ABBA members infiltrate a Jewish settlement, butcher family, babies

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SamurAchzar

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Does that have anything to do with this indescriminate loss of life?

NO!! Those Palestinians you refer to were not targeted by the IDF or any other group they were involved in a war which hamas started knowing full well the people that hamas govern would get killed!!

Well maybe that Palestinian terrorist that went in the house looked for adults but only found two so he went after the children. This might be what the Hamas choir mean in "collateral damage"
 

Freshgeardude

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That's their decision, just like putting those kids in harms way was.


you can look at it any way you want.


when israel outstretched its arm to the palestinians, they got nothing. why should they stop settling on land it believes it owns?


who has claimed the land since 1967?


with the jordanian peace treaty, jordan gave up all claims to the land.


who owns it then?


the one occupying the land? or do they allow what happened with Chechnya and russia and allow to be bullied into a separation?

was there worldwide condemnation on russia that actually affected anything?

absolutely not, but when it comes to the jews and the arabs with oil,

oil politics always wins.



hey by the way,

arabs_vs_israel.jpg


the arabs totally need that land. totally it changes everything.
 

senseamp

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Do you want to give US citizenship to the Palestinians and have them move to the US, or you are just offering them other countries' land?
 

chucky2

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It's after The Rest Of The World didn't take into account that the people now called the "Palestinians" didn't want a bunch of F'ing Jews (more than there already were) living where they were kicked out of 1000 years or however the F long it was before; and the Jews going to their "Promised Land" didn't give a F either, they were getting out of where they were at, getting their Promised Land, and when it came down to it, if some others blood/dirty game would have to be played for them to get theirs, so be it.

The Rest Of The World and the Jews created this problem, and they've been letting it grow, fester, and mount for 60 years now doing little to really make it stop.

That these people never should have been there, Period, doesn't make getting their baby butchered OK, but it d@mn sure makes them responsible.

Chuck
 

davmat787

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So whats the solution to this problem? Seriously, what would you guys think are some practical and realistic solutions that might have a chance of working, or at least gain consideration from the Israeli's and Palestinians?

If recent history can't even be agreed upon, what hope is there for the future? This issue always comes down to "Israeli's did this 20 years ago, so that justifies us" or vice versa.

Is there hope? Very interested in reading both sides solutions, but you have to keep in mind that it would have to be something the other side would at least consider. Is there any common ground as a starting point?
 

chucky2

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Does that have anything to do with this indescriminate loss of life?

It has as much to do with this loss of life as posting the pics to stir sympathy does: Nothing.

NO!! Those Palestinians you refer to were not targeted by the IDF or any other group they were involved in a war which hamas started knowing full well the people that hamas govern would get killed!!

A innocent Palestinian sitting in his home that gets destroyed, along with his kids arms blown off their body, their intestines making really "neat" patterns on the rubble left standing, is not Hamas, he's himself and his family, living the only place they can be expected to live. Hamas is indeed responsible for setting up a mortar on his roof, just like these F'ing idiot Israeli's were for settling where they shouldn't be settling, and the Israeli's firing on that building and killing innocent people in it are responsible just like the Palestinians who wacked this Israeli family.

The difference is, the Palestinian and his family really have no other realistic place to go, Hamas/WhoeverTF is going to setup where they want to setup. This Israeli family (and all the others just like them) do have another place to go, and that's somewhere else that's not in disputed territory.

Sorry, 404 Little Sympathy For Land Grabbers Found; the parents that is, obviously the innocent kids don't have a choice.

Chuck
 

chucky2

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So whats the solution to this problem? Seriously, what would you guys think are some practical and realistic solutions that might have a chance of working, or at least gain consideration from the Israeli's and Palestinians?

If recent history can't even be agreed upon, what hope is there for the future? This issue always comes down to "Israeli's did this 20 years ago, so that justifies us" or vice versa.

Is there hope? Very interested in reading both sides solutions, but you have to keep in mind that it would have to be something the other side would at least consider. Is there any common ground as a starting point?

IMO:

'67 borders. Armistance between Israel and the new State of Palestine. When the recognized state of Palestine allows something to hit Israel, hostilities re-commence and Israel has full justification for leveling all of Palestine, taking their land, kicking their people out, etc. etc. no holds barred.

So it's then up to the Palestinians, who now have all the land from the '67 borders, to make F'ing A Well Sure that they elect a government that's going to reign their crazies in, because, if they don't, they'll become extinct.

Chuck
 

CitizenKain

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the arabs totally need that land. totally it changes everything.

My god are you stupid. Truly, truly stupid. Are you and jediyoda in some sort of contest to see who can have the hardest to read and nonsensical posts?

Well maybe that Palestinian terrorist that went in the house looked for adults but only found two so he went after the children. This might be what the Hamas choir mean in "collateral damage"

If so they've been learning for the Israeli military then.
 

JEDIYoda

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My god are you stupid. Truly, truly stupid. Are you and jediyoda in some sort of contest to see who can have the hardest to read and nonsensical posts?

So who woke up the village idiot to comment on a subject he/she or it has no knowledge of.....crawl back under your rock please!!
 

