ABBA members infiltrate a Jewish settlement, butcher family, babies

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Sephire

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Has anybody proved it was Palestinians, have they claimed responsibility? Sorry if I'm not up to date... But past history with Israel doing land grabs, and now they are grabbing more land because of this atrocity, I am finding the entire situation a bit fishy.
 

Lemon law

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No one is arguing that the brutal murder of that family was not a vicious and horrendous crime, the problem is, we don't know if Psychotic Israelis or psychotic Palestinians done it.

Waving the bloody shirt stirs passions, but it does zero to prove who done it.

And when it comes to Psychotics, we get a hot bed concentration of them in Israeli settler parties. It could be a warning to fellow settler party members of what happens if
someone turns them into to Israeli authorities regarding their illegal activities. And for that matter Israel killed far far far far more innocent children in their rapes of Lebanon and Gaza.

Or we could talk about Rachel Corrie, in Israel, no mercy is shown to peaceful demonstrators.

As far as the religion of peace, its certainly not Judaism, its certainly not Christianity, and its certainly is not Islam. The history of all those religions are written in blood.
 

Sephire

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Israel needs to publish those past massacres and deaths from the hands of the Palestinian terrorrists (past 20 years).

That policy needs to end. They are getting hammered in the propaganda wars.

To SandEagle do you have one not from WW2 Nazi pictures?
 

Sephire

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Geez, seeing those pictures made me die inside. If one side is able to do that in the name of land and religion, then the only peace available is when one side is wiped out completely.

And as expected Al Jazeera made no mention of the massacre. Or barely getting any traction (in comparison to the other side) from more popular mainstream news outlet.

Israel needs to step up. Pictures and video is a very powerful tool. Enough of that "We are better than them" mind of thinking.
 

Craig234

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Sorry rachel corrie was drugged and forced in front of a bulldozer by palestinians who wanted to create a martyre ok?

Just goes along with your warped thinking.

Truth is corrie was a tool. http://motherjones.com/politics/2003/09/death-rachel-corrie
an idiot really, naive westerner used as a tool by palestinians, so don't bring her up.
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Drugged? Dragged? I didn't see that.

But it's possible the driver did not see her. It's possible he wasn't too careful.

From your link:

In rapid succession, Israeli troops shot three more foreign civilians working in the West Bank and Gaza. On April 5, Brian Avery, a 24-year-old American ISM volunteer in Jenin, was shot in the face by an Israeli sniper and seriously wounded. Six days later, a bullet fired by an Israeli soldier in a Rafah watchtower tore through the back of 21-year-old Tom Hurndall's skull as the ISM volunteer stooped to carry two Palestinian girls to safety. Hurndall now lies comatose in a British hospital. On May 2, James Miller, a 35-year-old Briton filming an hbo documentary along the Egyptian border, was shot in the neck and killed while walking under a white flag toward an Israeli apc.

One of those:

Hurndall was hit in the forehead by a high-velocity bullet fired by an Israeli soldier as he worked as a peace activist in the Gaza Strip 20 months ago. The bullet entered cleanly enough, but then splintered into hundreds of tiny pieces. Hurndall never regained consciousness, dying nine months later and 2,200 miles away in a London hospital. ..

It is a concern that has refused to fade away. An Observer investigation into the shooting has uncovered allegations of missing evidence, fabricated testimony and a military cover-up.

Disquiet is mounting among British government officials whose repeated requests for evidence that could determine if Hurndall was shot deliberately have been rejected. The missing documents, understood to include an Israeli military police inquiry, could mean a manslaughter charge for the man who shot Hurndall being upgraded to murder.

In addition, the North London coroner, Dr Andrew Reid, whose inquest into Hurndall's death has been adjourned until the trial is over, has said he is 'outraged' that an agreement to share vital evidence with Israeli authorities was broken...

Last Friday, however, the nine-month trial took another twist, with the events of 11 April 2003, now threatening to suck in the entire chain of command of the Israeli Defence Force, as well as provoking new questions over their handling of the intifada.

Senior officers, including the brigadier in command of the southern region of the Gaza Strip, are now preparing to face three weeks' cross-examination. Sergeant Wahid Taysir, the sniper who killed Hurndall, has already said a policy of shooting at unarmed civilians existed at the time...

As Hurndall wandered among the ruins of Rafah on the day he died, foremost on his mind was Rachel Corrie, a 23-year-old American activist who had been crushed to death by an Israeli armoured bulldozer a month earlier. He wanted to photograph the bulldozer, which had returned for the first time since her death.

The young photographer had joined a group of peace volunteers known as the International Solidarity Movement. Just after 5pm, gunfire from a military watchtower 60 metres away raked over an exposed patch of land near the border. A group of children playing on a mound of earth froze in terror.

