a10-5800k vs. i3 3220

[quizzelbuck]

I searched for this in the forum, and thought some one must have asked it, but was surprised it didn't turn up easily.

I'm not used to having such simple problems, but here it is. If i were going to put one of these chips in a computer with a Nvidia gtx 280, which would give me the most performance? The a10 was my first choice, but i hear the i3 is better for single thread usage, which implies it might be best for a secondary gaming/media box. Has any one else done this who can tell me how they made their decision? Mind you, these parts are both $130. Thanks for any help.

 

[monstercameron]

in b4 amd hate why not go fx6350? its $139 at newegg and if you go apu only to use dGpu then you are doing it wrong!

 

[NTMBK]

There's not that much in it. As you say the i3 has the lead in single threaded performance, but the A10 beats it in multithreaded workloads. What are you going to do with it? Is it just for gaming?

EDIT: Also, an Athlon II X4 750K or 760K is the same chip as the A10, just with the integrated graphics disabled and a significantly lower price. You should take a look at it.

 

[Leyawiin]

in b4 amd hate why not go fx6350? its $139 at newegg and if you go apu only to use dGpu then you are doing it wrong!

Actually, Tigerdirect has it for $119.99 today. Not sure about shipping costs (if there's a free option or not).

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...332&CatId=7339

 

[quizzelbuck]

It is primarily just for gaming. I will do very little multi-threaded operations with it. The Athlon II X4 750K is an intriguing option, though, also. I will positively not be using crossfire or integrated video, ever.

 

[monstercameron]

the athlonII 750/760 is hamstrung by the lack of l3 cache...an fx4 or fx-6 would be a better option within this price range...

 

[Leyawiin]

The FX-6350 is the better gaming option @ $120. The 750/760K has no L3 cache, which can be useful in certain situations.

 

[AtenRa]

FX6350 all the way.

 

[NTMBK]

But the FX-4 and FX-6 are on an ancient platform, with no new processors coming to it- with the 760K he could get an FM2+ motherboard which is much nicer. (Plus the option to upgrade to future generations of APUs.)

 

[AtenRa]

But the FX-4 and FX-6 are on an ancient platform, with no new processors coming to it- with the 760K he could get an FM2+ motherboard which is much nicer. (Plus the option to upgrade to future generations of APUs.)

The only thing AM3+ lacks is PCI-e 3.
Also, are you sure there are no new CPUs coming to AM3+ ??

 

[NTMBK]

The only thing AM3+ lacks is PCI-e 3.
Also, are you sure there are no new CPUs coming to AM3+ ??

Nothing has been announced, and it's not looking likely. I might as well ask whether any new CPUs are come to LGA1156.

 

[quizzelbuck]

I think NTMBK spoke some wisdom in that second response when he talks about the Athlon II X4 750K on an FM2 socket. When i see an $80 part vs. a $129 part, i do see dollar signs. And while monstercameron has a point about the cache causing a bottleneck, im having trouble justifying an extra $50 for what will be a secondary/media PC. I think i like the $80 quad core in this discussion most.

 

[AtenRa]

Well, i have used the FX6300, Athlon II 750K and A10-5800K. For a discrete GPU the FX6300 @ 4GHz is no contest.

 

[Phynaz]

With a GTX 280 it doesn't matter. You're talking about a GPU from 2008. Any current desktop CPU will push it to its limit.

If you aren't running multi-threaded code (which you won't be with that GPU) then the i3 is a better choice.

 

[sm625]

From the other thread:

I realize A10 isnt on there but it is close to a FX-4300. BTW I jsut saw an i3-3225 on sale for $115. Dont remember where. But yeah for gaming it really doesnt matter because the AMD 6 core is just plainly better. And even moreso if you plan on doing any recording/streaming of your games.

 

[quizzelbuck]

i ended up finding a combo with an a10, actually, for only $20 more than buying a similar set with a 750k in it. Its the best deal i could find at about $160. I am still poking around, so unless i find a sombo significantly cheaper than $130 with an Athlon X4 750K, or some board/chip with an Core i3-4130 that approaches this http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...=Combo.1440417

Then i will probably just go with that, because it has the cache the 750k lacks for only another 20 dollars. You have all helped immensely by the way. I'm still poking about, but Thanks again for the help so far.

 

[daveybrat]

Well for futureproofing, i'd go with this combo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813132045

ASUS A88XM-A FM2+ AMD A88X (Bolton D4) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819113328

AMD Athlon X4 750K Trinity 3.4GHz Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop Processor - Black Edition AD750KWOHJBOX

So with this combo you have with shipping $92 for the motherboard and $80 for the processor. So $172 for the combo is only $12 more than what you found.

The cpu can overclock just as much as the A10 but without integrated graphics that you don't need. Also the FM2+ socket is much better than the FM2 as you'll have an upgrade path for the future.

You can actually upgrade your Trinity cpu to one of the new faster Kaveri (steamroller) cpu's next year if you want more power.

P.S. And the new FM2+ chipset supports PCI-e 3.0 for when you upgrade your video card.

 

[SPBHM]

From the other thread:

I realize A10 isnt on there but it is close to a FX-4300. BTW I jsut saw an i3-3225 on sale for $115. Dont remember where. But yeah for gaming it really doesnt matter because the AMD 6 core is just plainly better. And even moreso if you plan on doing any recording/streaming of your games.

this graphic is not very useful, no 3220, no Trinity/Richland.

remember FM2 CPUs have no l3 cache, but potentially some advantages with the platform, the 4300 have 4MB of l3, and I've seen it performance the same, a little worse or considerably better depending on the game, compared to the 5800k, normally it's faster (like 20%)


here is a better graphic for the same game

i3 3240 (100MHz faster than 3220) is faster than trinity/richland at 4500Mhz (700MHz faster than 5800K without turbo)

for gaming, in my opinion is better go wit the 3220 or a 6300, if you want to save a little money the 750K is fine,

buying the FM2+ board is interesting, because it does open to the possibility of an upgrade... so the cheapest CPU (750K) makes sense, but there is not enough information about Kaveri CPU performance out yet...

 

[quizzelbuck]

Good talk fellas. I ended up going with the 750k and the fm2+ socket. When i am done with this and give it away, it will be more useful if it is still relevant. So, thanks again every one. You all helped shape my purchase. There wasn't a dud idea in the bunch.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Good talk fellas. I ended up going with the 750k and the fm2+ socket. When i am done with this and give it away, it will be more useful if it is still relevant. So, thanks again every one. You all helped shape my purchase. There wasn't a dud idea in the bunch.

Do remember to kick that 750K to at least 4GHz, the stock cooler can handle that just fine.

(especially without the IGP and you get a nice performance boost practically free)