A64 3200+ vs AMD XP 3200+

[eastley]

After reading alot more stuff on the net I have soon found that a 64 Bit processor will probably not really be in full flight for another 1 and a half years, so is there need to spend the extra cash for one? Or spend alot less for a XP 3200+. Just think in a years time what price 64 Bits will be? I honestly think waiting is the better idea. And as I normally upgrade once a year I think this time next year will be a ideal time to purchase my first 64 bit processor. Whats everyones else's view?

The xp 3200+ is AMD fastest and finest 32 bit processor I think if you were going to buy a AMD processor right now this will be the better bang for your buck.

 

[Nemesis2038]

I think by years end if Intel can get their 64 bit xeon out then Microsoft will release Windows 64. Part of that WINTEL alliance they have going since Intel seems to be able to tell Microsoft to delays windows 64. Interesting that Bill Gates is the pawn of a company that called him a monopoly. August might be a very big month for Chip releases and one will have a good idea if Windows 64 will be gold by then if you can wait. Might save you a few dollars and Might change your mind on 64 bits.

But if you cant wait.

I personally wouldnt go for a 3200 straight up its not much of an overclocker and I think you could stand to save some money by getting a Mobile Athlon XP 2600 and overclock to 3500 levels or P4 2.4C and overclock to 3.3Ghz. AMD or Intel side they are both great. I know my P4 is faster than my Athlon XP 32bit cpu. AMD should just cost a little less but you still wont be dissapointed. Try newegg.com for parts and reviews of the chips they sell and the mobo combo's others are using.

 

[eastley]

One of my friends reckons that the Barton 2800+ is better than the 3200+ 200 fsb. he said it's better value for money.

 

[clarkey01]

3200+ barton aint great, lie i said in my last thread, it should be called 2900+ maybe, go for the a64, its faster.

 

[Avalon]

An A64 3000+ won't cost too much more than an XP 3200+ (Maybe $40 more), but it will definitely outperform it. No need to get the A64 3200+, the extra cache isn't worth the extra chunk of money.

 

[eastley]

All I hear from people about the A64 CPU's bad, they crash (blue screen of death) play up and god knows what else, am i just being sceptic? Maybe we should start a poll on who's had trouble with a A64 and MB?

 

[Mik3y]

dont decide to not get the athlon 64 because its 64 bit. also, who's telling you that a64's are bad and that they crash? well, their wrong. as you probably know, the majority of the people in this forum use athlons and they know far more then whoever's telling you that a64's are bad (since it is true by statistics and experience, no offense). for ur record, athlon 64's are faster and superior then pentium 4's in everything except encoding (until 64 bit os's and drivers come out). the athlon xp 3200+ is about the same as teh a64 2800+ and costs the same. if u were to get anything, the smart choice would be the athlon 64 because performance is still better and it has FAR more potential in everything. unless you are willing to spend less then $180 on a cpu, you should get at least an athlon 64.

 

[Avalon]

The A64 CPUs are far from bad. They are one of the best chips you can buy on the market presently. I've never heard of anyone having any major problems with them, anymore than I've heard of people having problems with P4 CPUs.

 

[eastley]

Well the thing is i have made posts about it previously and no one has really gave me any help what so ever, like i asked what problems people have had and how there fixed it but no answers, and in the motherboard section I posted a thread about the motherboard I was going to get and what ram people are using and if there had trouble with that ram, but yet no answers still. And i know people use that board its a god damn K8T Neo-FIS2R, but no answers. So has anyone had blue screen of deaths or any crashing with a A64 3200+ with a K8T Neo-FIS2R??? and how have they solved them?

 

[Mik3y]

ya, wut i hate about this forum is that when you ask for something specific, all you get is another person's opinion or wut they would do entirely different from what you want. if it helps, think of it this way: if you think the intel p4's are good, then the athlon 64's own them.

also, i asked earlier about when the mobile xp 3000+ will come out so i can upgrade my laptop, all i got was people telling me to get the mobile 2400+'s and overclocking them since their a much better deal. the people who who told me that were dumbasses and were no help at all. i think being specific is the key to being helpful and there are only a few people in this forum who help me when i really need it.

