AAC pwns MP3

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: LASTGUY2GETPS2
OGG > *

is use retardeds?

FLAC > *

MIKE

Apples and Oranges, folks. FLAC is a truly awesome lossless codec, but Ogg Vorbis isn't lossless and wasn't developed to be lossless.

As far as the quality:bitrate ratio goes, it's hard to say. AAC and Ogg Vorbis are relatively close, as are Musepack, APE, and a handful of others. But for me, Vorbis wins since it's a) freeware and b) is widely supported by players, video file wrappers, etc. AAC only has b, the rest only have a at this point.

So yeah, go Ogg Vorbis. For now anyway.

Agreed except for one point - aac isn't widely supported by players; only one brand of DAP plays it, and only one software player, afaik, natively supports it.

 

[daniel1113]

FLAC > EAC + LAME > *

Nothing like VBR mp3's for overall quality, portability, usability, and compatibility.

 

[NoToRiOuS1]

both you guys have vaild points

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
FLAC > EAC + LAME > *
Nothing like VBR mp3's for overall quality, portability, usability, and compatibility.

Depends on priorities, while mp3 enjoys wider support, ogg enjoys quite a bit as well and is growing in popularity. It sounds better, but I've read decoding it is more cpu-intensive than mp3 (ie uses more battery power in DAPs). Personally, I'll side with quality at the same bitrate vs. other niceties, so ogg's the choice for me.

 

[BillyBatson]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
FLAC > EAC + LAME > *

Nothing like VBR mp3's for overall quality, portability, usability, and compatibility.

*edit* i agree with the above hehe

and so to all our understanding you didn't re-rip your cd's to AAC you converted MP3z to AACz? wow talk about more quality loss right there. next you are going to tell us how you convert 96kbps mp3z to wav and back to mp3 at 320kbps and can hear the difference

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: BillyBatson

Originally posted by: daniel1113
FLAC > EAC + LAME > *

Nothing like VBR mp3's for overall quality, portability, usability, and compatibility.

and so to all our understanding you didn't re-rip your cd's to AAC you converted MP3z to AACz? wow talk about more quality loss right there. next you are going to tell us how you convert 96kbps mp3z to wav and back to mp3 at 320kbps and can hear the difference

WTF are you talking about?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Depends on priorities, while mp3 enjoys wider support, ogg enjoys quite a bit as well and is growing in popularity. It sounds better, but I've read decoding it is more cpu-intensive than mp3 (ie uses more battery power in DAPs). Personally, I'll side with quality at the same bitrate vs. other niceties, so ogg's the choice for me.

Ogg is getting there, that's for sure.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Apples and Oranges, folks. FLAC is a truly awesome lossless codec, but Ogg Vorbis isn't lossless and wasn't developed to be lossless.

As far as the quality:bitrate ratio goes, it's hard to say. AAC and Ogg Vorbis are relatively close, as are Musepack, APE, and a handful of others. But for me, Vorbis wins since it's a) freeware and b) is widely supported by players, video file wrappers, etc. AAC only has b, the rest only have a at this point.

So yeah, go Ogg Vorbis. For now anyway.

Agreed except for one point - aac isn't widely supported by players; only one brand of DAP plays it, and only one software player, afaik, natively supports it.

Erm, sorry, I meant software players, not hardware players. And if I remember correctly, the iRiver is the only DAP that handles Ogg Vorbis, so I think they're even in that regard. (Or did I miss one?) As far as software players go, Media Player Classic and BSPlayer support AAC out-of-the-box, as does Winamp 5. File wrappers are where AAC and Ogg Vorbis shine. You'll be hard-pressed to find any wrapper (mkv, avi, ogm, etc.) that supports Musepack, APE, etc.

So... yeah. End rambling.

 

[BillyBatson]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: BillyBatson

Originally posted by: daniel1113
FLAC > EAC + LAME > *

Nothing like VBR mp3's for overall quality, portability, usability, and compatibility.

*edit* i agree with the above hehe

and so to all our understanding you didn't re-rip your cd's to AAC you converted MP3z to AACz? wow talk about more quality loss right there. next you are going to tell us how you convert 96kbps mp3z to wav and back to mp3 at 320kbps and can hear the difference

WTF are you talking about?

hehe i apologize daniel, i meant to agree with you, the rest is for OP

 

[daniel1113]

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Apples and Oranges, folks. FLAC is a truly awesome lossless codec, but Ogg Vorbis isn't lossless and wasn't developed to be lossless.

As far as the quality:bitrate ratio goes, it's hard to say. AAC and Ogg Vorbis are relatively close, as are Musepack, APE, and a handful of others. But for me, Vorbis wins since it's a) freeware and b) is widely supported by players, video file wrappers, etc. AAC only has b, the rest only have a at this point.

So yeah, go Ogg Vorbis. For now anyway.

Agreed except for one point - aac isn't widely supported by players; only one brand of DAP plays it, and only one software player, afaik, natively supports it.

Erm, sorry, I meant software players, not hardware players. And if I remember correctly, the iRiver is the only DAP that handles Ogg Vorbis, so I think they're even in that regard. (Or did I miss one?) As far as software players go, Media Player Classic and BSPlayer support AAC out-of-the-box, as does Winamp 5. File wrappers are where AAC and Ogg Vorbis shine. You'll be hard-pressed to find any wrapper (mkv, avi, ogm, etc.) that supports Musepack, APE, etc.

So... yeah. End rambling.

Iriver and Jetaudio (aka iaudio) are two major manufacturers whose players support ogg. Neuros does as well, though they're a smaller name. Just off the top of my head. Iirc Creative, Rio and Archos are still slacking in this area.

 

[Dubb]

uh, rio supports ogg, IIRC the karma was one of the first to do so.

my GF just got a tiny little samsung flash player. even it supports ogg.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Dubb
uh, rio supports ogg, IIRC the karma was one of the first to do so.

my GF just got a tiny little samsung flash player. even it supports ogg.

Good call on Samsung, their player looks pretty slick and could become a contender. I wasn't sure about Rio, though it'd make sense if they do, as their focus is sound quality.