A white nationalist, spouting Tucker Carlson's "white replacement theory" commits mass shooting in black neighborhood in Buffalo NY

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Lost_in_the_HTTP

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Seems really odd that the ball field thing just came up on two different boards I frequent almost simultaneously and both posts were made by known knuckleheads. Could it be the same poster? Or did the knucklehead talking points just get distributed?
 

VW MAN

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I've been hearing some conservatives try and shift the blame for this massacre by blaming what happened at the Waukesha parade
because some asshat ran over several people in a holiday parade in another state that justifies this white supremist to seek out a black neighborhood and murder a bunch of innocent people? That makes zero sense, elaborate please.

As far as I can tell, this guy was programed and radicalized by the right wing media and politicians to do what he did in Buffalo.
 

Muse

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I had to watch Tucker on Fox tonight just to watch the train wreck in action. After a short time I had to stop. The entire charade made me ill, and I can't imagine how the regular Fox viewer puts up with this crap night after night. Not without a barf bag near by.

One thing that the insane have in common with one another, they are insane. Tucker is insane, the shooter living in moms basement is insane, and this little girl was also insane just like Tucker.
Don't have subscription TV, so no Faux News, not that I'd watch them anyway.

However, your description of your experience reminds me of Trump, for whom I have zero tolerance. Guys like Desantis, Cruz, Abbot, Hawley too. And Mitch, and most Republicans, actually. Who's that asshat from CA who wants to be house speaker? Slips my mind, but I hate his manicured guts.
 
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To try and cast blame on political pundits in the case of this shooting is also closely covered in the Greenwald article.
.............................................
"It is virtually impossible to find any ideology on any part of the political spectrum that has not spawned senseless violence and mass murder by adherents. “The suspected killer of Dutch maverick politician Pim Fortuyn had environmentalist propaganda and ammunition at his home,” reported CBS News about the assassin, Volkert van der Graaf. Van der Graaf was a passionate animal rights and environmental activist who admitted “he killed the controversial right-wing leader because he considered him a danger to society.” Van der Graaf was particularly angry about what he believed was Fortuyn's anti-Muslim rhetoric. As a result, “some supporters of Fortuyn had blamed Green party leader Paul Rosenmoeller for "demonizing Fortuyn before he was gunned down in May just before general elections.” In other words, simply because the Green Party leader was highly critical of Fortuyn's ideology, some opportunistic Dutch politicians sought absurdly to blame him for Fortuyn's murder by Van der Graaf. Sound familiar? "
....................................
"To be sure, there have been a large number of murders and other atrocities carried out in U.S. and the West generally in the name of right-wing ideologies, in the name of white supremacy, in the name of white nationalism. The difference, though, is glaring: when murders are carried out in the name of liberal ideology, there is a rational and restrained refusal to blame liberal pundits and politicians who advocate the ideology that animated those killings. Yet when killings are carried out in the name of right-wing ideologies despised by the corporate press and mainstream pundits (or ideologies that they falsely associate with conservatism), they instantly leap to lay blame at the feet of their conservative political opponents who, despite never having advocated or even implied the need for violence, are nonetheless accused of bearing guilt for the violence — often before anything is known about the killers or their motives.
In general, it is widely understood that liberal pundits and politicians are not to blame, at all, when murders are carried out in the name of the causes they support or against the enemies they routinely condemn. That is because, in such cases, we apply the rational framework that someone who does not advocate violence is not responsible for the violent acts of one's followers and fans who kill in the name of that person's ideas."

It even references the USSC ruling on free speech in the Claiborne V. NAACP case.

"
Indeed, this perfectly sensible principle was enshrined by the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark 1982 unanimous free speech ruling in Claiborne v. NAACP. That case arose out of efforts by the State of Mississippi to hold leaders of the local NAACP chapter legally liable for violence carried out by NAACP members on the ground that the leaders’ inflammatory and rage-driven speeches had “incited” and “provoked” their followers to burn white-owned stores and other stores ignoring their boycott to the ground. In ruling in favor of the NAACP, the Court stressed the crucial difference between those who peacefully advocate ideas and ideologies, even if they do so with virulence and anger (such as NAACP leaders), and those who are “inspired” by those speeches to commit violence to advance that cause. “To impose liability without a finding that the NAACP authorized — either actually or apparently — or ratified unlawful conduct would impermissibly burden the rights of political association that are protected by the First Amendment,” ruled the Court.

