A12-9800 desktop system

[Arachnotronic]

Does anyone know where I can buy a desktop with an AMD A12-9800? I would like one for research purposes. Any help finding one, or where I might be able to find one in the near future would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

If you are in the USA, Costco and Sam's club are the only places I know for right now. I am sure Newegg and Amazon will be getting them in in the next few days. But these are MFS or OEM pre-built's.

 

[Arachnotronic]

There is a Costco nearby, I'll check periodically. Thanks!

 

[waltchan]

With Costco's 90 day return policy on PCs...

Going to stop you right there.

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[Arachnotronic]

Wrongness personified.

I would feel wrong doing that to Costco. I'll either keep it or sell it to some one for a good price

 

[frozentundra123456]

I would feel wrong doing that to Costco. I'll either keep it or sell it to some one for a good price.

Appreciate your sense of honesty. In any case, I believe they also double the factory warranty, but I dont know if that extends to a second user if you sell it to someone. Kind of surprised they are the first to offer this system. They used to have a really nice selection of PCs, but at least in my area, the in store selection is very sparse recently.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

I am hoping the DIY stuff starts showing up soon, I need one of these for a small server box asap!!
Op if you actually get one of these please post pics and benchie's

 

[Abwx]

Better to wait for DIY offerings, MBs should cost the same as FM2+ and should be well equipped since the two top chipsets along with the APU will provide 7-8 USB3 ports among others, besides Bristol Ridge will cost the same than Godavaris according to AT, so a whole build will be cheaper and will have more usefull features than commercial PCs from HP or whoever else, those latter are a good option only if it s for corporate usage.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Better to wait for DIY offerings, MBs should cost the same as FM2+ and should be well equipped since the two top chipsets along with the APU will provide 7-8 USB3 ports among others, besides Bristol Ridge will cost the same than Godavaris according to AT, so a whole build will be cheaper and will have more usefull features than commercial PCs from HP or whoever else, those latter are a good option only if it s for corporate usage.

I would prefer the DIY offerings obviously, but AMD isn't making it easy for me to give them my money

 

[starlightmica]

Wait a few days, Costco's got a $100 price drop on the 510-p127c on Thursday.

 

[Blue_Max]

^^^ If them's wuz Canadian buckeroos and it's the small form factor I think it is, that'd be mighty hard to resist!

 

[geaspiringna]

If you are in the USA, Costco and Sam's club are the only places I know for right now. I am sure Newegg and Amazon will be getting them in in the next few days. But these are MFS or OEM pre-built's.

can you show me link it?

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Nope you have to go in person..

 

[guachi]

Is it just me, or is that HP machine from Costco for $500 a really good deal?

So many cheap machine over the last two decades were crippled. But this one doesn't seem like it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

So many cheap machine over the last two decades were crippled. But this one doesn't seem like it.

No SSD though? No M.2 slot?

 

[Justinbaileyman]

No SSD? you could always add one.. I think this is a killer deal and I would get one Thursday but we are so close to DIY parts it makes me come to my senses and wait it out till they are here.

 

[escrow4]

No SSD? you could always add one.. I think this is a killer deal and I would get one Thursday but we are so close to DIY parts it makes me come to my senses and wait it out till they are here.

No SSD makes any system useless. Its not 2009. You want at least a 256GB boot drive and a fat HDD for storage. Then you have poor quality OEM mobos and PSUs and that case will likely blow across the room if you fart in its general direction.

 

[daxzy]

No SSD is literally the reason why most consumers think a Smartphone/Tablet > PC for usability.

 

[VirtualLarry]

No SSD is literally the reason why most consumers think a Smartphone/Tablet > PC for usability.

Well, it may be a major reason, but I doubt that's the sole reason. For example, Android is designed from the beginning for touch interfaces, whereas Windows 8. 8.1, and finally 10, it was somewhat of an afterthought that was grafted onto a traditional mouse + keyboard interface.

Android scrolls instantly, when I push on it. Windows, well, sometimes it lags, depending on what the rest of the system is doing. Even with a 4.45Ghz dual-core CPU, full-sized 3GB GDDR5 GPU, and a PCI-E M.2 SSD.

What little bloat Android might have, pales in comparison to the bloat that is still hiding in Windows' OSes.

Edit: Maybe I gave the wrong impression. My Windows 10 1607 64-bit doesn't lag all the time, nor even often. Just occasionally.

I was primarily comparing the scrolling, which may come down to software issues with Firefox / Waterfox. Comparing middle-click scrolling in Firefox 64-bit, with finger-swipe scrolling in Android. My personal Android phone is pretty-much glass-smooth, but Firefox can occasionally "jitter" while scrolling, especially if I have 100 tabs open, all with ads.

 

[coercitiv]

Android scrolls instantly, when I push on it. Windows, well, sometimes it lags, depending on what the rest of the system is doing. Even with a 4.45Ghz dual-core CPU, full-sized 3GB GDDR5 GPU, and a PCI-E M.2 SSD.

If your system lags while browsing with the specs above, you are certainly doing something wrong. You should also share your browser preference, as a Firefox user I can tell you it has serious performance issues. (from what I remember you use something based on FF)

Even today people tend to choose systems with HDDs and low amounts of RAM, because they don't know better. Even forum members tend to underestimate the importance of RAM, still recommending the "necessary" amount even though RAM caching is one of the best tricks to ensure fluid performance on both PCs and Android devices. As a fun fact, I have more cached memory on my system than the entire RAM most budget laptops come with.