 

[eastley]

Seriously a Mobile xp 3000+?? I wouldn't use what so ever not in a desktop PC. I dont overclock and I dont see why people rip off the market by buying Laptop CPU's for there systems from what I heard u can overclock the MP 2400+ to Athlon xp 3200+ speeds? Why though? Cause its cheaper and people are never happy with stock speeds. So basically what ever is in my budget I get and I dont over clock and never buy MP processors. If i was to get a XP 3200+ I can get a extra 512MB of RAM but that still wont touch a A64 3200+ With only 512 MB of Ram Right?

And no offence to the MP owners It's just my opinion.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article169-page1.html

its not that simple.

but then again, bang for buck you have to go with something like a 2500+ and ecs combo from frys for 69bux

 

[Mik3y]

thing is, i'm gonna get the mobile 3000+ for my LAPTOP! i already HAVE a mobile 2500+ in it, so then again, u guys are all wrong again! funny how peole never read the laptop part, all they read is the mobile part.

 

[eastley]

Sorry dude I was in a rush and I missed the laptop part, but yeah the mobile 3000+ shall be fine, the 3200+ aint much dearer though.

 

[JBT]

An A64 3000+ wastes a AXP 3200+ in just about everything. Don't base your system on 64bit or not but it is a little bit of an incentive I guess... The increased performance alone should show it is a much better buy. You could go with the 3200 A64 too but just be sure you go with the newer newcastle cores that run at 2.2Ghz as they are much faster than there clawhammer bretherands which run close to the A64 3000 performance levels anyways... Really any of the A64's are great CPU's and will offere great performance for the money. I have never heard of of these stability troubles that people are having with these chips unless they are running MSI motherboards or something...

 

[mrSHEiK124]

the Athlon XP 3200+ is pwned by the A64 2800+ in pretty much everything, for boards, i have three recommendations, ASUS K8V SE Deluxe (out of experience, i've built systems for friends using this board), MSI K8N Neo Platinum (why go for the other MSI board, this one uses the nForce3 250GB), or the Gigabyte GA-K8NS Pro. Then again, why buy a Socket 754 board when the 939 boards are readily availible (NewEgg.com has both Abit's and Asus's 939 boards).

 

[Vee]

Originally posted by: eastley
After reading alot more stuff on the net I have soon found that a 64 Bit processor will probably not really be in full flight for another 1 and a half years, so is there need to spend the extra cash for one? Or spend alot less for a XP 3200+. Just think in a years time what price 64 Bits will be? I honestly think waiting is the better idea. And as I normally upgrade once a year I think this time next year will be a ideal time to purchase my first 64 bit processor. Whats everyones else's view?

The xp 3200+ is AMD fastest and finest 32 bit processor I think if you were going to buy a AMD processor right now this will be the better bang for your buck.

Considering that you seem to have a fine rig for socket A already, AthlonXP makes some sense...
However, AMD's fastest and finest "32-bit processors" are the Athlon64s. I'm sure A64 3000+ is faster than the XP 3200+, and maybe even the A64 2800+ is.
The Athlon XPs are fantastic bang/buck up to 2600+, excellent bang/buck up to 2800+. After that it drops off, and 3200+ seem to me to be both a bit expensive and not quite measuring up to its rating.

You'll have to consider this. In your shoes, I would have dropped in like a XP 2800+ (if your mainboard takes it? But I think it does, right?) and save some money, for a future A64.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: eastley
Seriously a Mobile xp 3000+?? I wouldn't use what so ever not in a desktop PC. I dont overclock and I dont see why people rip off the market by buying Laptop CPU's for there systems from what I heard u can overclock the MP 2400+ to Athlon xp 3200+ speeds? Why though? Cause its cheaper and people are never happy with stock speeds. So basically what ever is in my budget I get and I dont over clock and never buy MP processors. If i was to get a XP 3200+ I can get a extra 512MB of RAM but that still wont touch a A64 3200+ With only 512 MB of Ram Right?