This principle is not only a jurisprudential or constitutional one. It is also a rational one. Those who express ideas without advocating violence are not and cannot fairly be held responsible for those who decide to pick up arms in the name of those ideas, even if — as in the case of James Hodgkinson — we know for certain that the murderer listened closely to and was influenced by people like Rachel Maddow and Bernie Sanders. In such cases, we understand that it is madness, and deeply unfair, to exploit heinous murders to lay blame for the violence and killings on the doorsteps of our political adversaries."

But when a revolting murder spree is carried out in the name of right-wing ideas (or ideas perceived by the corporate press to be right-wing), everything changes — instantly and completely. In such cases, often before anything is known about the murderer — indeed, literally before the corpses are even removed from the ground where they lie — there is a coordinated effort to declare that anyone who holds any views in common with the murderer has “blood on their hands” and is essentially a co-conspirator in the massacre.

A very vivid and particularly gruesome display of this demented game was on display on Saturday night after a white 18-year-old, Payton Gendron, purposely targeted a part of Buffalo with a substantial black population. He entered a supermarket he knew was frequented largely by black customers and shot everyone he found, killing 10 people, most of them black. A lengthy, 180-page manifesto he left behind was filled with a wide variety of eclectic political views and ideologies.

In that manifesto, Gendron described himself as a "left-wing authoritarian” and “populist” (“On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist”).
.............................................................................

This racist scum refers to himself as a "LEFT WING AUTHORITARIAN". Read the whole article, it's a perfect mirror to this thread.
 

sandorski

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To try and cast blame on political pundits in the case of this shooting is also closely covered in the Greenwald article.
.............................................
"It is virtually impossible to find any ideology on any part of the political spectrum that has not spawned senseless violence and mass murder by adherents. “The suspected killer of Dutch maverick politician Pim Fortuyn had environmentalist propaganda and ammunition at his home,” reported CBS News about the assassin, Volkert van der Graaf. Van der Graaf was a passionate animal rights and environmental activist who admitted “he killed the controversial right-wing leader because he considered him a danger to society.” Van der Graaf was particularly angry about what he believed was Fortuyn's anti-Muslim rhetoric. As a result, “some supporters of Fortuyn had blamed Green party leader Paul Rosenmoeller for "demonizing Fortuyn before he was gunned down in May just before general elections.” In other words, simply because the Green Party leader was highly critical of Fortuyn's ideology, some opportunistic Dutch politicians sought absurdly to blame him for Fortuyn's murder by Van der Graaf. Sound familiar? "
....................................
"To be sure, there have been a large number of murders and other atrocities carried out in U.S. and the West generally in the name of right-wing ideologies, in the name of white supremacy, in the name of white nationalism. The difference, though, is glaring: when murders are carried out in the name of liberal ideology, there is a rational and restrained refusal to blame liberal pundits and politicians who advocate the ideology that animated those killings. Yet when killings are carried out in the name of right-wing ideologies despised by the corporate press and mainstream pundits (or ideologies that they falsely associate with conservatism), they instantly leap to lay blame at the feet of their conservative political opponents who, despite never having advocated or even implied the need for violence, are nonetheless accused of bearing guilt for the violence — often before anything is known about the killers or their motives.
In general, it is widely understood that liberal pundits and politicians are not to blame, at all, when murders are carried out in the name of the causes they support or against the enemies they routinely condemn. That is because, in such cases, we apply the rational framework that someone who does not advocate violence is not responsible for the violent acts of one's followers and fans who kill in the name of that person's ideas."

It even references the USSC ruling on free speech in the Claiborne V. NAACP case.

