop smoking that crack and come back to reality.

 

[William Gaatjes]

you litterally wrote nothing in that entire post.

you didnt answer the question. where is the proof?


there is none. there is no embargos coming to israel. no ending of the blockade, and no flotilla that will be able to compete with israeli war ships.


stop smoking that crack and come back to reality.

Do not worry Lemon Law, for the burden of idiots who worship and sacrifice live also in Israel. Also in Israel the burden of religious fundamentalists becomes an increased burden on the economy. While hard working wonderful peaceful Jewish people create prosperity it will always be the fundamental idiots that will cause the destruction of prosperity. Because only those fundamentals can shine as they thrive on despair fear, totally abusing the tool religion no matter what religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

One of the biggest challenges facing the future of the Israeli economy is the growing number of Ultra-Orthodox Jews who prohibit non-religious education, particularly for boys, and there is a low level of official labor force participation amongst men.[12] The governor of the Bank of Israel, Stanley Fischer, stated that the growing poverty amongst the Ultra-Orthodox is hurting the Israeli economy.[13]

http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...el-s-economy-1.303343?localLinksEnabled=false

The rate of growth among the ultra-Orthodox, in which a majority of men don't work, is an economic problem, Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer said earlier this week.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/10/world/la-fg-israel-idle-20100511

Welfare system could cause Israel to collapse, economist warns
Nearly one in five Israeli men between the ages of 35 and 54 do not work, including Arabs and ultra-Orthodox Jews, says Dan Ben-David. As their numbers rise, so does the economic peril, he says.

Nearly 27% of Arab men and 65% of ultra-Orthodox Jews don't work, government figures show. The non-employment rate for ultra-Orthodox men has tripled since 1970, Ben-David said.

Nearly 27% of Arab men and 65% of ultra-Orthodox Jews don't work, government figures show. The non-employment rate for ultra-Orthodox men has tripled since 1970, Ben-David said.

"We support a lifestyle of nonworking that is pretty unparalleled in the Western world," said Ben-David, who is also a Tel Aviv University professor. "On the one hand, we have this state-of-the-art part of the economy. Then there is the rest of the country that is like a huge drag."

What worries Ben-David most is that the nonproductive part of Israel's population, which survives largely on welfare, is also the fastest growing.

Over the last 30 years, the percentage of working ultra-Orthodox men has decreased because of government programs that subsidize their religious study, experts say.

Such programs are now facing a backlash from Israel's secular and non-Orthodox citizens. A radio talk-show host recently described ultra-Orthodox Jews as "parasites." Tel Aviv's mayor said the fast-growing ultra-Orthodox community was "endangering" the economic strength of the "silent majority."

But defenders of the ultra-Orthodox credit them with preserving Israel's Jewish identity, saying that without the high birth rates of ultra-Orthodox families, Israel could see an Arab majority in future generations.

Everywhere i look i find the same.
It is becoming predictable.

EDIT:

Is it wrong to state that a part of the US financial aid to Israel is going to welfare for orthodox jews who do not want to work ?