And no offence to the MP owners It's just my opinion.

Eastley,

How is it ripping off the market? I think that you must be slow. People are BUYING a product. They arent stealing it. The enthusiasts that go out of their way to get their hands on a chip that overclocks well - in most cases will upgrade sooner than someone who say... buys a dell.

In the last year I have bought two microprocessors, two gigs of ram, one graphics card, three motherboards, one hard drive, one monitor, two cases, one soundcard, two dvd drives, one printer, one diskette drive, and a lot software.

By the way I currently use a 2.4ghz p4 clocked to 3.12ghz @ stock voltage with adata ddr500 @ 1:1.

I fscking dare you to say you have supported the industry more than I have.

Teh end.

EDIT: Oh yeah and usually the athlon mobiles cost a little more than its desktop counterpart.

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: eastley
Sorry dude I was in a rush and I missed the laptop part, but ...

You seem to miss a lot. Almost everyone that has answered your posts has told you the Athlon 64 is the best choice, yet you fail to listen.

You complain that you get no answers when you ask "what problems people have had and how there fixed it", but you never considered that people may not have answered because they had no problems.
Same thing with your other questions, maybe no one has had the problems you keep asking about, or it could be that no one feels the need to repeat the same advice over and over.

If you want opinions/advice then listen to what people have been telling you, if you dont want to listen then quit asking the questions.

 

[eastley]

Ah probably aint supported the industry as much as you, let me see:

2 CPU's
3 M/B
3 Cases
3 PSU's
1 GIG or RAM
2 Floppy Drives
2 CD-RW Burners
1 DVD Rom Drive
1 Sound Card
2 Monitors
2 Printers
4 Video Cards

Theres nothing to special in all that though anyway I found a interesting review:

AMD 64 3400+ vs 3200+ vs 3000+

So the questions is do I save $100 AUS$$$ and get the A64 3000+?

 

[Pathogen03]

i have bought, since the middle of last december,

p3 933mhz
Intel 2.53 533fsb
Mobile 2400+
Mobile 2500+

Mobo for P3
P4PE-X
NF7-S 2.0
NF7-M

2x512 Kingston PC2700
2x256 Kingston PC4000
1x128 PC100
1x256 PC100

80 gig WD 8mb cache
120 gig Seagate 8mb cache
40gb Maxtor 2mb cache

Antec 1030b
Generic Case
Generic Case

2 x CD-RW
1 x CD-ROM
1 x floppy

1 x Geforce4 MX4000
1 x Geforce 4 Ti4200 128mb

2 x cheap piece-of-crap printers

17" flat screen CRT, Dell
17" flat screen CRT, NEC

1 x Antec 420w Truepower
1 x Generic 350w
1 x Enermax 465p 431w


AND I AM A POOR 17 YEAR OLD!

GOD BLESS YOU ANANDTECH!

 

[eastley]

Well who cares anyway, I ain't going to have a competition with you. Have you brought off line? or supported your local retail stores?

 

[clarkey01]

stnicralisk


"I fscking dare you to say you have supported the industry more than I have........."

chill, theres no prizes for who supports what the most, and getting all heating up about it shows a lack of class, lets keep it nice, after all, its only a forum, you aint in Iraq now.

 

[Mik3y]

eastly, the best value for your money on the athlon 64 today is the 3000+. the 3200+ is only about 5% stronger in performance and the 3400+ 10% stronger in performance, so if you're an overclocking, its well worth saving $180 on getting the a64 3000+ and ocing it to 3400+ speeds.

 

[eastley]

I weren't heated up over all this, I'm one of those people who buy things from my local store because it helps them keep alive and If i was to buy something off line it if buggered up then there is the fuss off sending it back and waiting. Believe it or not I am studying the second highest recognised course in information technology, but yet most of the stuff on this forum I dont know. Its funny what they never teach you hey. I never overclock either so over clocking the A64 3000+ ain't going to happen but im going to order my stuff in today so i'll see what I can do hey.

Thanks for all your help guys.