"
Indeed, this perfectly sensible principle was enshrined by the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark 1982 unanimous free speech ruling in Claiborne v. NAACP. That case arose out of efforts by the State of Mississippi to hold leaders of the local NAACP chapter legally liable for violence carried out by NAACP members on the ground that the leaders’ inflammatory and rage-driven speeches had “incited” and “provoked” their followers to burn white-owned stores and other stores ignoring their boycott to the ground. In ruling in favor of the NAACP, the Court stressed the crucial difference between those who peacefully advocate ideas and ideologies, even if they do so with virulence and anger (such as NAACP leaders), and those who are “inspired” by those speeches to commit violence to advance that cause. “To impose liability without a finding that the NAACP authorized — either actually or apparently — or ratified unlawful conduct would impermissibly burden the rights of political association that are protected by the First Amendment,” ruled the Court.

This principle is not only a jurisprudential or constitutional one. It is also a rational one. Those who express ideas without advocating violence are not and cannot fairly be held responsible for those who decide to pick up arms in the name of those ideas, even if — as in the case of James Hodgkinson — we know for certain that the murderer listened closely to and was influenced by people like Rachel Maddow and Bernie Sanders. In such cases, we understand that it is madness, and deeply unfair, to exploit heinous murders to lay blame for the violence and killings on the doorsteps of our political adversaries."

But when a revolting murder spree is carried out in the name of right-wing ideas (or ideas perceived by the corporate press to be right-wing), everything changes — instantly and completely. In such cases, often before anything is known about the murderer — indeed, literally before the corpses are even removed from the ground where they lie — there is a coordinated effort to declare that anyone who holds any views in common with the murderer has “blood on their hands” and is essentially a co-conspirator in the massacre.

A very vivid and particularly gruesome display of this demented game was on display on Saturday night after a white 18-year-old, Payton Gendron, purposely targeted a part of Buffalo with a substantial black population. He entered a supermarket he knew was frequented largely by black customers and shot everyone he found, killing 10 people, most of them black. A lengthy, 180-page manifesto he left behind was filled with a wide variety of eclectic political views and ideologies.

In that manifesto, Gendron described himself as a "left-wing authoritarian” and “populist” (“On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist”).
.............................................................................

This racist scum refers to himself as a "LEFT WING AUTHORITARIAN". Read the whole article, it's a perfect mirror to this thread.
You are so gullible.
 
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ivwshane

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Look at the traitor trying so hard to ignore the topic at hand because one of his own did something terrible. Deflect! Deflect!
 

HomerJS

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Is the stupid ignored troll attempting to both sides mass shootings???
That exactly what they are doing. Using that to absolve their culpability in spready the very message that inspired his attack. In the Waukesha attack no motive was ever determined
 

himkhan

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To try and cast blame on political pundits in the case of this shooting is also closely covered in the Greenwald article.
.............................................
"It is virtually impossible to find any ideology on any part of the political spectrum that has not spawned senseless violence and mass murder by adherents. “The suspected killer of Dutch maverick politician Pim Fortuyn had environmentalist propaganda and ammunition at his home,” reported CBS News about the assassin, Volkert van der Graaf. Van der Graaf was a passionate animal rights and environmental activist who admitted “he killed the controversial right-wing leader because he considered him a danger to society.” Van der Graaf was particularly angry about what he believed was Fortuyn's anti-Muslim rhetoric. As a result, “some supporters of Fortuyn had blamed Green party leader Paul Rosenmoeller for "demonizing Fortuyn before he was gunned down in May just before general elections.” In other words, simply because the Green Party leader was highly critical of Fortuyn's ideology, some opportunistic Dutch politicians sought absurdly to blame him for Fortuyn's murder by Van der Graaf. Sound familiar? "
....................................
"To be sure, there have been a large number of murders and other atrocities carried out in U.S. and the West generally in the name of right-wing ideologies, in the name of white supremacy, in the name of white nationalism. The difference, though, is glaring: when murders are carried out in the name of liberal ideology, there is a rational and restrained refusal to blame liberal pundits and politicians who advocate the ideology that animated those killings. Yet when killings are carried out in the name of right-wing ideologies despised by the corporate press and mainstream pundits (or ideologies that they falsely associate with conservatism), they instantly leap to lay blame at the feet of their conservative political opponents who, despite never having advocated or even implied the need for violence, are nonetheless accused of bearing guilt for the violence — often before anything is known about the killers or their motives.
In general, it is widely understood that liberal pundits and politicians are not to blame, at all, when murders are carried out in the name of the causes they support or against the enemies they routinely condemn. That is because, in such cases, we apply the rational framework that someone who does not advocate violence is not responsible for the violent acts of one's followers and fans who kill in the name of that person's ideas."