JEDIYoda

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sorry the elected government of the "Palestinians" purposely put their people in harms way knowing full well you do not wage a war using innocent civillains homes and property to attack your enemy!!
 

EagleKeeper

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israel stopped settlements for 10 months to have a peace deal on the table.


where were the palestinians?


why should israel stop now?

That's their decision, just like putting those kids in harms way was.

The Palestinians/Lebonese also put thereselves in harms way when they allowed the fighters to setup around their homes and hospitals.

When one enters/stays in a combat zone, incidents occur that do not seem fair, but are based on ones choices. 20/20 hindsight is valuable especially for PR purposes.
 

EagleKeeper

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One could draw the line between Israel and Palestine anywhere.

From the Israeli viewpoint, there would be a lot of grumbling; but if it would guarantee peace, it could be absorbed. This was demonstrated with the Gaza pullout.

From the Palestinian viewpoint; you still have two main groups; one does not recognize Israel in any way; the second does not have the political power to sign off on any agreement.

From the Arab viewpoint; they will provide lip service to Israel existing; however, they provide support to Hamas and Hezbollah to destroy Israel.

Having a Palestinian state that can not be controlled is the worst thing that the Palestinians can do. They will take control of their destiny and have to accept the consequences of actions from within their state boundaries. Hamas tried and failed in this regard; should such happen again with official states; the Palestinians would have no second chance. Israel would not tolerate an interruption of hostilities AGAIN; but clean house of the militant rats in both areas.
 
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Macamus Prime

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In America, when someone sets foot on your land, you should have the right to shoot them,... and even when you are taking their land, like when we 1st created this nation.

Anyone else that tries to reclaim what was taken from them is a terrorist.

Also, Israel has killed many Palestinian children. How and why are their murders less of an issue?
 
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Sephire

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Israel still has the policy of not publishing the "death" photos unlike the Arab media.
 

Lemon law

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Israel became the land grubbing thieves they are still because they were out of control in 1948.

Yet Common Courtesy demands the Palestinians perfectly controls themselves.

The fact is and remains, there are more out of control Israeli settler party idiots than there are out of control Palestinians.

Its in the news all the time, some olive grove belonging to some Palestinians bull dozed to the ground, Palestinians murdered, or IDF soldiers breaking into Palestinian homes and shooting sleeping men and children. Many of the settlements in Israel were built without Israeli permits, many were ordered evacuated by Israeli courts, but no one bothers to enforce the law in Israel to benefit Palestinians.

Yet let an Israeli stub his toe, and the Israels scream bloody murder and then engage in taking disproportionate revenge on the basis of illegal if one Palestinian did it, all conspired in the act. Which is as valid as saying that all of Arizona should be punished because one crazed idiot shot congresswoman Giffort.

Yet let an Israeli get caught doing the same, and its a rare isolated incident not common to the Israeli character.

And come to think of it, has anyone bothered with the police work needed to even tell if an Israeli or Palestinian murdered these children?

But Common Courtesy, your argument is bogus, because Israel is far more out of control than Palestinians.
 

ThePresence

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Israel became the land grubbing thieves they are still because they were out of control in 1948.

Yet Common Courtesy demands the Palestinians perfectly controls themselves.

So not slashing the throats of sleeping newborn infants is an example of perfectly controlling themselves? I see.

The fact is and remains, there are more out of control Israeli settler party idiots than there are out of control Palestinians.

Completely bogus BS. You know not of what you speak. Seriously, why not just sit down and keep quiet. You don't have the foggiest clue of what goes on there.

Its in the news all the time

And this is where you get your info from. OMG it's in the news.

some olive grove belonging to some Palestinians bull dozed to the ground, Palestinians murdered, or IDF soldiers breaking into Palestinian homes and shooting sleeping men and children.

Pure BS. Total, unadulterated BS. Soldiers do not burst into homes to murder sleeping infants. Your efforts in trying to draw some kind of parallel is sick.

Many of the settlements in Israel were built without Israeli permits, many were ordered evacuated by Israeli courts, but no one bothers to enforce the law in Israel to benefit Palestinians.

Again, BS. They are routinely destroyed by the IDF. I'm sorry your 'news' sources don't inform you of this.

Yet let an Israeli stub his toe

That's what this is to you? Interesting.

and the Israels scream bloody murder

Because that's precisely what this is...

and then engage in taking disproportionate revenge on the basis of illegal if one Palestinian did it, all conspired in the act. Which is as valid as saying that all of Arizona should be punished because one crazed idiot shot congresswoman Giffort.

Except that the Arizonian schools and culture are not actively promoting and honoring Gifford killers.

Yet let an Israeli get caught doing the same, and its a rare isolated incident not common to the Israeli character.

Correct.

And come to think of it, has anyone bothered with the police work needed to even tell if an Israeli or Palestinian murdered these children?

LOL.
 

EagleKeeper

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Do the Palestinians want peace or do they want the illusion that Israel is stopping them from peace.

Israel does not make a habit of going and attacking civilians for the sake of terror.

They attack Palestinians or those that are aiding/abetting against Israel.
Children are collateral damage that is tried to be avoided. For those that support the Palestinians; the reverse is not true.