A64 MicroATX PCI-E DDR400 - ????

[Noid]

My DFI Infinity RS482 won't let me into BIOS anymore.

It's dead. I'm not sure what happened. No overclocking.
I did notice that my Ati PCI-E core temp jumped over 100F before the OS corrupted.
I was able to get a couple of clean boots, so I flashed to a newer BIOS.

Was running OK. But, It would not reboot after shutdown.
Then it did reboot, so I re-imaged the corrupted OS again.
But, then it froze while re-imaging.

It just sits in the 'Detecting IDE' ... never lets me press 'Del' to reach the BIOS.

So... I went looking for a replacement.

I was surprised that no more MicroATX with DDR400 are available for my A64 chip.
I searched NewEgg and Pricewatch.

Anyone know if there is a MB available for the existing components I have in the DFI?

A64 - 3400
2 x 1GB PC3200 / DDR400
ATi PCI-E 2600 XT
2 x SATA II HDs

Must have integrated LAN and Sound.

 

[Noid]

http://www.pcplanetsystems.com...ory_id=118&item_id=669

I found a replacement here, but do you think I should?

 

[hans007]

well they arent in production anymore as socket 939 has been long dead. $110 is absurd. you can almost buy new ram, a new am2 cpu and motherboard for less.


Your best best is ebay or something like that.


You could go with this ECS board with same chipset as your DFI'

http://www.pcplanetsystems.com...ry_id=119&item_id=2270

save yourself $35.

 

[Noid]

Wouldn't I have problems with my existing OS switching MBs?

I wanted to do a image restore, so I would avoid installing a new OS.

I'd save myself about 6 hours of going thru the MS upgrades and patches.
(W2K - Not to mention installing software again)

35 dollars would be worth the time and headache I think.

 

[Binky]

I've successfully changed motherboards several times without reinstalling windows. It's very possible, just not guaranteed.

Check virtual larry's post on 6/12/09. Ignore the rest of this thread, unless you want to try the sysprep method.
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2275658&enterthread=y

I would not pay $110 for a S939 motherboard...

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: Noid
Wouldn't I have problems with my existing OS switching MBs?

Here is cheap replacement with 90-day refurb warranty that received good marks from OCWorkbench: ASRock 939S56-M with SIS 756+965L chipset - $30.00 free shipping

ASRock Product Specs and Downloads

Since you were already having problems, possibly resulting in OS corruption, it would be best to just do an in-place upgrade (a.k.a. repair install):

How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP

If you have IE 7 or IE 8 installed, you may need to remove it from Recovery Console before the reinstalling the OS:

How to perform a repair installation of Windows XP if a later version of Internet Explorer is installed

 

[hans007]

if they have the same chipset you should be fine just restoring the image.

it might take a lot more effort if the chipsets are completely different brands in my experience, but basically you would have to do what those guides tcsenter linked to say to do.

 

[Noid]

Thanks everyone.

The link I provided was a bad seller. Not sure what the problem was, but they did cancel my order on request.

So, I will look at your links later today.

Thanks again!

 

[Noid]

Seems I'm out of luck. I found nothing on Google or Froogle.

So, I need some help finding a home for these components on MICRO ATX motherboard.

A64 - 3400 - Venice
ATi PCI-E 2600 XT
2 x SATA II HDs

Windows 2000 SP4

Must have integrated LAN and Sound.

I will put my DDR400 into my NF7-S.

So I need a MICRO ATX motherboard with some RAM. Combo deals?
I have been out of the loop here, and not familiar with new DDR2 / 3 and the chipsets available on motherboards.

I wish to spend no more than $150 to get me up and running.

I also have a problem... I wish to get my bookmarks off of my old HD before I wipe it out with a new OS.
I have a SATA to IDE converter for my NF7-S.
If I hook up the HD from my dead PC as a secondary drive ... can I get the bookmarks from Firefox 3.0 ?
(where do I find them)

BTW I'm not going to buy a new OS, unless it's a nice combo deal.

 

[tcsenter]

You can't use that CPU in newer AM2/AM3 motherboard sockets. So you'll need a new CPU as well.

Additionally, finding W2K drivers for newer chipsets/motherboards may be a problem, unless you can manually install the XP drivers (assuming they work).

I already found you a solution:

ASRock 939S56-M with SIS 756+965L chipset - $30.00 free shipping (90-day warranty)

ASRock Product Specs and Downloads

 

[Noid]

My SATA to IDE converter is for SATA I drives I think.

I hooked up my SATA II HD with the converter to the IDE drive on the DFI and no recognition.

Is anyone familiar with the SATA to IDE adapter supplied in the NF7-S ?
Maybe I'm not connecting it correctly?

 

[Noid]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
You can't use that CPU in newer AM2/AM3 motherboard sockets. So you'll need a new CPU as well.

Additionally, finding W2K drivers for newer chipsets/motherboards may be a problem, unless you can manually install the XP drivers (assuming they work).

I already found you a solution:

ASRock 939S56-M with SIS 756+965L chipset - $30.00 free shipping (90-day warranty)

ASRock Product Specs and Downloads

The chipset didn't match, that's why I ignored it. (Sorry)

If I do this ..

1. I need to boot 'safe mode' and delete the the ATi, Realtech sound, and the Ethernet drivers? (Did I list them all?)

2. Then use the the new MB driver CD?

This seems to be a cheap way to recover what I need off the HDs.
And, buy me some time to look at the new stuff.

 

[Noid]

Originally posted by: Noid
My SATA to IDE converter is for SATA I drives I think.

I hooked up my SATA II HD with the converter to the IDE drive on the DFI and no recognition.