It even references the USSC ruling on free speech in the Claiborne V. NAACP case.

"
Indeed, this perfectly sensible principle was enshrined by the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark 1982 unanimous free speech ruling in Claiborne v. NAACP. That case arose out of efforts by the State of Mississippi to hold leaders of the local NAACP chapter legally liable for violence carried out by NAACP members on the ground that the leaders’ inflammatory and rage-driven speeches had “incited” and “provoked” their followers to burn white-owned stores and other stores ignoring their boycott to the ground. In ruling in favor of the NAACP, the Court stressed the crucial difference between those who peacefully advocate ideas and ideologies, even if they do so with virulence and anger (such as NAACP leaders), and those who are “inspired” by those speeches to commit violence to advance that cause. “To impose liability without a finding that the NAACP authorized — either actually or apparently — or ratified unlawful conduct would impermissibly burden the rights of political association that are protected by the First Amendment,” ruled the Court.

This principle is not only a jurisprudential or constitutional one. It is also a rational one. Those who express ideas without advocating violence are not and cannot fairly be held responsible for those who decide to pick up arms in the name of those ideas, even if — as in the case of James Hodgkinson — we know for certain that the murderer listened closely to and was influenced by people like Rachel Maddow and Bernie Sanders. In such cases, we understand that it is madness, and deeply unfair, to exploit heinous murders to lay blame for the violence and killings on the doorsteps of our political adversaries."

But when a revolting murder spree is carried out in the name of right-wing ideas (or ideas perceived by the corporate press to be right-wing), everything changes — instantly and completely. In such cases, often before anything is known about the murderer — indeed, literally before the corpses are even removed from the ground where they lie — there is a coordinated effort to declare that anyone who holds any views in common with the murderer has “blood on their hands” and is essentially a co-conspirator in the massacre.

A very vivid and particularly gruesome display of this demented game was on display on Saturday night after a white 18-year-old, Payton Gendron, purposely targeted a part of Buffalo with a substantial black population. He entered a supermarket he knew was frequented largely by black customers and shot everyone he found, killing 10 people, most of them black. A lengthy, 180-page manifesto he left behind was filled with a wide variety of eclectic political views and ideologies.

In that manifesto, Gendron described himself as a "left-wing authoritarian” and “populist” (“On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist”).
.............................................................................

This racist scum refers to himself as a "LEFT WING AUTHORITARIAN". Read the whole article, it's a perfect mirror to this thread.
Then proceeds to spout pages and pages and pages for RABID RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS SOME UTTERED DIRECTLY BY TUCKER CARLSON.

He isn't fooling anyone and neither are you. I hope you can bothsides when they knock on your door. These boogeymen you have invented ! ! !

Hey did you know that On January 6, 2021, a mob of 2,000–2,500 supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump attacked the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C.[a][28][29] They sought to overturn his defeat in the 2020 presidential election[30] by disrupting the joint session of Congress assembled to count electoral votes that would formalize President-elect Joe Biden's victory.[3][31] The Capitol Complex was locked down and lawmakers and staff were evacuated as rioters assaulted law enforcement officers, vandalized property, and occupied the building for several hours.[32] Five people died either shortly before, during, or following the event: one was shot by Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, and three died of natural causes.[19][33] Many people were injured, including 138 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by suicide within seven months.[34]

Since we are copying and pasting unrelated stories.
 

fskimospy

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Look at the traitor trying so hard to ignore the topic at hand because one of his own did something terrible. Deflect! Deflect!
'Any ideology has been used as an excuse to kill in the past so I'm not sure why you're singling out Nazism! If someone says Jews are coming to take everything you love away from you and crush you under the bootheel of the mongrel races it's not THEIR fault if people resort to violence!'