What little bloat Android might have, pales in comparison to the bloat that is still hiding in Windows' OSes.

Sony budget phone with Android: full of bloatware, users complained of not being able to answer the phone sometimes, the user interface became temporarily unresponsive. Samsung flagship phone had such horrible software implementation that it was barely usable, even though Nexus phone with half the processing power (both CPU and GPU) was sprinting in the same tasks.

Make no mistake, bloated Android devices are in the same "user hell" category as budget Win devices.

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Going back to the OP, while buying that HP system should give a decent insight into the common user experience with AMD products, your little research experiment will lack one aspect, albeit somewhat less important: lack of customization on the OEM software platform will limit your test to stock settings, without overclock/undervolt experience etc.

I for one made sure to have this degree of flexibility when I bought into Kabini, and it did help me understand much better the true potential of the platform, as Kabini came with highly elevated default voltage settings. (IIRC +100mV on stock clocks, and was used with the undervolt for 2 years 24/7)

 

[LTC8K6]

My old laptop with a T8300, 4GB of slow ram, WD Black drive, and Windows 10 doesn't ever seem to lag.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I have a Sandy bridge desktop with a 7200 rpm HDD, and I guarantee you the user experience, especially web browsing, is far better than my smartphone. Web pages load much faster and smoother. Honestly I don't think anyone who thinks a smartphone offers a better user experience than a computer has ever used a well equipped properly functioning mid range or higher PC.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Is it just me, or is that HP machine from Costco for $500 a really good deal?

So many cheap machine over the last two decades were crippled. But this one doesn't seem like it.

Not really, unless you want it primarily for the graphics. One can get an i5 for that price, probably less, and get far superior cpu performance and a decent igpu as well.

 

[daxzy]

Well, it may be a major reason, but I doubt that's the sole reason. For example, Android is designed from the beginning for touch interfaces, whereas Windows 8. 8.1, and finally 10, it was somewhat of an afterthought that was grafted onto a traditional mouse + keyboard interface.

Android scrolls instantly, when I push on it. Windows, well, sometimes it lags, depending on what the rest of the system is doing. Even with a 4.45Ghz dual-core CPU, full-sized 3GB GDDR5 GPU, and a PCI-E M.2 SSD.

What little bloat Android might have, pales in comparison to the bloat that is still hiding in Windows' OSes.

Maybe stock Android, aka the Nexus devices are devoid of bloat. But most consumers have carrier bought Android devices with loads of bloat of them (and most consumers do not root). Even still, I have friends with the Nexus 5X and it's not free from occasional UI lag.

Also, your system shouldn't lag at all. I have theoritically worse laptop CPU's (i5-3320M/i5-6200U) compared to your O/C Haswell Pentium, and I don't get any such lag unless I literally have 100's of FireFox/Edge windows open.

I have a Sandy bridge desktop with a 7200 rpm HDD, and I guarantee you the user experience, especially web browsing, is far better than my smartphone. Web pages load much faster and smoother. Honestly I don't think anyone who thinks a smartphone offers a better user experience than a computer has ever used a well equipped properly functioning mid range or higher PC.

I believe if you have a well defragmented and clean OS, a 7200 rpm HDD works okay. But frankly, most people suck at keeping their PC's clean. Also, the eMMC NAND storage on smartphones are better at random 4K R/W, so it feels snappy. We can argue the browsing experience is inferior due to screen real-estate, but that's a separate issue.

I know from a marketing perspective, ChromeBooks were seen as "faster" and "snappier" than Windows netbooks because one was eMMC based and the other was 5400/7200 rpm disk based. Despite the fact that Windows now ships with eMMC, that bias is still there. At least this is the stigma I get from less tech-savvy friends.

Then they use my $500 Skylake XPS 13 9350 and they're all blown away.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Maybe stock Android, aka the Nexus devices are devoid of bloat. But most consumers have carrier bought Android devices with loads of bloat of them (and most consumers do not root). Even still, I have friends with the Nexus 5X and it's not free from occasional UI lag.

Also, your system shouldn't lag at all. I have theoritically worse laptop CPU's (i5-3320M/i5-6200U) compared to your O/C Haswell Pentium, and I don't get any such lag unless I literally have 100's of FireFox/Edge windows open.



I believe if you have a well defragmented and clean OS, a 7200 rpm HDD works okay. But frankly, most people suck at keeping their PC's clean. Also, the eMMC NAND storage on smartphones are better at random 4K R/W, so it feels snappy. We can argue the browsing experience is inferior due to screen real-estate, but that's a separate issue.

I know from a marketing perspective, ChromeBooks were seen as "faster" and "snappier" than Windows netbooks because one was eMMC based and the other was 5400/7200 rpm disk based. Despite the fact that Windows now ships with eMMC, that bias is still there. At least this is the stigma I get from less tech-savvy friends.

Then they use my $500 Skylake XPS 13 9350 and they're all blown away.

Actually, in regards to browsing, I was referring to how long it takes to load web pages, not the size of the screen.