Days earlier, Hurndall had seen a youngster shot. Fearing the worse, he ran through the line of fire and dragged Salem Baroum to safety. Then he went back for two girls. Witnesses recall a single crack of gunfire, then saw him stagger and fall. Hurndall then slipped into the coma in which he would remain until January 2004.

In his original testimony, Taysir claimed he had shot at a man in military fatigues who was firing at the soldiers with a pistol, in the no-go security zone. Later evidence, however, challenged his version. Photos clearly show Hurndall wearing a bright orange jacket denoting he was a foreigner; the graffiti that can be seen behind him is 100m from the secure zone.

Hurndall's death has also raised the issue of whether young and stressed men should even be on the front line. Taysir is even younger than Hurndall and has admitted to being highly stressed as he patrolled a region suspected of harbouring Pales tinian terrorists.

Taysir was an award-winning marksman and his rifle had a telescopic sight. He claimed to have aimed four inches from Hurndall's head, 'but he moved'.

Another Israeli solder has already been jailed after he admitted lying to investigators. Yet it is the missing evidence that continues to frustrate those attempting to piece together the events that led to Hurndall's death. So far, only a 20-page report by the IDF has been released, of which there are only four cursory references to Hurndall. Attempts by the Foreign Office to secure the potentially vital documents have failed.

Last week saw fresh allegations of obstruction, denied by the Israeli authorities, after the Hurndalls' lawyer, Avigdor Fernland, said his permit allowing him access to IDF evidence had been revoked.

Those who have studied the Hurndall case are aware that the trial only ever came about because of an investigation by Hurndall's father, Anthony, who left his job as a City lawyer to interview 13 witnesses. Their evidence formed the main tranche of a 50-page report challenging the Israeli version of events.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jan/30/israel

Note the Israeli response was to do nothing to the shooter, and the IDF had a 'free fire on unarmed civilians without reprisal' policy there; it was the father collecting evidence and a British push for prosecution, with evidence withheld by Israel, that led to the prosecution of the shooter who was convicted of manslaughter and lying.

He'll serve 6.5 years.

This was reportedly the first IDF person convicted after thousands of people killed in the conflict.
 
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Honestly, when sectarian violence becomes the main focus of your country (or countries), just GTFO. I know it's not easy to just pick up and leave for some people, but come on. Just leave and let the religious idiots kill each other.
 

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Drugged? Dragged? I didn't see that.

But it's possible the driver did not see her. It's possible he wasn't too careful.

From your link:



One of those:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jan/30/israel

Note the Israeli response was to do nothing to the shooter, and the IDF had a 'free fire on unarmed civilians without reprisal' policy there; it was the father collecting evidence and a British push for prosecution, with evidence withheld by Israel, that led to the prosecution of the shooter who was convicted of manslaughter and lying, he'll serve 6.5 years.

I bet your supported that idiot who stood in front of the bulldozer and *gasp* got bulldozed.
 

SandEagle

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And as expected Al Jazeera made no mention of the massacre. Or barely getting any traction (in comparison to the other side) from more popular mainstream news outlet.

Israel needs to step up. Pictures and video is a very powerful tool. Enough of that "We are better than them" mind of thinking.

gee, no mention either of the massacres in Sabra and Shatila in the last 20+ years from more popular mainstream news outlets
 

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A number of news Web sites that are affiliated with the Palestinian Authority claimed on Monday that the Itamar killings were committed by a foreign worker who was employed in the settlement.

Thai worker behind the killings?

See what I mean?
 

SamurAchzar

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No one is arguing that the brutal murder of that family was not a vicious and horrendous crime, the problem is, we don't know if Psychotic Israelis or psychotic Palestinians done it.

No, LL, it's not we who don't know who did it, it's you. And as I generously offered prior, I'll happily bet you - or anyone - on the true identities of the perpetrators. You seem to avoid my offer, which makes me believe you too are aware of the nearly infinite likelihood a Palestinian did this.

How low can you go? When the Palestinian violence gets too difficult even for you to stomach - despite being aimed at Jews, which is not all that bad right? - you claim its the Israelis themselves who did this. Really.

Your mother must be proud.
 

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A number of news Web sites that are affiliated with the Palestinian Authority claimed on Monday that the Itamar killings were committed by a foreign worker who was employed in the settlement.

Thai worker behind the killings?

See what I mean?


of course. the PA is a joke.

they could have a full confession on tape and ready to hand over the criminal but they would point the finger elsewhere.
 

SamurAchzar

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Has anybody proved it was Palestinians, have they claimed responsibility? Sorry if I'm not up to date... But past history with Israel doing land grabs, and now they are grabbing more land because of this atrocity, I am finding the entire situation a bit fishy.

Thank you for allowing us a peek into the world of an idiot.