This honestly reads like a Glenn Greenwald parody article. His twitter feed is now basically him furiously ranting about how much he hates liberals while everyone makes fun of him.
 

fskimospy

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Then proceeds to spout pages and pages and pages for RABID RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS SOME UTTERED DIRECTLY BY TUCKER CARLSON.

He isn't fooling anyone and neither are you. I hope you can bothsides when they knock on your door. These boogeymen you have invented ! ! !

Hey did you know that On January 6, 2021, a mob of 2,000–2,500 supporters of U.S. President Donald Trump attacked the Capitol Building in Washington, D.C.[a][28][29] They sought to overturn his defeat in the 2020 presidential election[30] by disrupting the joint session of Congress assembled to count electoral votes that would formalize President-elect Joe Biden's victory.[3][31] The Capitol Complex was locked down and lawmakers and staff were evacuated as rioters assaulted law enforcement officers, vandalized property, and occupied the building for several hours.[32] Five people died either shortly before, during, or following the event: one was shot by Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, and three died of natural causes.[19][33] Many people were injured, including 138 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by suicide within seven months.[34]

Since we are copying and pasting unrelated stories.
You can't blame Trump for that violence - he never specifically advocated for it! All he said was that our ~250 year old country was about to be destroyed by a coup! Reasonable people would understand he was just mentioning that as an unfortunate fact that required no action.
 

HomerJS

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This racist scum refers to himself as a "LEFT WING AUTHORITARIAN". Read the whole article, it's a perfect mirror to this thread.
We acknowledged early in this thread he stated that in his plagiarized manifesto and some idiot would use it to claim he wasn't a radical right winger.

And right on queue, you chime in.

Now you want to compare black people protesting for their rights and put it on the same level as this...??
Where “replacement theory” comes from — and why it refuses to go away - Vox
 
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himkhan

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You are so gullible.
Not gullagle. Culpable. We'll move on from his inane cries for attention:

2010 West Memphis police shootings20 May 2010
United States
4 (+2 gunmen)2Support for the sovereign citizen movement
2011 Tucson Shooting8 January 2011 United States615Anti-government beliefs, specifically targeted U.S. Representative Gabby Giffords who was injured.
Spokane bombing attempt17 January 2011 United States00White supremacy
Murder of James Craig Anderson26 June 2011 United States10White supremacy
2011 Norway attacks22 July 2011 Norway77319Islamophobia[6]
2011 Florence shootings13 December 2011 Italy3 (+ 1 gunman)3Racism
Murder of Daniel Zamudio2 March 2012Chile10Homophobia
Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting5 August 2012 United States8 (+ 1 gunman)3White supremacy[7]
Murder of Mohammed Saleem29 April 2013 United Kingdom10Islamophobia, white supremacy
2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting1 November 2013 United States17Hatred for TSA and US Government
2013 Stockholm riots15 December 2013Sweden04Neo-Nazism
Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting13 April 2014 United States30Neo-Nazism
2014 Las Vegas shootings8 June 2014 United States3 (+ 2 gunmen)0Anti-government beliefs[8]
2014 Pennsylvania State Police barracks attack12 September 2014 United States11Attempt to start a revolution
2014 Swedish mosque arson attacks25 December 2014 & 29 December 2014 & 1 January 2015Sweden00Islamophobia
Charleston church shooting17 June 2015 United States91White supremacy[9]
Trollhättan school stabbing22 October 2015 Sweden4 (+ 1 perpetrator)1Racism
Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting27 November 2015 United States39Opposition to abortion
Murder of Jo Cox16 June 2016 United Kingdom11White supremacy[10]
2016 Minneapolis Shooting29 June 2016 United States02Islamophobia
2016 Munich Shooting22 July 2016 Germany10 (+ 1 gunman)36Xenophobia
Comet Ping Pong shooting4 December 2016 United States00Support for Pizzagate conspiracy theory
Quebec City mosque shooting29 January 2017 Canada619Islamophobia
2017 Olathe, Kansas shooting22 February 2017 United States12Anti-Iranian sentiment
Murder of Timothy Caughman20 March 2017 United States10White supremacy
2017 Portland train attack26 May 2017United States23White supremacy and Islamophobia
2017 Finsbury Park attack19 June 2017 United Kingdom110Islamophobia
Bloomington Mosque bombing5 August 2017 United States00Islamophobia
Assault of DeAndre Harris12 August 2017 United States01Neo-Nazism
Charlottesville car attack12 August 2017United States128Neo-Nazism[11]
Murder of Blaze Bernstein10 January 2018 United States10Neo-Nazism
Macerata shooting3 February 2018 Italy06Racism
Murder of Mireillie Knoll23 March 2018 France10Antisemitism
October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts22 October 2018 United States00Support for Donald Trump[12]
2018 Jeffersontown shooting24 October 2018 United States20White supremacy
Pittsburgh synagogue shooting27 October 2018 United States116Antisemitism
Christchurch mosque shootings15 March 2019 New Zealand5149Islamophobia, white supremacy
Escondido mosque fire24 March 2019 United States00Islamophobia
Louisiana black church fires26 March 2019 & 2 April 2019 & 4 April 2019 United States00White Supremacy
Poway synagogue shooting27 April 2019United States13Antisemitism
Murder of Walter Lübcke2 June 2019 Germany10Neo-Nazism
2019 Dallas courthouse shooting17 June 2019 United States1 (The gunman)1Support for the alt-right
2019 El Paso shooting3 August 2019 United States2323White supremacy, Hispanophobia.[13]
Bærum mosque shooting10 August 2019 Norway11Islamophobia
Halle synagogue shooting9 October 2019Germany22Antisemitism
Bayonne mosque shooting28 October 2019 France02Islamophobia
2019 Reñaca shooting10 November 2019 Chile01Opposition to the 2019 Chilean protests
2019 South Korean Capitol attack16 December 2019 South Korea00Hatred for South Korean government
Monsey Hanukkah stabbing28 December 2019 United States14Antisemitism