Is anyone familiar with the SATA to IDE adapter supplied in the NF7-S ?
Maybe I'm not connecting it correctly?

I see NewEgg has a adapter for USB now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16812232002

Maybe I should get this just for piece of mind ....

 

[Noid]

tcsenter --- That store is excellent.

I even found a USB adapter there also -- http://3btech.net/deideorsausb.html ... cheap!
The adapter works great, and faster than I thought it would be to transfer data.

I received the parts in 3 days.

I already had the PC up and running in 3 hours, but I messed it up deleting duplicate hidden devices.
So I'm re-imaging ATM.

The MB was slightly smaller, but no biggie.
I had to move a pin on my front case connector for the PS LED.

A very painless restoration so far.

I haven't seen if the games still work but, that not as important as getting the valuables off the HDs.

And, as Murphy's Law dictates,,, I lost a IDE 60g backup drive on my NF7-S last night.

Seems the OEM's have the failure rates in sync for me this month.
(I bought all this stuff 3 years ago at the same time)

 

[tcsenter]

SIS Integrated LAN driver

SIS SATA RAID Driver (possibly not required unless you are using RAID)

Realtek AC97 Audio Driver

 

[Noid]

lol .. how did you know I would need the Realtek driver?

Yea... it wasn't on the CD.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that there was no manual.
Lucky, I have more than one PC.
(So, I could verify the front Panel pinout after I downloaded the manual.)

Thanks again. You are extremely helpful.

 

[Noid]

I just finished re-installing W2K. My system is responding better than the last MB now. I'm happy.... But,

Another OEM has made to my Sh*t list. Kodak no long supplies ANY software for W2000. They still supply the installers, but they dont 'connect'. I receive a error code, and visit the website, which told me my firewall was the problem. (My firewall was OFF) So, I logged into their 'support chat'. She told me that they have no software support for w2k. And that my OS was 'out of date', and that they only provide 'new technology'. Well, my camera still functions and my OS is perfectly fine. Not only that its faster than ever. I saved my whole discussion with this 'tech' support person and I'm thinking of filing a complaint. I told her that the installers should be 'self contained software' to avoid this situation with their customers.

After, some time I asked her this ... I have the software running on 2 other computers, and asked her how I could migrate it to my rebuilt OS. I didn't get a response for 2 minutes. Finally, she repeated the same canned response a before. So, I told her "I'm telling everyone I know never to buy Kodak'. She replies "That is your choice."

I only wanted the USB service to move the photos from my camera to computer. So, I whipped out my 1gb USB stick and began moving files from my other computer. I narrowed down the service files and the locations, and the .inf file needed to install it. I deleted all the other crap not needed.

If anyone needs the files and service for w2k for Kodak, drop me a PM. The .inf file has a big list of camera supported, so I'm sure many more Kodak users will need this info.

I will be making a thread for my w2k solutions. MS has become our enemy. Doesn't Bill have enough money? Linux isn't a solution either. And, I don;t see why I should buy a another WINNT based system just to have them discontinue support for it also.

Where is the 64 bit software that the OEMS are supposed to be coding for? I've been waiting and watching for may years now, and I still see lack of support of the new platform. Why should I buy a new OS that has just as many problems (or more) than what w2k had?

Is MS the evil empire?

(Ok ... I'm done ranting)

 

[tcsenter]

Which camera model? Most Windows XP driver binaries and INFs that have been built using/against the WDK/WDM driver kits should be compatible with W2K. The installer may balk at W2K but the driver files can be extracted in most cases.

A better question is why you are still using W2K? XP is little more than W2K R2.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Noid
Another OEM has made to my Sh*t list. Kodak no long supplies ANY software for W2000.

It's a difficult juggling act for companies. On the one hand, to generate good will companies need to provide some amount of after sales support for a time. On the other hand, this doesn't mean your great grandkids should expect support for your W2000 eighty years from now on Windows 2085. Who's to say enough is enough?

 

[Noid]

My point was, that the installers should be self contained. Kodaks installers retrieve the files by internet. It would reduce the bandwidth used also, because I know I'm not the only one who saves them for a new install.
Even ATi archives their installers. Only there is a disclaimer attached. Use 'as is' ... "no support" . That's Ok with me.

Why do I still use w2k? Because it works! No bugs.

I will buy a new OS when I can't get hardware that has w2k support. Over the years I have changed in my computing needs. I no longer need the fastest PC for games. I think you guys would be surprised how 'snappy' my w2k systems are anyway. I can encode video (even Divx), and play my old games, MS word And Excel. Watch DVDs. What am I missing out on? Tell me? What does XP have that W2k can't do?

My recent MB problem is the begining of the end thou ... I realize that the working hardware I have is obsolete. Although, it all works well together, It seems that my high performance memory, and the CPUs will not have support in mATX anymore. My lanbox will probably be shelved when it dies next time.

This would be the only factor that would force my migration to a new OS. And then I will pull my 'nifty' lanbox off the self again.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: Noid
What am I missing out on? Tell me? What does XP have that W2k can't do?

Support.

 

[Noid]

I don't have support for mATX. I have 2 other computers functioning well on ATX.

That's not dependent on the OS, it's dependent on hardware obsolescence .

Not everyone has money to throw at a new OS and then have to repurchase all the software to run on it these days, and I'm one of them. I hate to think how much money I would need to restock my software system. It would probably cost more than the hardware itself. My personal situation is not to be discussed here, but if I had the funds to buy a new OS I would.

 

[tcsenter]

There were very few applications designed for W2K that wouldn't be fully compatible with XP.