A64:Ram:FSB Ratios...

Appledrop

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hi, as i get my other stick of 512 corsair valsel tomorrow, i am going to be using dual channel in my a8v.I want to oc my 3200+ to as high as i can, stabley. I will obviously have to use ram : fsb dividers, so i am wondering, other than the memory bandwidth lowered, does not running synced on a64 have a negative effect on performance? I am thinking that the ram bandwidth will not be noticed at all, since i will be running dual channel, which will give more than enough.

anyone know? thanks
 

FinalFantasy

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Edit: NVM, I didn't fully read the question.

BTW...there was an article on latency/bandwith penalties (since you'll most likely have to change em when OC'ing) when jumping from CAS2.0 to CAS2.5 or 2.0-2-2-5 to 2.5-3-3-7 I think it was?!?! Looks with latency issues are pretty negligible (sp?).

http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=333

 

JBT

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Originally posted by: FinalFantasy
There was an article on something similar to this. I didn't read the whole thing, but here it is:

http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=333

Hope that answers your question.

Thats latecies not ratio's.

Azzy I belive there is a little bit of a performance penalty from running async but I belive the highier CPU speed more than makes up for the drop in bandwidth. Many people run A64's async and have no problems. With the AXP's it was a very bad idea to run async with the A64's its really not a issue.
 

WebDude

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Originally posted by: Azzy64
..... does not running synced on a64 have a negative effect on performance? .......
Traditionally, a Northbridge exists between the memory bus and the CPU. The rate at which data is transferred between the memory and CPU is known as the front side bus. However, the Athlon64?s memory controller is on-die, and as such, has no Northbridge, nor a front side bus. The Athlon64?s have two independent buses; one between the memory and the on-die controller, and another bus that communicates with the other system devices- the HyperTransport bus. The CPU?s clock speed is determined by the HyperTransport speed multiplied by a clock multiplier, which is why it?s often suggested to view the HyperTransport bus as if it were the front side bus. However, this is about where the similarities between the two diverge. Traditionally, the memory speed is derived off of the front side bus, and can be manipulated by FSB/memory ratios. In contrast, in the A64, memory speed is derived off of the CPU speed in CPU/memory ratios. This is why it?s rather inaccurate to say that the memory is ever running ?synchronously.? The memory is always running asynchronously with respect to the CPU speed, off of which it?s derived. How fast it?s running with respect to the HyperTransport bus does not matter at all. There is no latency hit in running the memory slower than the HyperTransport bus. The HyperTransport bus? effective speed is determined by an LDT(Lighting data transport) multiplier. While the front side bus could?ve been traditionally double or quad-pumped, the HyperTransport?s effective data rate can be anywhere from 1x to 5x it?s speed on the CPU.
From: Intro to A64 Architecture