The 2010's. A decade marred by rabid right wing attacks across the globe. Right wing authoritarians and supremacists, like the Trump Supporter Clan, are the most dangerous terrorists walking the planet. Not surprising the amounts of attacks are WAY up during Trump and down during Obama. These terrorists, their churches, their meeting places must be monitored 24/7
 

HomerJS

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Not gullagle. Culpable. We'll move on from his inane cries for attention:

2010 West Memphis police shootings20 May 2010
United States
4 (+2 gunmen)2Support for the sovereign citizen movement
2011 Tucson Shooting8 January 2011United States615Anti-government beliefs, specifically targeted U.S. Representative Gabby Giffords who was injured.
Spokane bombing attempt17 January 2011United States00White supremacy
Murder of James Craig Anderson26 June 2011United States10White supremacy
2011 Norway attacks22 July 2011Norway77319Islamophobia[6]
2011 Florence shootings13 December 2011Italy3 (+ 1 gunman)3Racism
Murder of Daniel Zamudio2 March 2012Chile10Homophobia
Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting5 August 2012United States8 (+ 1 gunman)3White supremacy[7]
Murder of Mohammed Saleem29 April 2013United Kingdom10Islamophobia, white supremacy
2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting1 November 2013United States17Hatred for TSA and US Government
2013 Stockholm riots15 December 2013Sweden04Neo-Nazism
Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting13 April 2014United States30Neo-Nazism
2014 Las Vegas shootings8 June 2014United States3 (+ 2 gunmen)0Anti-government beliefs[8]
2014 Pennsylvania State Police barracks attack12 September 2014United States11Attempt to start a revolution
2014 Swedish mosque arson attacks25 December 2014 & 29 December 2014 & 1 January 2015Sweden00Islamophobia
Charleston church shooting17 June 2015United States91White supremacy[9]
Trollhättan school stabbing22 October 2015Sweden4 (+ 1 perpetrator)1Racism
Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting27 November 2015United States39Opposition to abortion
Murder of Jo Cox16 June 2016United Kingdom11White supremacy[10]
2016 Minneapolis Shooting29 June 2016United States02Islamophobia
2016 Munich Shooting22 July 2016Germany10 (+ 1 gunman)36Xenophobia
Comet Ping Pong shooting4 December 2016United States00Support for Pizzagate conspiracy theory
Quebec City mosque shooting29 January 2017Canada619Islamophobia
2017 Olathe, Kansas shooting22 February 2017United States12Anti-Iranian sentiment
Murder of Timothy Caughman20 March 2017United States10White supremacy
2017 Portland train attack26 May 2017United States23White supremacy and Islamophobia
2017 Finsbury Park attack19 June 2017United Kingdom110Islamophobia
Bloomington Mosque bombing5 August 2017United States00Islamophobia
Assault of DeAndre Harris12 August 2017United States01Neo-Nazism
Charlottesville car attack12 August 2017United States128Neo-Nazism[11]
Murder of Blaze Bernstein10 January 2018United States10Neo-Nazism
Macerata shooting3 February 2018Italy06Racism
Murder of Mireillie Knoll23 March 2018France10Antisemitism
October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts22 October 2018United States00Support for Donald Trump[12]
2018 Jeffersontown shooting24 October 2018United States20White supremacy
Pittsburgh synagogue shooting27 October 2018United States116Antisemitism
Christchurch mosque shootings15 March 2019New Zealand5149Islamophobia, white supremacy
Escondido mosque fire24 March 2019United States00Islamophobia
Louisiana black church fires26 March 2019 & 2 April 2019 & 4 April 2019United States00White Supremacy
Poway synagogue shooting27 April 2019United States13Antisemitism
Murder of Walter Lübcke2 June 2019Germany10Neo-Nazism
2019 Dallas courthouse shooting17 June 2019United States1 (The gunman)1Support for the alt-right
2019 El Paso shooting3 August 2019United States2323White supremacy, Hispanophobia.[13]
Bærum mosque shooting10 August 2019Norway11Islamophobia
Halle synagogue shooting9 October 2019Germany22Antisemitism
Bayonne mosque shooting28 October 2019France02Islamophobia
2019 Reñaca shooting10 November 2019Chile01Opposition to the 2019 Chilean protests
2019 South Korean Capitol attack16 December 2019South Korea00Hatred for South Korean government
Monsey Hanukkah stabbing28 December 2019United States14Antisemitism

The 2010's. A decade marred by rabid right wing attacks across the globe. Right wing authoritarians and supremacists, like the Trump Supporter Clan, are the most dangerous terrorists walking the planet. Not surprising the amounts of attacks are WAY up during Trump and down during Obama. These terrorists, their churches, their meeting places must be monitored 24/7
Not enough for Taj. We need more hate mongers from his lovers Carlson and Trump. Too many of us darkies in America for his taste
 
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VW MAN

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To try and cast blame on political pundits in the case of this shooting is also closely covered in the Greenwald article.
.............................................
"It is virtually impossible to find any ideology on any part of the political spectrum that has not spawned senseless violence and mass murder by adherents. “The suspected killer of Dutch maverick politician Pim Fortuyn had environmentalist propaganda and ammunition at his home,” reported CBS News about the assassin, Volkert van der Graaf. Van der Graaf was a passionate animal rights and environmental activist who admitted “he killed the controversial right-wing leader because he considered him a danger to society.” Van der Graaf was particularly angry about what he believed was Fortuyn's anti-Muslim rhetoric. As a result, “some supporters of Fortuyn had blamed Green party leader Paul Rosenmoeller for "demonizing Fortuyn before he was gunned down in May just before general elections.” In other words, simply because the Green Party leader was highly critical of Fortuyn's ideology, some opportunistic Dutch politicians sought absurdly to blame him for Fortuyn's murder by Van der Graaf. Sound familiar? "
....................................
"To be sure, there have been a large number of murders and other atrocities carried out in U.S. and the West generally in the name of right-wing ideologies, in the name of white supremacy, in the name of white nationalism. The difference, though, is glaring: when murders are carried out in the name of liberal ideology, there is a rational and restrained refusal to blame liberal pundits and politicians who advocate the ideology that animated those killings. Yet when killings are carried out in the name of right-wing ideologies despised by the corporate press and mainstream pundits (or ideologies that they falsely associate with conservatism), they instantly leap to lay blame at the feet of their conservative political opponents who, despite never having advocated or even implied the need for violence, are nonetheless accused of bearing guilt for the violence — often before anything is known about the killers or their motives.
In general, it is widely understood that liberal pundits and politicians are not to blame, at all, when murders are carried out in the name of the causes they support or against the enemies they routinely condemn. That is because, in such cases, we apply the rational framework that someone who does not advocate violence is not responsible for the violent acts of one's followers and fans who kill in the name of that person's ideas."

It even references the USSC ruling on free speech in the Claiborne V. NAACP case.

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Indeed, this perfectly sensible principle was enshrined by the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark 1982 unanimous free speech ruling in Claiborne v. NAACP. That case arose out of efforts by the State of Mississippi to hold leaders of the local NAACP chapter legally liable for violence carried out by NAACP members on the ground that the leaders’ inflammatory and rage-driven speeches had “incited” and “provoked” their followers to burn white-owned stores and other stores ignoring their boycott to the ground. In ruling in favor of the NAACP, the Court stressed the crucial difference between those who peacefully advocate ideas and ideologies, even if they do so with virulence and anger (such as NAACP leaders), and those who are “inspired” by those speeches to commit violence to advance that cause. “To impose liability without a finding that the NAACP authorized — either actually or apparently — or ratified unlawful conduct would impermissibly burden the rights of political association that are protected by the First Amendment,” ruled the Court.

This principle is not only a jurisprudential or constitutional one. It is also a rational one. Those who express ideas without advocating violence are not and cannot fairly be held responsible for those who decide to pick up arms in the name of those ideas, even if — as in the case of James Hodgkinson — we know for certain that the murderer listened closely to and was influenced by people like Rachel Maddow and Bernie Sanders. In such cases, we understand that it is madness, and deeply unfair, to exploit heinous murders to lay blame for the violence and killings on the doorsteps of our political adversaries."

But when a revolting murder spree is carried out in the name of right-wing ideas (or ideas perceived by the corporate press to be right-wing), everything changes — instantly and completely. In such cases, often before anything is known about the murderer — indeed, literally before the corpses are even removed from the ground where they lie — there is a coordinated effort to declare that anyone who holds any views in common with the murderer has “blood on their hands” and is essentially a co-conspirator in the massacre.

A very vivid and particularly gruesome display of this demented game was on display on Saturday night after a white 18-year-old, Payton Gendron, purposely targeted a part of Buffalo with a substantial black population. He entered a supermarket he knew was frequented largely by black customers and shot everyone he found, killing 10 people, most of them black. A lengthy, 180-page manifesto he left behind was filled with a wide variety of eclectic political views and ideologies.

In that manifesto, Gendron described himself as a "left-wing authoritarian” and “populist” (“On the political compass I fall in the mild-moderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist”).
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This racist scum refers to himself as a "LEFT WING AUTHORITARIAN". Read the whole article, it's a perfect mirror to this thread.
Anything to defend your kind of people, racists murderers with brains rotted from talking heads representing your preferred news sources and political party. Fuck off bitch-boy;
 

Amol S.

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Looks like Fox did not even learn a single from this incident, where what they say can cause something like this. Fox News has apparently posted an article, where they talk about how an MSNBC host claims that the Republicans are trying to defend the white supremesists by claiming "Free Speach". Apparently, the comment section is filled with Fox supporters claiming false conspiracy theories that the news anchor on MSNBC is a communist or a totalitarian supporter, and does not know anything about the first amendment. The Fox supporters also make false claims that white supremacy statements are backed by the first amendment.

 
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SMOGZINN

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Maybe Fox News should be required to carry the disclaimer:

The story, all names, characters, and incidents portrayed in this production are fictitious. No identification with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, and products is intended or should be inferred.
 
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Lezunto

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HomerJS is right.

Whenever a Right Winger commits a heinous crime, it's usually chalked up to mental illness. And the onus is on the lone individual.

But whenever a Black person commits an act of violence, collective blame on the Black Community is trotted out.

This has been obvious in the writings of GOP-supporting pundits for a couple of decades now.

I'm used to it.

Thank you, President Joe Biden and Dr. Jill Biden.
 

digiram

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Man. I’m sick to the stomach from this. I gotta worry constantly about my elderly parents that went through COVID last year and now I gotta worry about them going to Tops?? Cmon
 
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